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Default Re: A rational argument for belief in Allah (swt) - 07-22-2008

Dark Matter is completely irrelevant to any of this, so I will just skip to the points that actually have a point.

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Hence it must have had beginning and anything that ages and have beginning must have been non-existing and hence it was created or Caused into existence
Also there is arrow of time ie it travels in one direction only and is irreversible
So there must have been time when it was zero and as we know matter without time cannot exist and time without matter is meaningless.
This universe had a beginning. We generally call it the Big Bang.

We have no reason to believe that there was simply 'nothing' prior to the Big Bang. Indeed, you do not even believe that there was 'nothing' before the Big Bang because you claim that God existed prior to it and you claim that God created the universe.

So we can all safely rule out there ultimately needing to be a universal origin for everything.

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Other theories have come up and one of it states that universe is cyclic.
In this cyclic model, two parallel orbifold planes or M-branes collide periodically in a higher dimensional space, a big crunch followed immediately by a big bang.
And this cycle is infinite and the current cycle is about 14 billions years old.

The question is if universe is infinite then how can you say current cycle is 14 billion years old since dividing infinity will give you undefined answer.
You have just committed the fallacy of composition. Look it up.

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Einstein ultimately accepted to what he called "the necessity for a beginning" and eventually to "the presence of a superior reasoning power.”.
Albert Einstein was a scientific pantheist. I do not know why you are using him as a recommend concerning evidence for the existence of Allah.

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Since we now know universe had a beginning it must not have existed.
So the question what was there before the beginning is not correct because it implies that the cause of the beginning no longer exist after the beginning.
This makes no coherent sense. This universe having a beginning is not the same as the universe had a beginning. We have excellent reason to believe that there was something prior to the Big Bang.

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Since universe was in a state of non existence there must be something that caused it into existence.

And the obvious answer is God, but saying God is responsible is not enough.[/qote]
I'll correct you: Since this universe was in a state of non-existence - there must have been something that caused it to exist. The intellectual non-answer is not God because we have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that God exists. We only have attempts to file in holes. Asserting that God is the answer is an intellectual dead-end and supports the idea that we should be satisfied with not understanding.

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Just as dark matter even though is undetectable but we do know that it is invisible and it has gravitational influence similarly we must describe the entity that caused the beginning.
To which we have no evidence for. We might as well be describing the invisible pink unicorn. It would have exactly the same impact and effect for humanity.

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We need definition of god because there are dozens of religions claiming dozens of gods so which god is true?

There is only one god which fits the criteria and that is Allah (swt)
You have provided no reason to believe that God exists much less the Islamic rendition.
   
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