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    AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

    Generally i am aware that a person loses their wudu (un/intentionally) touching the opposite gender.

    I wanted to know if i lose wudu if i touch the wife i.e hold hand or something. Cause the thing is i always keep my wudu 24/7, and i dont want to keep losing my wudu

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    I didn't know this actually, when text books state what breaks wudhu, they never mention this. I would imagine touching your husband/wife would not apply though as you are married and it is halaal, you would be doing wudhu all the time or avoiding your spouse otherwise, but that is just me assuming.

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    The only things that will nullify your wudhu are what has already been mentioned bro. Sorry, I can't be more explicit than that.





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    So touching the opposite gender doesn't break the wudhu?

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    ^Not your spouse, as long as it doesnt intentionally/unintentionally lead to what requires ablution/ghusl.





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    (It has been narrated) upon the authority of Aaisha - may Allah be pleased with her - that "The Messenger kissed one of his wives then he went out to prayer and didnt make wudhu" (Abu Daawood, An-Nasaa'ee and others).





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    wear gloves.........im just playing man inshallah all our duas will be answered

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    i think it depends on which madhab you're using...

    If madhab imam shafie... you'll lose your wudu'. But i guess it depends where are you going and why you keep holding your wife's hand...

    Probably you're doing umrah right now




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    Since there is strong daleel and proof from hadith and quran, math-hab opinions are not to be taken. That is actually what all scholars of Sunnah today are trying to get muslims off, which is taqleed (mimicing). Please remember that many opinions in math-habs were made based on hadiths that were later overturned as weak or placed, or made because there was no hadith that were later found to be authenticated.

    Anyway, as for this matter, touching a person from the opposite sex that is not halal for you ruins your ablution and you have to repeat ablution for the prayer. Touching your spouse or children or other people who are mahram or halal to you, does not ruin ablution.

    Other matters that ruin the ablution: Sleeping (even for 5 minutes), losing consciousness, bleeding from the skin (not the gums), any of the excrements or breaking wind, touching things with najasa on it, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Najm View Post
    AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

    Generally i am aware that a person loses their wudu (un/intentionally) touching the opposite gender.

    I wanted to know if i lose wudu if i touch the wife i.e hold hand or something. Cause the thing is i always keep my wudu 24/7, and i dont want to keep losing my wudu

    FiAmaaniAllah
    There is a difference of opinion on this issue but the correct one is that it does not break wudu regardless of whether she is touched with desire or not.


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    ^^^lol did you both (akhee sampharo and abd latiff) realised that you both said both are the correct opinion...which is the oposite ones....huhuhu.

    better post another before one will get confused...




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    AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu


    Quote Originally Posted by Scents of Jannah View Post
    (It has been narrated) upon the authority of Aaisha - may Allah be pleased with her - that "The Messenger kissed one of his wives then he went out to prayer and didnt make wudhu" (Abu Daawood, An-Nasaa'ee and others).
    I can do that? :O


    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullahii View Post
    wear gloves.........im just playing man inshallah all our duas will be answered
    Would gloves really do the trick ?

    Quote Originally Posted by syilla View Post
    i think it depends on which madhab you're using...

    If madhab imam shafie... you'll lose your wudu'. But i guess it depends where are you going and why you keep holding your wife's hand...

    Probably you're doing umrah right now
    But what does imam hanafi say? I dont know why i would hold her hand, i guess she would hold mine So i would lose my wudu i guess, its going to be hard to keep my wudu all the time


    Quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    There is a difference of opinion on this issue but the correct one is that it does not break wudu regardless of whether she is touched with desire or not.
    Now im confused, do i have it or not? And when will i require to do ghusul instead?

    And also akhi Sampharo, what is najasa??

    I keep my wudu all the time, and when i know i broke it, i go and do it again, this will be hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by syilla View Post
    ^^^lol did you both (akhee sampharo and abd latiff) realised that you both said both are the correct opinion...which is the oposite ones....huhuhu.

    better post another before one will get confused...
    Actually no, we both said the same thing. That touching your spouse does not ruin the wudu and it is ok. What I said at first is that touching a foreign woman (non-wife nor mahram) ruins the wudu, which is agreed upon by all scholars.

    Brother Najm, based on the authenticated hadith of Aisha there has become overwhelming consensus that you can touch your wife freely without losing your ablution.


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    When i was in Hajj there would be men bumping into me, brushing past me all the time while doing tawaf, it was completely packed out, and basically every other woman and man must have experienced the same. It would be impossible to get through a tawaf in Hajj time without that happening?

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    ^ About half the scholars actually say that Tawaf does not require wudu to start with, including Abu Haneefa and Ibn Taymeyya and most scholars of Hanbali school. Malik and Shafei and some other Hanbali scholars say it is a condition.

    For touching it needs to be skin on skin. So if you are in tawaf all dressed and only your hands and face are showing, and your hands can be beneath your veil. So you have to literally headbutt a man in his naked back or something to actually make that happen. proximity from behind cloth does not ruin the ablution and is not touching.

    However if for some other reason you do lose your ablution, Maliki and Shafei say you need to stop, go to make wudu again, and come back to the same spot and continue. Some Maliki scholars say you have to repeat from the beginning but they brought no daleel for that so it's a weakened opinion.


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    There would be alot of feet knocking/brushing past your feet. It would be quite constant..hmm, the only time i re-did wudhu was when a particularly harsh knock on my toes caused some bleeding.

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    Does touching wife cause breaking of Wud'u

    Q.What is the ruling on touching the wife and the status wudu? Does touching the wife cause breaking of Wudu?

    A.All Praises are Due to Allah

    In this issue, the strongest of the statements of the scholars is that touching the wife does not break the wudu, unless there is a discharge of sperm. This is the statement of Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) and it is also from Imam Ali bin Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) as well as Hasan, Mujahid, and Qutada. It is also of the madhhab of Abu Haneefah. Ibn Jarir supports this statement, as well as At Tabari and Sheik Al Islam ibn Taimiyyah. The people who support this statement, use as proof the hadith of Ai'isha (may Allah be pleased with her), the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) who said, "I was sleeping in front of the messenger of Allah and my legs were in his qiblah. When he prostrated he touched me and I withdrew my legs, and when he stood I stretched them out". (Homes in those days did not have lamps.) (Bukhari narrated it, #328.)

    They also use the hadith where A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) says, "I noticed the Messenger of Allah was gone one evening from the bed, so I looked for him and my hand landed on the sole of his feet and he was in the masjid. They were close together and he was saying , "O Allah I seek refuge with you, pleasure from your anger, and with your pardon, and from your punishment. I seek refuge with you from what is falsely attributed to you as praise. You are how you have praised yourself". (Muslim narrated it #486.)

    An-Nawawi states in explaining this hadith that her statement, "and my hand landed on the soles of his feet when he was in the masjid and they were close together," is proof for the one who says that touching the wife does not break wudu. Sheik Al Islam Ibn Taimiyyah says the statement of Allah, "Or ye have been in contact with women" refers to sex as Ibn Abbas and others from the Arabs have said. It is reported by Ali and others, and it is the correct meaning of the ayat. There is nothing showing that touching one's wife breaks wudu in the Qur'an or Sunnah. The Muslims used to touch the wives all the time and not one of the Muslims reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) ordered anyone to make wudu because of touching women. (Majmu'ah Fatawa 21/401.)

    Allah knows best about this. Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon the Prophet .

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    AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

    JazkaAllah Khair for the advice! And something new i have learnt

    Also i wanted to know, when is a person required to do Ghusul rather than wudu

    Is there a particular time when it is sunnah to do Ghusul?

    JazakaAlllah Khair in Advance

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    I always wondered about this as well. interesting.

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    What is ghusl required and when is it mustahabb?
    Is bath (ghusl) obligatory after wet dreams or you have to do only after sexual intercourse? What are the other conditions when a Muslim has to take bath (ghusl)?.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Ghusl may be waajib (obligatory) or it may be sunnah and mustahabb. The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) have described all cases, and their comments may be divided into three categories:

    1 – Cases in which ghusl is required according to consensus:

    (i) Emission of maniy (semen) even if it is not through intercourse.

    It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (31/195):

    The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that emission of maniy (semen) is one of the things that make ghusl obligatory. Al-Nawawi narrated that there was consensus on this point. No distinction is made between men and women, or whether one is asleep or awake. The basic principle concerning that is the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Water is for water (i.e., ghusl must be done when semen is emitted).” Narrated by Muslim (343). What this means, as was stated by al-Nawawi, is that it becomes obligatory to do ghusl with water if gushing water is emitted, i.e., maniy. End quote.

    See also questions no. 6010, 12317 and 47693.

    (ii) Meeting of the two circumcised parts when the tip of the penis disappears completely in the vagina, even if no ejaculation takes place.

    See question no. 7529 and 36865.

    (iii) and (iv) Menstruation and nifaas (post partum bleeding)

    In al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (31/204) it says:

    The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that menstruation and nifaas are among the things that make ghusl obligatory. Ibn al-Mundhir, Ibn Jareer, al-Tabari and others narrated that there was consensus on this point. The evidence that ghusl is required following menses is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore, keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they are purified (from menses and have taken a bath). And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allaah has ordained for you”

    [al-Baqarah 2:222]. End quote

    2 – Cases in which ghusl is not required according to consensus, but it is mustahabb

    (i) Every time one is going to meet people – it is mustahabb to do ghusl beforehand.

    Al-Baghawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is mustahabb for the one who wants to meet with people to do ghusl, clean himself and perfume himself. That includes doing ghusl on the two Eids. Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo’ (2/233): It is Sunnah for everyone according to consensus, men, women and children, because it is part of adoring oneself. End quote.

    See also question no. 48988.

    That also includes doing ghusl before the eclipse prayer, prayers for rain (istisqa’), standing in ‘Arafah, doing ghusl in al-Mash’ar al-Haraam, before stoning the Jamaraat on the days of tashreeq, and other places where people gather to do acts of worship or gather according to their customs.

    (ii) When undergoing any physical change.

    Al-Muhaamili – who was a Shaafa’i faqeeh – said: It is mustahabb to do ghusl every time one undergoes a physical change.

    For example, the fuqaha’ stated that it is mustahabb for the one who went insane or fell unconscious to do ghusl when he recovers, and to do ghusl after cupping, after entering the hammam and so on, because the ghusl will remove anything that has gotten onto the body and will restore it to a natural state. See al-Majmoo’ (2/235, 234).

    (iii) For some acts of worship, such as doing ghusl when entering ihraam.

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did ghusl before changing into his ihraam garments. Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 830. The fuqaha’ stated that it is mustahabb to do ghusl for tawaaf al-ziyaarah and tawaaf al-wadaa’ (farewell tawaaf), and on Laylat al-Qadar. When Ibn ‘Umar entered Makkah he would do ghusl, and he said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to do that. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (1478) and Muslim (1259).

    3 – Ghusl concerning which the scholars differed, and which view is more likely to be correct

    (i) Ghusl for the deceased.

    The majority of scholars are of the view that death is one of the things that make ghusl obligatory, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to the women when his daughter died: “Wash her three times or five or more than that.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (1253) and Muslim (939).

    (ii) Ghusl after washing the deceased.

    The scholars differed concerning this, based on their differences about the hadeeth that was narrated concerning it. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever has washed a dead person, let him do ghusl.”

    Narrated by Ahmad (2/454), Abu Dawood (3161) and al-Tirmidhi (993), who said it is a hasan hadeeth. Imam Ahmad said in Masaa’il Ahmad by Abu Dawood (309): No hadeeth is proven concerning this.

    Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (1/411): The correct view is that it is mustahabb. End quote.

    See also question no. 6962.

    (iii) Ghusl on Fridays

    Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo’ (2/232): It is Sunnah according to the majority, and some of the salaf regarded it as obligatory. End quote.

    The correct view is that which was favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah in al-Fataawa al-Kubra (5/307): It is obligatory to do ghusl on Fridays for one who is sweaty or has an odour that may offend others. End quote.

    (iv) When a kaafir becomes Muslim

    The Maalikis and Hanbalis are of the view that if a kaafir becomes Muslim, ghusl is required, because of the report narrated by Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that Thumaamah ibn Athaal (may Allaah be pleased with him) became Muslim, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Take him to the garden of Banu So and so and tell him to do ghusl.” And it was narrated that when Qays ibn ‘Aasim became Muslim, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told him to do ghusl with water and lotus leaves. And in most cases the new Muslim will not be free of janaabah, so ghusl is required for that reason.

    The Hanafis and Shaafa’is are of the view that it is mustahabb for a kaafir to do ghusl when he becomes Muslim even if he is not junub, because many people became Muslim and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not tell them to do ghusl. If a kaafir becomes Muslim when he is junub, then he has to do ghusl. Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This was stated by al-Shaafa’i, and the majority of our companions are agreed on that. End quote.

    Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (1/379): In order to be on the safe side he should do ghusl. End quote.

    And Allaah knows best.
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