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Originally Posted by Eeman  Dear Brother, |
Sister,
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If the Qur'an was not protected then why would Mohammad (saw) be the seal of the prophets and bring down to us the final revelation.
why was the torah replaced by the injeel? then why was the injeel replaced by the Qur'an which i am sure as a muslim brother you would know and believe is the last book and the true divine message and mercy of Allah swt.
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I think you've misunderstood me. I never said that the Qur'an was not protected. I was asking you
HOW it was protected.
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How Allah swt protects the Qur'an only Allah swt knows!!
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This is the core issue that I was trying to get at. Allaah has protected the Qur'an through very simple means.
Allaah has not kept the Qur'an in a fortress or anything of the sort, rather he has preserved the Qur'an in the hearts of MEN. Please read the following verse:
بَلْ هُوَ آيَاتٌ بَيِّنَاتٌ فِي صُدُورِ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ
29:49
Rather, the Qur'an is distinct verses within the breasts of those who have been given knowledge.
This verse kills two birds with one stone. We learn two things from this verse:
- The Qur'an is preserved in the hearts of men; i.e. Memorization.
- Who are these men that preserve the Qur'an? He refers to them in this verse as 'Utul 'Ilm' - i.e. Those people who have been given knowledge.
Now, let me explain to you why these two points are crucial.
Point 1 - The Qur'an is an oral tradition, memorized and passed down via chains of narrations. Such chains are present even today, and I personally know of people that have them all the way back to the Prophet saw. What is the relevance of this with hadeeth? Well it just so happens that the ahadeeth were preserved in this exact same method, via chains of narrations known as
Isnaad. Therefore, with this established, the question should not be: 'Does the Qur'an give authority to the hadeeth?' but rathar 'Are the hadeeth authentically preserved via these chains of narrations as the Qur'an has been preserved?'.
Point 2 - One of the methadologies of the hadeeth rejectors is to attack the scholars that have memorized, saved, and authenticated the ahadeeth by saying "How can we put our trust in men?". However, if one were to read this verse, specifically the underlined portion, Allaah has made it clear that it is the people of knowledge that have preserved the Qur'an in their memories. And this verse is not the only verse where Allaah praises the people of knowledge (i.e. scholars). You can refer to 3:7, and 35:28 (here He explicitly says 'Ulema'). So this again is exactly the same way the ahadeeth are preserved. Therefore, to say that the Qur'an is preserved and the ahadeeth are not, when they both are using the same means of preservation is an absurd and inconsistent claim.
So the conclusion is: the question is not whether ahadeeth are preserved or sanctioned by the Qur'an - it is: 'Are the hadeeth that are classed as
sahih really so?' and to anyone that has studied the hadeeth sciences, the answer is a resounding YES!
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Brother all i know is I read and i read and yet I read again the holy Qur'an
now why i said that the Qur'an is guarded and protected by Allah swt is because He has mentioned it Himself in His book.
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We have no disagreement here
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Now unless your a rashid khalifa follower you would agree but if u believe in his theory of the mathematical miracle of the Qur'an then you would argue with me about how people i.e. scholars have tampered with the holy Qur'an and added their own verses to it.
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Are you aware that the concept of hadeeth rejection was actually started by Rashad Khalifa and is kept alive by his followers known as the Submitters (whose site you copied and pasted from the article about Salah)??!
هَلْ جَزَاء الْإِحْسَانِ إِلَّا الْإِحْسَانُ؟
Is there any reward for good other than good?
[ar-Rahman: 60]
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However, keep in mind that you must instruct the people with kindness and mercy. Don’t take this answer and shove it in their faces. Be kind, gentle and patient." -
Imam Suhaib Webb, advising after giving an answer.
O Allah, Lord of Jibril, Mika'il and Israfil, Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants concerning that wherein they differ. Guide me with regard to that wherein there is dispute concerning the truth by Your leave, for You guide whomsoever You will to the straight path.
Oh Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I misguide others, or I am misguided by others, lest I cause others to err or I am caused to err, lest I abuse others or be abused, and lest I behave foolishly or meet with the foolishness of others.