Unfair, unfair.

We are discussing rape here. My position is that a victim is not responsible for the actions of a rapist, and that a rapist will pick a victim based on different factors - and that veiling doesn't help. How many nuns are raped? How many muhajjabat and munaqqabat are raped?

I respect the rights of others to veil, but they don't do so to prevent rape, because rape is about power. Modesty - whatever the choice - isn't about rape, it's about appropriate interactions between human beings.

A rapist is not concerned with modesty. A modest woman isn't safer - and don't try the old "naked woman" red herring, because rapists are rapists. Why would someone rape a naked woman? That's not the issue for Muslims, it's about their lowering the eyes and not thinking about adultery.

I've never met anyone who was like, "she was so hot, i'd rape her!" It just doesn't play into normal sexual situations.

So my opinions on veiling are irrelevant for this conversation. (Besides which, I still believe in modesty.)