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Default Re: I think this must be a lie - 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by jamafg View Post
As far as I know Allah SWT say (no one has the right to kill someone, but only if he/she kill one of your).


Can you please provide the verse for that? It is very well known in Islam that self defense is not the only justification for killing because Islamic law has the death sentence for certain crimes such as murder, adultery and, depending on the opinion you follow, apostasy.


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The answer to this question is very simple, Allah SWT says that he's the creator of all universes and he will judge everyone in the day of judgement. Also Allah SWT say that he is the one who make some Christian, Muslim or any other faith. That mean if Allah love someone he will be a Muslim by birth or convert to Islam with the wish of Allah SWT. In the mean time if a Muslim do not practise he/her religion or convert to another faith, then only Allah SWT is the one who has the right to punish him, but none of mankind has the right to kill such a person.
I don't think the answer is that simple. What is your proof for this?

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So I don't really understand why people saying; yes it’s punishable and to kill the one who leave Islam? (He/her is already being punished/killed by Allah SWT, if you really think seriously).
Because there is a lot of evidence that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh commanded that apostates receive the death penalty.

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you are right jamafg - the qur'an is extremely clear on the subject.
however, the hadiths say something different.
Hi snakelegs. Unless you can find me a verse that nicely says that the apostate is not to be killed, then I have to disagree that the Quran makes it clear not to kill apostates.

For example, people will often use the verse that there is no compulsion in religion as proof; but this verse means no compulsion in entering Islam, not leaving Islam.

The hadiths do not say something different- they help us understand what the Quran means. The authentic hadith and Quran never contradict each other; the contradiction only exists in the mind of a person because he or she doesn't understand what is going on.
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