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Originally Posted by aamirsaab  Are you implying that Keith's admiration for Islam inflluenced his investigations and overall conclusion into embryology? That's a pretty big claim to make, seeing as he is a well respected scientist. Has it not occured to you that his admiration for Islam came from during and after he had reached a conclusion? Though, I shall look for another book that agrees with his statement if it is that neccessary. |
You do that.
I am not claiming anything of the above, as it seems you've quoted from a book that's been published ebfore Moore wrote articles on embriology in the Quran. I'm just saying you should provide more sources.
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Indeed there are bones that develop at later stages. But is it not well-known that the first things to be formed in an embryo are the spine and spinal cord (in addition to the heart and brain) - the muscles that surround those aspects are formed much later. If one thinks logically about it, it is neccessary to have some form of skeleton/framework first then the muscles/cement job come after and encompass the existing bones - where and when neccessary, extra framework and cement is added later on to create the full building (or in this case, the human body). That could be considered simplistic but I think you will agree on the concept.
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Well, the Quran says Allah made the bones and clothed them with muscles, which may or may not imply that the bones are formed before the muscles.
Seeing that the heart, which is a muscle, is formed before the spine, no further debate is necessary, is it?:okay:
And I don't agree with what you said. Muscles and bones can start developing at the same time, even from the same tissue that later differentiates.
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That's a different question than the original one asked. However, I shall look into it and get an answer to this new one. Though I should note that I have only recently researched into embryology, so it may take some time. Unless of course, your question was rhetorical  |
It was rhetorical, but now when I think about it, you can look into it.
the Quran may or may not suggest that Allah clothes the bones with muscles only after they are done, fully formed, which is of course wrong.
On the other hand, if muscles start forming around the tissues that are to become bones, before they officially become bones, the ayat is wrong.
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I think Keith L Moore is going to know more about embryology than all of the participant's in this particular thread. I think Keith holds the greater credency in this argument than any of us  .
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Yes, I agree, but seeing he is an expert in the field, I think the text you've quoted is probably a bolded text in the beginning of a chapter or a very short summary of something, a think boy at the bottom of the page perhaps, the Developing Human is a textbook. What I'm saying is that the part you've quoted could be intentionally simplistic, it could refer to the late developement of muscles rather than their formation etc.
It would be best if you could provide another source.
Does the verse in arabic suggest that the "clothing" of the bones comes after they're formed or at the same time (thumma, wa and all that).