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Default Re: What is the belief of the Australian Aborigines? - 09-24-2006

Alaikumassalam and Ramadan Kareem Sister Silver Pearl

I am here now only going to answer the questions you asked and will find my way into providing any other commentary upon your comments as later time avails. Thankyou by the way for being open in your comments. I am sure that many Muslims are very wary of Australian Aboriginal belief structures and it is best for open comparison and discussions so we are all enabled to clarify what is shared and what is not fluid with modern Islamic education from within Tradtional Aboriginal teaching.

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and Ramadan Kareem sister!

I do not mean to criticise the aboriginal culture and that is not my intention, if my words have come across as being harsh or unnecessary i ask you to forgive me. I did not say that shaytaan has assaulted your culture, however, i merely presented Islam's stand on some of the cultural matters you raised.
You might here be able to realise that I am in a terrible temper in general about some of the wrongful interpretations of Aboriginal culture that all Aboriginal Australians have had to tolerate. The problem is from shaytan whom have attempted to portray our culture as though supportive of their method, and have well forced us into often not being able to portray ourselves any differently to their want.




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I do not mean to condemn anything and if it came across that way it was certainly not my intention. Like i said, i am simply addressing the issues you realised and commenting it in the light of the Quran and sunnah.
Thankyou for your ample considerations in this.


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The example has not made the matter any clearer to me, again it could be my lack of comprehension in what you're trying to portray. So that we are on the same level, do you mind if you tell me what your definition of the term 'kafir' is please?
There is a thread recently begun about kafir that I made some contribution to, and that should be best place to look. However my overall knowledge is that kafir are that when we consider a matter that has already been Judged in Allah in a different light so as to seek that we find ourselves innocent after all, then we can only cause ultimately that another person get born without a Soul, whose whole existance becomes then accounted against us whilst in the grave. So to consider such sinful mental practise as causing only animals is a truly preventative measure. Surely, though animals are not Human, they are at least not able to imagine that they are a Human in status.


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I think i understand, you're speaking from a more metaphorical sense am i correct? . . .

. . . A mother may look at a sprout, what would be the interpretation of that? surely it seems a mythical delusion caried on from forefathers. I don't mean to offend, aboriginal culture is something very new to me.
The eludication of the question can only be in a metaphorical sense. I might have seen a frog when I felt a baby quicken inside me, and that would accord a frog self to that child; but clearly I am not about to give birth to a frog. But if I had happened to be looking at a sprout at that very moment; why then some aspect of 'sprout nature' would, in that Metaphorical sense, become a part of what I must inform the father's child of as a part of what the child will enter the family within ownership of. The system is clearly one of accepting giving birth to Human Souls whom have immediately prior to entry into the womb, been existing in a non-Human natural form. There is no teaching of, or belief in re-incarnation, because it is known that such can tempt a person to try to avoid the fire; and so it is taught that we will return to the forms of other parts of nature; but also that through such is the only means of finding ourselves at Heaven.

One of the difficulties I experience is that this is the very aspect of Aboriginal culture which has been most assaulted. There are shaytan among us who were not originally Aboriginal, but whom perceived a means to try to avoid the fire themselves in trying to accord that all their deeds are attributed to other Human beings whose will is to pass through the fire, and so they have tried to manifest as though Aboriginal, and discredited other of us. My apologies that much of my writing is still tinged with a hand to mouth reaction against their false portrayal.

Insha Allah each of us will be accepted individually within the Ummah of Islam in Unity. Since the full story of the belief system of Aboriginal culture is that it establishes a pattern in which shaytan can exist without realising that they are exposing themselves as shaytan; and so will be brought to the fire by others in the community. But thereby many oddities exist and are just sort of let to exist.

True believing Aboriginal men are adept at tricking shaytan into believing that all Aboriginal men are as they are; but within certain rules and laws and a measure, at exactly that portion of manifesting their own selves as though ill which is affordable within good self knowledge. In the traditional way there is always a minor manifestation of exposing any existing wrong; and then fear is acknowledged by being aroused, and at the best balance between flight and fight the fear is redressed. So we are engaged in a constant process of tricking ourselves out of black magic by making overly exaggerated the knowable portions of. I am not certain if that can make any sense to a person whom is not so conditioned.

Here is an example: if a dispute is arrising it tends to be that the disputing parties will wave fists and jump about threateningly in a manner that could be construed as mockery of a dispute, if the dispute were not real. In the case of a real dispute every body watches and engages in the process of observing postures and being like eyes for Allah. Thereby, most often, the disputing parties become so frightened by their postures they expose in warming up to a fight that they are prevented from actually hitting one another. This is a frequent occurance in most Aboriginal communities. In the past, and still now in remote communities that have their own policing(that is if the police are also Traditionally Oriented Aborigines and so will turn a blind eye to various events sanctioned within Traditional cutlure); when there is any larger dispute a ritualised spearing is organised. It may take days and days of discussion to negotiate who will be allowed to through a spear at who; but even the shaytan are committed to resolving the matter since they are wanting to see the bloodshed. But in this way the matter is resolved with the least bloodshed possible. All such disputes tend to follow patterns such that most folk have a certain idea of what happens next. Like in real Jihad. Yet there is that aspect in which we are doubly conditioned to show our hatred overly at the outset so as to expose in what manner any dispute is likely to occur. If a dispute seems inevitable then it is pushed toward actualisation before any other matters are on the table. So we are all duly more afraid than most people of engaging in disputes. Most real Aborigines (rather than shaytan who presume themselves to be, but inclusive of many folk whom fell by accident into the ways of shaytan) are far less inclined to want to fault an other person. It is that there is a racial characteristic of looking first to where one's own fault could be: and this is conditioned by practises of initially all falling down to each others accusing such as that it is well feared that we could ever assume any matter of one another.

Truly I am more afraid of assuming that another person might want to hurt me, than I am of them actually hurting me. That is the reality for most Aborigines; and it is a very difficult process to explain the intricasy of the belief structures that maintain such. Especially while our culture is being assaulted by shaytan who will not believe in this simple fact I have stated.

I think it is connected with a physical condition of heightened fear through awareness of every instance in which the behaviour is not in accord with the mental process. But simultaneous with a willingness to accomodate such fear oddly enough. (the thought process goes: "oh no, there is another thing in my world that I fear but am not able yet to know; best that I fall to it sooner and so learn to fear it with knowledge of it, than let it gradually creep up on me.")

Needless to say it thus becomes more obvious why Australians went through a period of letting ourselves get sunburnt, for example, when bikinis were first a permissable fashion: these days we are all very well educated in the need to avoid to much sunlight and heat; and gradually more fully covering swimwear is coming back into fashion. As though we are all engaged in a constant process of finding out what is likely to hurt, only so as to thereafter avoid it. The only problem being when too many shaytan are around whom suppose that we are not experiencing pain.

But now I have made this post far longer than intended, so I will leave it here.

wasalam
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