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Default Re: Mingling and Mixing of sexes - 05-04-2006

Ukht nahid do not deprive us of your salaam firstly

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I disagree with the qiyâs because it is flawed. The arguments are flawed because the theory is unsound.
You can not come out with a statement like that without evidence. So next time i'll be expecting sound prove evidence. After all, you seem to consider the theory unsound i can only presume and conclude that you have something better to offer.


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First, the Qur'ân says that we are not to make harâm that which is not harâm, yet what is being said?
It is ironic that people will use the Qur'an to misinterpret and use certain verses to aid their view point. Isn't the world becoming so sad....


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Second, why are there ahadith saying a woman should not flaunt herself in public if she isn't allowed around men? There's a flaw in thinking there, I think.
The important factor in your statement is the part i highlighted. I think that brussel sprouts should be demolished from the face of this earth. That is my opinion, it has no basis apart from the fact that i do not like that vegetable. Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) is not going to deprive all human kind from eating sprouts just because i have distaste for it. It is merely my opinion, baseless just like what you have stated.



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Third, a large percentage of human beings are not of one sex or another - one in 1000 is visibly intersexed at birth, and even more are intersexed without immediate visible sign. How can we separate the sexes when they are not even clearly demarkated in real life (i.e. outside of a Jurist's head)? Do we just ignore all those people who are born differently?
Hermaphodites, klinfelter's syndrome etc Although people like these exist they choose one sex over the other. I’m not going to dish out the A-Z on the subject but we are not talking about the case of people who suffer from such diseases. That is another issue which is of little relevance to the main topic.





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And what about people whose gender does not match their bodies?

See above comment

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Muslim societies have accepted, for example, women working and living as men because of circumstance in the Balkans.
And point being? Just because society excepts it does not make it right, i'm sure even you can see the flaws in your own conclusion.


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Is a woman flaunting herself if she has to go to work with an entire crowd of men without a mahram - there being no mahram for her? The answer has been no, because a working woman is treated like any other person in her position, not like a sex object, by her Muslim (and non-Muslim, where appropriate) coworkers. This dates back to ancient times, and the punishment for illicit sex is very severe and studiously observed - no such person gets pregnant.
You seem to juxtapose two extremes of female characteristics by the terminologies you use. If one flaunts it implies to beautify and to show off. However, there are women who dress modestly and work. Perhaps you have missed the point or perhaps you have no desire to see what is being discussed here but to go into a rant about what you perceive to be a mistreatment on behalf of women. Eventhough i understand what you may be trying to get across i think you have missed the message the article was supposed to give.

Intermingling between sexes is not allowed without a purpose. It is not saying that for a male and female who are non-mahram to speak to one another is forbidden. All that is being said is that one should not engage in idle chit chat with the opposite sex.

Let us not argue with the creator here, the fact of the matter still is that our lord knows what is best for us. No time nor circumstances is going to change these laws.

It is not for you or anyone here including myself to come to any conclusion without ilm (knowledge).




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My thoughts on how medieval jurists' rulings break down when you leave their coddled little mental world.
Right....

Please stay on topic in future references.
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