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Originally Posted by Malaikah 
Hi snakelegs. Unless you can find me a verse that nicely says that the apostate is not to be killed, then I have to disagree that the Quran makes it clear not to kill apostates.
For example, people will often use the verse that there is no compulsion in religion as proof; but this verse means no compulsion in entering Islam, not leaving Islam.
The hadiths do not say something different- they help us understand what the Quran means. The authentic hadith and Quran never contradict each other; the contradiction only exists in the mind of a person because he or she doesn't understand what is going on.
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took me a while to scrounge these up - i think there are more also, but here are a few that seem very clear to me. i fail to see how the hadith explain what the qur'an means in these verses.
if you argument goes that the qur'an does not say
not to kill the apostate, i agree. but these verses make it clear that it is god who will do the punishing.
don't you think on something as important as capital punishment for apostasy, god would have ordered in in the qur'an?
of course, it is irrelevant what i think - after all, i don't make the shariah -just wanted to clarify my thinking as this is something that bothers me in islam.
i am just giving pickthall because that is the translation i read most recently:
taken from this site:
http://www.quranicrealm.com/quran.php?q=2
2:217
Pickthal: They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can.
And whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.
3:90
Pickthal: Lo! those who disbelieve after their (profession of) belief, and afterward grow violent in disbelief: their repentance will not be accepted. And such are those who are astray.
4:137
Pickthal: Lo! those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them, nor will He guide them unto a way.
