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- Qatada - · 04:20 PM

I think i get what sis Mujahida's saying, like saying Ya RasulAllah in of itself isn't shirk (Depending on the intention.)

I think the only big problem that we have in the ummah today is that most of us are ignorant, and listening to the naats which have these Ya Rasulullah themes to them - they have gone extremer and extremer, to the extent that now they actually DO have lyrics which include asking the Messenger of Allah for help and aid.

(If you're in doubt, switch to QTV and see the adverts where they advertise the new naats. There's even a new one called Ya Rasulullah Madad [Oh Messenger of Allah, help me.] And then theres the common ones of asking the Messenger of Allah to call them, invite them to Madinah [with Allah's name being used as a beat in the background.]

There's even a new one by Owais Qadri (i think) with the lyrics of 'if i had the permission, i would want to prostrate to you.' Yeah, i know that if it was permissible, there would be nothing wrong with prostrating to Allah's Messenger (sal Allahu alayhi waSalam) - but it just makes you think of the mindset of these lyrics, why do this if you know its clearly forbidden? Why are you willing to go towards the more controversial areas when the Messenger of Allah has forbidden it already? Won't he love you more if you obey him instead of draw people to something which is forbidden by him?

Now if saying Ya Rasulullah wasn't something controversial in the past, it truly is today - especially if you hear the lyrics of these urdu naats. And i know for sure without a doubt, because lately theres been a huge uprise in this.

Anyway, just to finally explain how the companions understood;

"And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke [tad'u]* not any one along with Allah;

[Qur'an Surah Jinn 72: 18]

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I invoke [ad'u]* only my Lord (Allah Alone), and I associate none as partners along with Him."

Say: "It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path."

[Qur'an Surah Jinn 72: 20-21]

* ad'u - from the root word du'a (meaning to: invoke, to pray to etc.)

And in

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 2, Book 17, Number 123:

Narrated Anas:

Whenever drought threatened them, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab, used to ask Al-Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib to invoke Allah for rain. He used to say, "O Allah! We used to ask our Prophet to invoke You for rain, and You would bless us with rain, and now we ask his uncle to invoke You for rain. O Allah ! Bless us with rain."(1) And so it would rain.

Remember that 'Umar ibn Al Khattaab was one of the greatest companions of the Messenger of Allah, the second best man after the Prophets. Yet even these companions understood that we do not pray to anyone other than Allah. This hadith which is in Sahih Al Bukhari is clear and explicit (unlike many others which may be weak, or atleast the scholars have a difference of opinion on their authenticity), and it shows that now that the Messenger of Allah has passed away, if we want to ask for rain - we can ask a pious person from the ahlel bayt (people who are descendants of the Prophet) who is in this world to ask for rain on our behalf.

And Allah knows best.

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- Qatada - Ummah Under 1 Banner Status: Offline Posts: 10,237 Reputation: 40005 Rep Power: 80 Join Date: May 2005 Location: ...travelling to the hereafter.. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Supplicating: 'O Messenger of Allaah!' - 12-09-2007 I think i get what sis Mujahida's saying, like saying Ya RasulAllah in of itself isn't shirk (Depending on the intention.) I think the only big problem that we have in the ummah today is that most of us are ignorant, and listening to the naats which have these Ya Rasulullah themes to them - they have gone extremer and extremer, to the extent that now they actually DO have lyrics which include asking the Messenger of Allah for help and aid. (If you're in doubt, switch to QTV and see the adverts where they advertise the new naats. There's even a new one called Ya Rasulullah Madad [Oh Messenger of Allah, help me.] And then theres the common ones of asking the Messenger of Allah to call them, invite them to Madinah [with Allah's name being used as a beat in the background.] There's even a new one by Owais Qadri (i think) with the lyrics of 'if i had the permission, i would want to prostrate to you.' Yeah, i know that if it was permissible, there would be nothing wrong with prostrating to Allah's Messenger (sal Allahu alayhi waSalam) - but it just makes you think of the mindset of these lyrics, why do this if you know its clearly forbidden? Why are you willing to go towards the more controversial areas when the Messenger of Allah has forbidden it already? Won't he love you more if you obey him instead of draw people to something which is forbidden by him? Now if saying Ya Rasulullah wasn't something controversial in the past, it truly is today - especially if you hear the lyrics of these urdu naats. And i know for sure without a doubt, because lately theres been a huge uprise in this. Anyway, just to finally explain how the companions understood; "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke [tad'u]* not any one along with Allah; [Qur'an Surah Jinn 72: 18] Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I invoke [ad'u]* only my Lord (Allah Alone), and I associate none as partners along with Him." Say: "It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path." [Qur'an Surah Jinn 72: 20-21] * ad'u - from the root word *du'a* (meaning to: invoke, to pray to etc.) And in Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 2, Book 17, Number 123: Narrated Anas: Whenever drought threatened them, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab, used to ask Al-Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib to invoke Allah for rain. He used to say, "O Allah! We used to ask our Prophet to invoke You for rain, and You would bless us with rain, and now we ask his uncle to invoke You for rain. O Allah ! Bless us with rain."(1) And so it would rain. Remember that 'Umar ibn Al Khattaab was one of the greatest companions of the Messenger of Allah, the second best man after the Prophets. Yet even these companions understood that we do not pray to anyone other than Allah. This hadith which is in Sahih Al Bukhari is clear and explicit (unlike many others which may be weak, or atleast the scholars have a difference of opinion on their authenticity), and it shows that now that the Messenger of Allah has passed away, if we want to ask for rain - we can ask a pious person from the ahlel bayt (people who are descendants of the Prophet) who is in this world to ask for rain on our behalf. And Allah knows best. __________________ iDawah.com Bringing Dawah back..to the future! Last edited by - Qatada -; 12-09-2007 at 04:20 PM.