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Default Re: [EMBRYOLOGY] Bones and flesh - 05-08-2008

Several of your ideas need a comment

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Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
No, I don't believe in a god, in fact I strongly doubt such being exists. But due to alck of evidence on either side I am an agnostic..
there is no lack of evidence

the Quran mentions some unseen claims eg;

God,paradise,angels,day of judgment,how the unseen embryo develope, all of the objects in the Universes are swimming in space,The Spherical Shape Of The Earth , mountains work as stabilizers for the earth, Lack of Oxygen in space , the fulfilled prophecy in 30:2-4 etc...

I never verified paradise,angels,day of judgment.......it is still unseen for us
but I verified the other (could be verified in modern times) quranic claims,

in other words if the Quranic words to be trusted in the scientific issues that scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time, so it is fair to trust the whole Quranic packet of the other unseen issues.....

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Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
I'm even less confident about god posting his thoughts in a single language, like arabic for insatnce, and expect everyone to learn it .
who said you have to learn it !!!! ......

you could easily read the translations,and if there is verse that seems to be vague even with translation,you could consult dictionary to look up all its meanings....

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I'm not so sure about god punishing sinners.
that is justice my friend...

He Who will render to every man according to his deeds,the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.......

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I'm quite certain though that a just god does not punish unbelievers though simply for their lack of "proper" belief..
the Question why they lack "proper" belief.?

is it their arrogance,and being stubborn to the proofs of the validity of such proofs ,or they were misinformed,getting a deformed image of the message?


one Quranic verse when I read,comes such question in my mind:

while talking about the christians fate ,day of judgment:

"Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

If Thou punish them, lo! they are Thy slaves, and if Thou forgive them . Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, the Wise.

Allah will say: "[B]This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth[/b]: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires).

the verse doesn't say This is a day on which the truthful muslims will profit from their truth....
it makes it a broad sense of truthfulness......

the truthful will profit from their truth.


those christians, jews ,buddihists ,others etc... who been misinformed,ignorant of the true message of Islam and been just will be judged with just and their lack of "proper" belief which due to misinformation or other causes I mentioned will not make Allah not to treat them with justice....

Last edited by Imam; 05-08-2008 at 05:18 PM..
   
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