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Originally Posted by General_Mujahid yes i know of this hadeeth Very clearly and know how Important it is.
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I assure you I have never intentionally taken a hadith or ayat out of context. I have quoted the entire matn as it appears in the Islamic texts. If you could show me ottherwise, I would appreciate it.
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If you read my posts on the other thread you can see clearly that voting for a Kuffr system is Sinful.
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I assure you, that if there was a vote as to whether we should have a "hufr system" or an Islamic system, we muslims would vote for the Islamic system. We are
NOT voting for a kufr system when wer cast our vote in non-muslim countries. We are voting for
Islamic values to be implemented gradually to replace the "Kufr system". Our duty as Muslims is to spread the light of Islam. We can't accomplish that by hiding in our homes. We need to vote so that we have an Islamic influence in these countries.
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And you seem to forget to mention that. Sure you are voting against labour and eg.. you are voting for Liberal Democrats. You ares til voting for a kuffr Implementation of laws other then that Which Allah (s.w.t) has revealed,
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Please elaborate. I fail to see how voting for Islamic values constitutes voting against what Allah swt has revealed.
As a matter of fact, I have supported my position with what Allah swt has revealed, while it is interesting to note that the opponenets of voting have not supported their side with any islamic evidence.
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so the method you have blatently taken this hadeteh out fo context.
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Again, I ask you to demonstrate to me what remains of the hadeeth that I have left out.
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Let me give an example of what you are saying here:
Imagine i am an undercover and need to infiltrate a gang. I need to Enjoin the Good and forbid the evil meaning i need to stop this gang from comitting sins ( drugs ect...) and arrest them. Does that mean, to achieve this, you are allowed to take drugs yourself?
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The analogy is flawed in itself because of a number of reasons:
-Muslims were sent by the Prophet Muhammad saws to live oin non-muslim lands, hence it is permissable to live in a non-muslim country. Meanwhile, It is not permissable to join a gang.
-Intoxicants are prohibited, while voicing Islamic values is an obligation
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What you are forgetting that the method i am USING to forbid the evil is Sinful.
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You would first have to prove that voting is haraam, before we can accept such a notion.
On this issue, Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Saalih Al-Munajjid says:
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It may be the case that the interests of Islam require Muslims to vote so as to ward off the greater evil and to reduce harmful effects, such as where two candidates may be non-Muslims but one of them is less hostile towards Muslims than the other, and Muslims’ votes will have an impact on the outcome of the election. In such cases there is nothing wrong with Muslims casting their votes in favour of the less evil candidate.
In any case, this is the matter of ijtihaad based on the principle of weighing up the pros and cons, what is in the interests of Islam and what is detrimental. With regard to this matter, we have to refer to the people of knowledge who understand this principle. We should put the question to them, explaining in detail the circumstances and laws in the country where the Muslim community is living, the state of the candidates, the importance of the vote, the likely benefits, and so on.
No one should imagine that anyone who says that it is OK to vote is thereby expressing approval or support for kufr. It is done in the interests of the Muslims, not out of love for kufr and its people. The Muslims rejoiced when the Romans defeated the Persians, as did the Muslims in Abyssinia (Ethiopia) when the Negus defeated those who had challenged his authority. This is well known from history. Whoever wants to be on the safe side and abstain from voting is allowed to do so. This response applies only to elections for influential positions. And Allaah knows best.
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Hence, you're condemnation of voting is against the Ijmaa of the scholars.
