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I did not ‘sledge’ the sister; I have nothing personal against the sister. This is not a humiliation quarters and that was not the intention of my post.
Nahid
Before I proceed with the post I would like to apologise, if my previous post sounded harsh in any form or shape then do forgive me sister. I did not mean to wrong you with my words and may Allah (subhana wa ta’ala) forgive me.
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I am not an Arabic speaker, so I say "Peace". I could say, "Peace be upon you and the mercy of God and blessing!" but it takes a long time to type. There is no disrespect here.
I must admit, I have never had anyone criticise me for saying "Peace!" online before rather than typing in a pre-written Arabic phrase.
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Peace and blessings be upon you too.
As I’m aware of your preference now, I shall try my utmost best in the future to address you with the English translation of the salaam, sorry on the misunderstanding.
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As for ad hominem attacks, I have not made any. I am not showing disrespect by disagreeing. I also did not say scholars claimed to be infallible, but they are often treated as such by modern Muslims.
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You’re quite right, I did not accuse you of such thing, rather if you look at my previous post I said that
others resulted in ad hominem attack.
I will not disagree with you that some Muslims do make out scholars to be infallible but the errors of Muslims should not surprise us. We are all humans, and certainly not immune to sinning.
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I criticised the argument because I disagreed that its foundation was solid. I cited several points that seemed to me to contradict what was written. That essay explicitly draws conclusions from evidence, and I do not agree with the train of thinking. Derail the train and the conclusions are not correct.
As for the bit about my opinions, am I not allowed to criticise what I see as a problem without giving a long and dedicated fatwa to replace it? I can see a problem even if I cannot provide all the answers I raise. This is why this is a forum - so we can talk about things.
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It is fine to disagree with something but it is better that you have evidence to support your claim. Although I agree with most of the article, I do not agree with the use of the verse from Ahzab where it tells women to speak from behind a screen because that verse speaks about umm-al-mu’minoon only and thus it has placed out of context. We are all entitled to critise but it has to have some element of evidence behind it.
Yes this is a forum, a discussion board but people still want evidence, human nature.
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And excuse me, but your statementis a thinly-veiled "sit down and shut up". I am allowed to comment on Islam as much as every other person on this forum; just because there is a chorus that I don't always fit into doesn't make me wrong, only different.
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There was not a subtle double standard behind my statement; it is for the benefit of both of us. I would not challenge you in something I did not know and thus it is stupid of us to challenge scholars when we do not acquire the same level of ilm. I did not mean for my words to come across as being harsh.
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I move from my experiences as a Muslim woman. I have already said I read a wide variety of texts, and that I have found that certain scholars - no matter that they are a minority - speak to my heart and head. I have experienced sexism in mosques. I have seen un-Islamic cultural traditions supported by weak arguments. I have seen dissent crushed, people kicked out of mosques. These things have affected me and have made me seek out the truth of matters. Does my faith create a network of oppression?
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I have seen many horrendous acts committed by muslims who try and push their manners as being Islamic. If I took Islam by the example set by the Muslims I had come across, I’d have run from Islam quicker than bolt of lightning but alhamdulillah, I know that we should not follow Islam by the example of people.
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If women wish to wear the veil, they should. I am not arguing that anyone should change their personal behaviours. I am, however, going to express my opinions when I see faulty reasonings or problematic rationalisations.
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No harm in that, strong characteristics to have but those opinions need evidence especially when you’re justifying your opinions about seeing something as being a faulty conclusion. Surely you can see where I am coming from.
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And here's my thought: the Qur'ân demands modesty and that we "lower our eyes". Let me put it in other terms: imagine we demanded our hands be wrapped in duct tape so that we don't accidentally do something wrong with them because the Qur'ân says not to do various bad things. By the same token, I do not agree that the idea of lowering the eyes and modesty means men and women cannot mix.
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Islam is based on the Qur’an and Sunnah, it is fine for men and women to interact but on the basis that it is necessary, Going out for a moment of relaxation after work does pass as being necessary. This is to ensure that no inappropriate feelings are built and so that a haram relationship does not occur. Of course everything starts of being simple but whispering of evil thoughts never quite leave our sub conscience and when they do surface our conscience it is possible that we act upon it. Better to be save than sorry on the matter. There are certain things as humans we may not agree with but our creator knows us better than us.
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Part of this is because I ask about how the community constructs the idea of male and female.
Okay: let's take a step back again. Imagine you are part of the community of people who are intersexed, transgendered or the like. Now tell me - which bathroom do you use?
This is not a joke. This is a huge problem for people, and not an insignificant number of them. The whole world is not just BOYS and GIRLS. If you are lucky enough to be born without this problem, then you are fine. But many people are not. If you can't even use a bathroom safely - because you will be assaulted by police, angry boyfriends, or the men in the bathroom - how can you know who you are supposed to be avoiding?
Maybe that's too much to handle. I challenge everyone to try to understand, though. I mean, if al-Azhar scholars and the Ayatollah Khomeini support transgendered persons in fatawâ, there must be some humanity in them, right?
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We are not discussing the case of people who suffer from transgender, that issue is different and its ruling is different. I don’t know a great deal on this but I’ll try and find something. I’ll PM you it so that the topic does not divert from the main topic.
True, nothing is ever black and white.
Peace