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| GET TO DA CHOPPA Status: Offline Posts: 9,048 Reputation: 26497 Rep Power: 64 Join Date: Jun 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Work in Marks and Spencers instead. Goodness knows they need help.
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| Ummah Under 1 Banner Status: Offline Posts: 10,379 Reputation: 41985 Rep Power: 84 Join Date: May 2005 Location: ...travelling to the hereafter.. Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Selling pork is haraam whether it is sold to a Muslim or to a kaafir. The evidence for that is as follows: 1 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Say (O Muhammad): I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of salcohol (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering” [al-An’aam 6:145] And the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us an important principle when he said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3488; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Ghaayat al-Maraam, 318. 2 – It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say when he was in Makkah at the time of the Conquest: “Allaah and His Messenger have forbidden the sale of alcohol, dead meat, pork and idols.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what do you think of the fat of dead animals, for ships are caulked with it and animal skins are daubed with it, and the people use it to light their lamps?” He said: “No, it is haraam.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the Jews, for when Allaah forbade them animal fat, they melted it down and sold it, and consumed its price.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1212; Muslim, 1581. Al-Nawawi said: With regard to dead meat, alcohol and pork, the Muslims are unanimously agreed that it is haraam to sell all of these. Al-Qaadi said: This hadeeth indicates that whatever we are forbidden to eat or make use of, we are also forbidden to sell, and it is not permissible to consume its price, as in the case of the animal fat mentioned in this hadeeth. Sharh Muslim, 11/8 Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali said, after quoting the ahaadeeth about the prohibition on alcohol: The conclusion we may draw from all these ahaadeeth is that whatever Allaah has forbidden us to make use of, it is also haraam to sell it and consume its price, as is stated clearly in the hadeeth: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” This is a general, comprehensive phrase which applies to everything which is intended to be used in haraam ways. These fall into two categories: (i) Things which are to be used and will remain as they are, such as idols. The purpose for which they are used is shirk or association of others with Allaah, which is the greatest of all sins. We may add to that books of shirk, witchcraft, innovation (bid’ah) and misguidance, forbidden images, forbidden means of entertainment and also buying slave women who will serve as singers. (ii) Things which are to be used and which will be used up. If in the majority of cases a thing is used for haraam purposes, then it is haraam to sell it. For example, it is haraam to sell pork, alcohol and dead meat even though they may – on rare occasions – be used for a permissible purpose, such as eating dead meat for those who are in extreme need, or using alcohol to stop oneself choking or to putt out a fire, or using pig hairs for beading, or making use of the hair and skin of a pig – according to those who approve of that. But because these are not the reason for which these things are produced, and the usual use for pigs and dead meat is to eat them, and the usual use for alcohol is to drink it, so no attention should be paid to these reasons, and it is haraam to sell these things. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) indicated this when it was said to him: “What do you think of the fat of dead animals, for ships are caulked with it and animal skins are daubed with it, and the people use it to light their lamps?” He said: “No, it is haraam.” Jaami’ al-‘Uloom wa’l-Hukam, 1/415, 416 The Standing Committee was asked: Is it permissible to deal in alcohol and pork if one is not selling them to a Muslim? They replied: It is not permissible to deal in foods and other things that Allaah has forbidden, such as alcohol and pork, even if one is selling them to kaafirs, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He also forbids its price.” And because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who consumes its price, the one who squeezes (the grapes, etc) and the one for whom it is squeezed. Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 13/49. Allah u a'lam (Allah (swt) knows best.) wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh. |
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| rep points mean nothin Status: Offline Posts: 1,334 Reputation: 2070 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leicester Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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Anywho yeh you could say working in an environment which sells pork and alcohol is haraam - as you get your wages from the same pot as the profits. However living in a non-muslim coutry we are all commiting sin, our taxes (whether direct or non-direct) all end up in the same pot - which funds all sorts of bad stuff i.e. Iraq war and the education of the likes of Brother Muezzin | ||
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| LI Fiesty Member Status: Offline Posts: 190 Reputation: 129 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Reading Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | J/K minaz
__________________Im glad you pointed that Marks and spencers is a supporter of Israel for a list of other companys and products please see BIG's website.http://www.bigcampaign.org/ In the west it can be kind of hard trying to find a job where no haram things are going on , espeically if your a woman its twice as hard .
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| Justice_Jihad_Jannah Status: Offline Posts: 79 Reputation: 79 Rep Power: 21 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London uk Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | i am in full agreement wit evry1! espesh cuz it is sooooo hard to find a halal job wen u think store work is tha easiest to get hold of! i wud suggest u apply to an agency n get an office job or sumit! there is gender mixing but it seems to be on a more professional level! (thas wot i reckon neways!) take care n good luck sis! [color=Red] xxx 1 :love: , 1 Imaan, 1 Ummah xxx[/COLOR] |
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 323 Reputation: 167 Rep Power: 21 Join Date: Jul 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | there are plently of halal places to work, mashallah to hear some of you you'd think tesco was the only job option,
__________________if you work in a food/wine store you can take that experience to a big DIY store/ furniture store/electrical store/bakery selling halal food.... sister there are lots of options. as for an office enviroment, i wouldnt recommend it, there are too many times when you'll find yourself alone with a male collegue which is haram also the dating scense in always big in offices, but if you can find a women only office then Allhumdulilah, have you thought of other things like starting an ebay shop selling e books(halal ones of course) making jewelry and selling it, etc... Marks and spencer?? sell haram products as well as fund israel. inshaallah you will find a halal job asap Indeed Allah is Great and Good Allhumdulilah |
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| rep points mean nothin Status: Offline Posts: 1,334 Reputation: 2070 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leicester Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
You who do not know Brother Muezzin must excuse him for his sense of humour - because he's a law student | |
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| MuSaLiMaH Status: Offline Posts: 75 Reputation: 25 Rep Power: 20 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I dnt think its harama as lng as u wear full hijaab for a girl, keep ur gaze lowered n no satr is exposed n u dnt interact with ne 1 so much...all the islamiz laws must be obeyed |
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| GET TO DA CHOPPA Status: Offline Posts: 9,048 Reputation: 26497 Rep Power: 64 Join Date: Jun 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Um, where's my Marks and Spencer post gone?
__________________Seriously and on topic, is it not possible for you to work in a different type of retailer, such as a clothing shop? Pay a visit to the masters of might, magic and Monday mornings Fedora-sporting userpage 'Credit crunch sounds like a breakfast cereal' |
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| LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,812 Reputation: 2460 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dunya Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | PHEW!!
__________________is a good thing i choose not to work in a supermarket whoaaa “Whoever puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is Allah for him.” I never saw anyone as just as the world. As long as you pursue the world it will pursue you, but when you turn away from it and seek God, it will leave you alone and its glamour shall no longer fascinate you. |
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| Administrator Status: Offline Posts: 20,520 Reputation: 54025 Rep Power: 111 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cyberabad Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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