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Abu Sayyad · **Re: ~Kashf ash-Shubhaat~ Clearing of Doubts -** 12-14-2006

The Seventh Argument

Now, if he says trying yet another argument, "I do not commit shirk with Allah - it is not possible, and I would never do such a thing! But turning to pious people is not shirk in the first place."

Then ask him, "if you truly believe that Allah has prohibited shirk more severely than He has prohibited illicit intercourse (zina), and you admit that Allah will not forgive it, then what is this grave matter that Allah ahs prohibited, and stated that He will not forgive?"

Then you will see that in reality he will not know what shirk is.

So ask him, "How can you free yourself from shirk, and yet you don't even know what it is? Or how is it possible that Allah has made this prohibited upon you, and has mentioned that He will not forgive it, and yet you do not ask about it, nor know it? Do you presume that Allah prohibited it, yet did not explain it to us?"

So if he says, "Shirk is the worship of idols, and we don't worship idols, " then ask him, "What is the meaning of worshipping these idols? Do you think that the pagan Arabs used to believe that these rocks and stones actually create, and give sustenance, and control the affairs of those who beseech them? If you claim then then the Qur'an itself refutes this idea."

But if he responds, "They used to turn to these planks and stones, and mausoleums built over graves, and other icons, and would call out to them for their needs, and sacrifice to them, in order to come closer to Allah, and so that Allah would divert an evil afflicting them, or grant them their wishes due to their holiness and high status," then respond, "You have spoken the truth... and this is exactly what you people do in front of structures and edifices built on graves!"

So this person has finally admitted that these acts that they themselves do are in fact equivalent to idol worship, and this is the point that is meant to be understood.

Also, as a clarification of your statement, "Shirk is idol-worship,' do you mean to imply that shirk only occurs by this act? Do you presume that relying upon pious saints to answer you needs, and calling out to them dose not come under shirk? If you believe so then the Qur'an clearly refutes this misconception, as Allah mentions the disbelief of those who attach themselves to the angels and direct acts of worship to them, and those who attach themselves to Jesus, or other pious people.

Therefore, in summary he who is honest must admit that whoever does shirk in the worship of Allah by directing an act of worship to pious people has indeed fallen into the exact same type of shirk that is mentioned in the Qur'an, and this is the whole point that we wish to make them understand.

The crux of the matter is that, if he tells you, " I don't commit shirk with Allah," then ask him, "what is the meaning of committing shirk with Allah? Explain to me!"

And if he responds to that by saying, " It is the worshipping of idols," then ask him, "And what does it mean to 'worship' idols? Explain it to me!"

And if he responds by saying, "But I only worship Allah!" then ask him, "And what does it mean to 'worship' Allah? Explain it to me!"

Now, if he explains all of these terms according to the definitions that Allah has clarified in the Qur'an, then that is what is desired. And if he doesn't know the proper definitions, then how can he claim to be free of something while he is ignorant of its meaning? And if he explains these terms incorrectly, contradicting the proper definitions given in the Qur'an, then you must explain to him with clear verses of the Qur'an the precise meaning of shirk. You must prove to them that idol-worship is exactly what they themselves are doing in our times by worshipping these graves, and they criticize you when we try to worship Allah alone! So they cry out, just like their brethren of old did, and say, "Has he indeed made the objects of worship into one object? Verily this is a very strange thing!" [Surah Sad; 5]

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Abu Sayyad Back! Status: Offline Posts: 6,358 Reputation: 35001 Rep Power: 70 Join Date: Mar 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: ~Kashf ash-Shubhaat~ Clearing of Doubts - 12-14-2006 The Seventh Argument Now, if he says trying yet another argument, "I do not commit shirk with Allah - it is not possible, and I would never do such a thing! But turning to pious people is not shirk in the first place." Then ask him, "if you truly believe that Allah has prohibited shirk more severely than He has prohibited illicit intercourse (zina), and you admit that Allah will not forgive it, then what is this grave matter that Allah ahs prohibited, and stated that He will not forgive?" Then you will see that in reality he will not know what shirk is. So ask him, "How can you free yourself from shirk, and yet you don't even know what it is? Or how is it possible that Allah has made this prohibited upon you, and has mentioned that He will not forgive it, and yet you do not ask about it, nor know it? Do you presume that Allah prohibited it, yet did not explain it to us?" So if he says, "Shirk is the worship of idols, and we don't worship idols, " then ask him, "What is the meaning of worshipping these idols? Do you think that the pagan Arabs used to believe that these rocks and stones actually create, and give sustenance, and control the affairs of those who beseech them? If you claim then then the Qur'an itself refutes this idea." But if he responds, "They used to turn to these planks and stones, and mausoleums built over graves, and other icons, and would call out to them for their needs, and sacrifice to them, in order to come closer to Allah, and so that Allah would divert an evil afflicting them, or grant them their wishes due to their holiness and high status," then respond, "You have spoken the truth... and this is exactly what you people do in front of structures and edifices built on graves!" So this person has finally admitted that these acts that they themselves do are in fact equivalent to idol worship, and this is the point that is meant to be understood. Also, as a clarification of your statement, "Shirk is idol-worship,' do you mean to imply that shirk only occurs by this act? Do you presume that relying upon pious saints to answer you needs, and calling out to them dose not come under shirk? If you believe so then the Qur'an clearly refutes this misconception, as Allah mentions the disbelief of those who attach themselves to the angels and direct acts of worship to them, and those who attach themselves to Jesus, or other pious people. Therefore, in summary he who is honest must admit that whoever does shirk in the worship of Allah by directing an act of worship to pious people has indeed fallen into the exact same type of shirk that is mentioned in the Qur'an, and this is the whole point that we wish to make them understand. The crux of the matter is that, if he tells you, " I don't commit shirk with Allah," then ask him, "what is the meaning of committing shirk with Allah? Explain to me!" And if he responds to that by saying, " It is the worshipping of idols," then ask him, "And what does it mean to 'worship' idols? Explain it to me!" And if he responds by saying, "But I only worship Allah!" then ask him, "And what does it mean to 'worship' Allah? Explain it to me!" Now, if he explains all of these terms according to the definitions that Allah has clarified in the Qur'an, then that is what is desired. And if he doesn't know the proper definitions, then how can he claim to be free of something while he is ignorant of its meaning? And if he explains these terms incorrectly, contradicting the proper definitions given in the Qur'an, then you must explain to him with clear verses of the Qur'an the precise meaning of shirk. You must prove to them that idol-worship is exactly what they themselves are doing in our times by worshipping these graves, and they criticize you when we try to worship Allah alone! So they cry out, just like their brethren of old did, and say, "Has he indeed made the objects of worship into one object? Verily this is a very strange thing!" [Surah Sad; 5] __________________ هَلْ جَزَاء الْإِحْسَانِ إِلَّا الْإِحْسَانُ؟ Is there any reward for good other than good? [ar-Rahman: 60] O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path. Oh Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I misguide others, or I am misguided by others, lest I cause others to err or I am caused to err, lest I abuse others or be abused, and lest I behave foolishly or meet with the foolishness of others.

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