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    Default Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    We don't believe in coincidence right?


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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    yes and no - we live our lives normally and do our best to stay within the limits of Almighty God, we have no way of fully comprehending the unseen -

    Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good

    nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen.

    But He chooses of His Messenger. (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His apostles: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure.
    Quran 3:179

    you can randomly do everything - then you will find on the day of judgement a scroll spread out.

    he knows everything - past- present - and future.

    but that is not something you are to dwell on as it will make you dependent on fatalistic tendencies.
    you would not wear a seat belt, you would not use the steering wheel
    you would drive at full speed and not brake when you see a hazard
    and you would die
    and you will find that it was already known that you would do these foolish things

    a bit difficult to comprehend - yet amazingly true.

    the hadith regarding future events are knowledge imparted to us, that doesn't mean that we eat popcorn in front of the tv and wait till the end.
    (bear in mind - it is known who's gonna be eating the popcorn)

    that is Almighty God's knowledge - we have been given guidance - we do our bit.

    this kind of subject - when you see it happen with your own eyes - your faith is elevated beyond measure
    when you have no reference point and you dwell on it - you can lose faith like sand through your fingers.

    "i am about to put a vicegerent on earth"
    in paradise - "don't approach this tree"
    "get you down to earth"

    scary huh???

    yet - the companions of the Prophet (pbuh) would see events taking place before their very eyes and remember the exact description of the event given by the prophet (pbuh) and say "it was as if i met someone i hadn't seen in a long time - and when i saw them , i would remember everything about them".

    1. A. L. M.
    2. The Roman Empire has been defeated-
    3. In a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious-
    4. Within a few years. With Allah is the Decision, in the past and in the Future: on that Day shall the Believers rejoice-
    5. With the help of Allah. He helps whom He will, and He is exalted in might, most merciful.
    6. (It is) the promise of Allah. Never does Allah depart from His promise: but most men understand not.
    7. They know but the outer (things) in the life of this world: but of the End of things they are heedless.
    Quran 30:1-7

    the romans still fought.


    27. Truly did Allah fulfil the vision for His Messenger. ye shall enter the Sacred Mosque, if Allah wills, with minds secure, heads shaved, hair cut short, and without fear. For He knew what ye knew not, and He granted, besides this, a speedy victory.
    28. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.
    Quran 48:27-28

    they did exactly that after a few years - imagine if that hadn't happened? no one would have believed the Prophet (pbuh) - and their position was still very weak at the time - a little after the confederate forces almost wiped them out.

    with Moses:

    37. "And indeed We conferred a favour on thee another time (before).
    38. "Behold! We sent to thy mother, by inspiration, the message:
    39. "'Throw (the child) into the chest, and throw (the chest) into the river: the river will cast him up on the bank, and he will be taken up by one who is an enemy to Me and an enemy to him': But I cast (the garment of) love over thee from Me: and (this) in order that thou mayest be reared under Mine eye.
    40. "Behold! thy sister goeth forth and saith, 'shall I show you one who will nurse and rear the (child)?' So We brought thee back to thy mother, that her eye might be cooled and she should not grieve. Then thou didst slay a man, but We saved thee from trouble, and We tried thee in various ways. Then didst thou tarry a number of years with the people of Midian. Then didst thou come hither as ordained, O Moses!
    Quran 20:37-40

    his mother still sent his sister - and she played a part in that happening - though the crib and the acceptance into the house of pharaoh were beyond their control.

    you throw a dice, you get 1 five times in a row - a definite coincidence (unless the dice were loaded), yet - it's already known.


    “The Knower of Unseen reveals not His secret to anyone. Except to His chosen Messengers”.

    Surah-Al-Jinn, verse 26.

    they are able to see the events as if it is happening live.

    also the prophecies regarding the Antichrist and Jesus (pbuh):



    Annuit Cœptis is translated by the U.S. State Department, The U.S. Mint,[7] and the U.S. Treasury[8] as "He (God) has favored our undertakings." (brackets in original)



    Ibn 'Omar said, "The Prophet mentioned the Dajjal (Deceiver) to the people.

    He said,


    "Allah is not one-eyed, but the Dajjal is blind in his right eye,

    and his eye is like a bulging grape.'" (Sahih Muslim)

    sec·u·lar (sky-lr) adj.
    1. Worldly rather than spiritual.

    2. Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body:

    3. Relating to or advocating secularism.

    4. Not bound by monastic restrictions, especially not belonging to a religious order. Used of the clergy.

    5. Occurring or observed once in an age or century.

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    the words secular and saeclorum are derived from the same root word.





    Anas ibn Malik said, "The Prophet said,
    'there has never been a Prophet
    who did not warn his people
    against that one-eyed liar.
    verily he is one-eyed
    and your Lord is not one-eyed.
    On his forehead will be written the letters
    Kaf, Fa, Ra (Kafir).'"
    (Muslim, Bukhari)


    Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّارkuffār)
    is a term used in a Islamic doctrinal sense,
    usually translated as "unbeliever" or "disbeliever", or sometimes "infidel".
    The term refers to a person
    who rejects God
    or who
    hides, denies, or "covers" the truth.


    • Ali was reported to have said:
    His right eye will be punctured,
    and his left eye would be raised to his forehead
    and will be sparkling like a star.
    Only the believers will be able to read the word Kufr’ [disbelief], inscribed in bold letters, on his forehead.



    think - is it a coincidence - did someone choose it, did Almighty God do it?
    the only thing we can be certain of is that Almighty God knows it:

    Narrated Ibn Umar:
    Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved.
    Then, mentioning Dajjal, he said,
    "I warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal)
    and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him.
    No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him
    but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me.
    You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."

    when we make a mistake - we have the assurance that we would have thoughtlessly done that and know that it is recorded, and that it was something we were meant to learn from, but we treat our future as normal - or we will stop brushing our teeth thinking our teeth will stay white if God wills, or rot if God wills, yet he gave us a nature, laws, and guidance to follow. so we do our part. if you are about to do something foolish - don't think about destiny, if you are about to throw yourself into the heat of the battle in the way of Almighty God - know that all is written and have assurance that he will record it in your favour - that way -you are safe - and also have peace of mind.

    I know it's unexplainable - but nobody can explain it completely - our brains weren't made to fathom it.
    yet i do know that He knows - right through birth, life, death, grave, judgement, paradise/hell.


    here's one from the previous scripture:
    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,
    to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man;
    and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    so i made this video:




    - peace






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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    Greetings and peace be with you Salahudeen;

    If coincidences never happened that would be even more strange !

    But what happens when we pray, and our prayers are answered, is that a coincidence?

    And this reminds me of a joke,

    A man had been driving around for an hour looking for a place to park. He prays to God, if God can find him a parking place, he will stop getting drunk and go to church again.
    He drives round the corner, and sees a parking place, and says, ignore my last request, I have found somewhere to park.

    In the spirit of searching for God.

    Eric


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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    Can you explain why we don't/can't believe in coincidence ?

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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    In what sort of context do you mean? Like deja vu ?

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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    I mean when you bump into someone you haven't seen in ages because you both happen to be in the exact same place at the same time, is it just a coincidence?


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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    i'd say it is not -

    here's why:

    42. Remember ye were on the hither side of the valley, and they on the farther side, and the caravan on lower ground than ye.

    Even if ye had made a mutual appointment to meet, ye would certainly have failed in the appointment:

    But (thus ye met), that Allah might accomplish a matter already enacted;

    that those who died might die after a clear Sign (had been given), and those who lived might live after a Clear Sign (had been given). And verily Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
    Quran 8:42

    every experience in your life is something you will learn of take from - you won't know why or how, but as brother eric gave the example of the driver, if you forget that there's another force out there - then yes - you will see it as coincidence, otherwise you will know that there is a guiding light.

    when the disbelievers would see the miracles of the Prophets (pbut) or the prophecies coming to pass - they would call them "magicians" or describe the events as "magic"

    51:52 Even so there came no messenger unto those before them but they said: A wizard or a madman!
    51:53 Have they handed down (the saying) as an heirloom one unto another ? Nay, but they are people transgressing all bounds.


    they dismissed these stupefying events light-heartedly in order to mislead the people - but it will be said to them on the day of judgement when they are burning in the fire:

    11. Then woe that Day to those that treat (Truth) as Falsehood;-
    12. That play (and paddle) in shallow trifles.
    13. That Day shall they be thrust down to the Fire of Hell, irresistibly.
    14. "This:, it will be said, "Is the Fire,- which ye were wont to deny!
    15. "Is this then magic, or is it ye that do not see?
    16. "Burn ye therein: the same is it to you whether ye bear it with patience, or not: Ye but receive the recompense of your (own) deeds."

    imagine the looks on their faces - magic fire hurts!


    personally - i am CERTAIN that it's all known beforehand - but the reason for meeting the person may be just passing by and saying hello - or a life-changing event.

    we don't know which parts Almighty God has controlled completely and which parts he has allowed to happen. but we can be sure that He is the ultimate planner.

    or the prophecies regarding the end times would be senseless - since each small event contributes towards the change in direction for generations to come. like ripples from a stone in the water.

    eg - you met a girl by coincidence who you ended up marrying - a few generations down the line - the world will be totally different simply due to that fact that those descendants are making positive or negative contributions to humanity at large.

    or the fact that hagar ran from safa to marwa looking for water in a barren valley - then the last Prophet was born from her progeny, now almost a quarter of the earth's population follow in her footsteps and live their lives according to his teachings, this has made the geographical, political, and economical situation completely different from what would have happened if one man didn't wlak to a desolate barren valley and leave his bondwoman and child there.

    coincidence??? maybe - but i'm sure you'll agree that there's more to it than meets the eye.


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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Salahudeen View Post
    I mean when you bump into someone you haven't seen in ages because you both happen to be in the exact same place at the same time, is it just a coincidence?
    Salam Alaikkum

    It's meant to be.


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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    Maybe coincidences are exist, but I believe behind many coincidences there are scenarios. In example, someone doesn't have a job. Then he make du'a to Allah. Few days later when he walks on the street he meet his friend who offers him a job. It's look like a coincidence, but I believe actually this is the answer for his du'a.

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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    Asalaam walekum
    There is no such thing as coincidence, luck, natural disasters etc... Everything takes place with the will and permission of Allah swt. The Prophet peace be upon said, "Whatever befalls you could never have missed you, and whatever misses you could never have befalled you."
    The scholars say this hadith and there are many other similar ones such as "If the whole of mankind was to gather to benefit you they cannot unless Allah wills, and if the whole of mankind gather to harm you they cannont unless Allah wills.", these hadith can be used in reference to beneficial and harmful things.

    So if something is meant to happen to us or we are to receive something, then it was meant to be, and if we dont get something or arent afflicted with something then it was never meant to be. I hope this clarifies this matter. Allah knows best.


    "By time, Indeed, mankind is in loss, Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience." Quran 103

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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    Good question , as in you call someone the same time they call you.


    i wanted to know as well, because a few of my duas in my heart have come to pass , so was wondering if they were coincidence

    The answer is Allah swt plans everything and to us it might seem like coincidence

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    Default Re: Is there such a thing as coincidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by noorseeker View Post
    Good question , as in you call someone the same time they call you.


    i wanted to know as well, because a few of my duas in my heart have come to pass , so was wondering if they were coincidence

    The answer is Allah swt plans everything and to us it might seem like coincidence
    Yeah and me, like I wanted to see someone, and I make du'a that I see them 2moro, and I end up seeing them then I start thinking was it just coincidence but it can't be I think, everything is with will of Allah.


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