Are the Prophets sinless according to Ibn Taymiyyah and Imam AbdulWahab? - Page 4

**chacha_jalebi**

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Originally Posted by pauper

Nah Just Anti Khalafi .

ok before this thread get closed, bro bro

what modern day scholars do you hold in high respect?? just out of curiosity ...

Ramlah

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Originally Posted by Malaikah

What about Prophet Yunus? Everyone knows he made a serious, massive mistake for which he was seriously punished, it is mentioned in the Quran itself.

Being a Prophet doesn't make a person 100% free from committing sin.

Also Muhammad pbuh was only infallible in conveying the message, he was not infallible in anything else.

yeah, and what about musa, aleyhi salaam @brother pauper

btw, who are the khalaf

pauper

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Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

ok before this thread get closed, bro bro

what modern day scholars do you hold in high respect?? just out of curiosity ...

Non .

shukran

- Serene - · 11:55 AM

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That's a fish attitude

Malaikah · 11:57 AM

Khalaf = later generations of scholars.

As for the first post, it said:

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It is my creed that the Prophets are sinless. In agreement with what has been said by Imam Abu Hanifah in his Fiqh ul Akbar, Imams Nawawi in his Sharh ul Muslim, V. 3, pp. 53-55 and Qadi Iyad Ibn Musa in his classical work Ash-Shifaa. I am interested in seeing the said works in Salafi publications and anything that fairly confirms or refutes these suggestions.

My understanding is that this means they are sinless in the sense that they were forgiven for all their sins, because the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said that the one who repents is like the one who never sinned. Therefore the Prophets are sinless in that respect. Allahu A'lam.

Otherwise, I ask you again, if they never made mistakes, why did Prophet Yunus leave his people before being allowed too? why did Allah punish him by having him swallowed by the whale? Why was he only released when he asked Allah to forgive him?

Also, the first post doesn't mention anything about being infallible, just sinful (two very different things).

pauper

See it as You like , The same way I see Your Khalaf scholars as wrong .

The prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم Was infalible , because he was and Is and will be the best of Allah SWT creation thats enough to see him صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم as infallible .

pauper

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Originally Posted by AhLÄÄM

^

That's a fish attitude

Who says ?

Ramlah

no one has to say its common sense *no hard feelings*

Malaikah

I'm not asking for a mircale... just proof.

If you don't have proof just say so otherwise we are all wasting our time here.

pauper

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Originally Posted by Ramlah

no one has to say its common sense *no hard feelings*

Well then just reflects negative on what you think about others

.

There is nothing that obliges us to follow khalaf scholars , i am not sure why people are so die heard that if we dont follow these scholars our islam is deviant or something .

pauper

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Originally Posted by Malaikah

I'm not asking for a mircale... just proof.

If you don't have proof just say so otherwise we are all wasting our time here.

ALready gave u proof , but i dont have proof from Khalaf scholars if thats what u want ALHAMDULILAH

Ramlah

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There is nothing that obliges us to follow khalaf scholars , i am not sure why people are so die heard that if we dont follow these scholars our islam is deviant or something .

probably because they were the utmost fearing of allah, perhaps they are the ones with the strongest love for allah (of course after the prophet and the comapnions)...for god sake would you follow someones opinion if they were a sinner

no, obviously you would trust one who has a strong fear and love of allah.

Malaikah

My apologies, I must have missed it. Can you direct me to the post that had the proof in it?

**chacha_jalebi**

so that means you deny the story of Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Maktum (Ra), in surah abasa?

erm the hadiths about the dates?

now you cant say these are khalaf scholar sources, these are from the Quraan and Sunnah ...

pauper

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Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

so that means you deny the story of Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Maktum (Ra), in surah abasa?

erm the hadiths about the dates?

now you cant say these are khalaf scholar sources, these are from the Quraan and Sunnah ...

No i dont off course bro , but i dont deduce them as mistakes like you do

As for your other question i said I follow non of the Khalaf modern scholars Irrepective of names ( Not salafis , nor sufis , nor deobandis etc. ) . all the man made names .

I dont follow those scholars sorry .

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pauper Member Status: Offline Posts: 86 Reputation: 117 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Apr 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Are the Prophets sinless according to Ibn Taymiyyah and Imam AbdulWahab? - 04-15-2008 See it as You like , The same way I see Your Khalaf scholars as wrong . The prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم Was infalible , because he was and Is and will be the best of Allah SWT creation thats enough to see him صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم as infallible .

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