so by adding a yaa on kul (eat), or fasluk (follow) makes it plural, if its non intelligent like a bee?? where did you get this grammer from? where is your source, do you have any example from the Quran. i really dont think what you are saying is true.

yaa at the end where God is commanding, example attakhizea, or kullee, or faslukee, means he is talking to a female, example - When God talks to mary, he uses kullee

فَكُلِي وَاشْرَبِي وَقَرِّي عَيْنًا فَإِمَّا تَرَيِنَّ مِنَ الْبَشَرِ أَحَدًا فَقُولِي إِنِّي نَذَرْتُ لِلرَّحْمَنِ صَوْمًا فَلَنْ أُكَلِّمَ الْيَوْمَ إِنسِيًّا

"So eat and drink and be glad, and if you see any human being, say: 'Verily! I have vowed a fast unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) so I shall not speak to any human being this day.'" [19:26]

if you look at another context where it is male, it will be kul.

kulee is clearly a command to a female. as well as faslukee...

You are saying that the yaa makes it plural, how? Can you please give me your source for this. any any other example from the Quran.

I have actually verified some of them, and they are true. example the moon is mentioned 27 times in the Quran and this is how long the moon takes to go around the earth, 27 days. Many others are actually true. I have a 3 volume quran, which is the word to word translation as well as the other meanings of a word, i have verified many of them using that as well as other sources.

Didn't say they weren't true, just that the fact that it is true has no significance. Even if it is true, what does it prove? That's like saying that the number of letter Es on a particular age are exactly equal to the page number and furthermore, the title of that chapter also begins with the letter E. Doesn't even prove that the author intended it to be that way, or even that he was aware of it, though Allah is perfect in his knowledge.

Some of the ones I looked at, (I didn't look at all of them) were shoddy because they ignored or did not count different forms of the same word. I would have to go back and check for the exact reference, but I remember in one place they counted all occurrences of the word Wahid, meaning the One unless it had a tanween of Fatha at the end, where in writing you add an unpronounced alif at the end to indicate the Fatha tanween, because they didn't use Harakaat in those times (like the unpronounced E at the end of like). The point is that they did not count those occurrences because it threw their count off. So, shoddy reasoning, overlooking of pertinent information and in the final case, mistranslation of the bee thing.

Absolutely correct.

The word 'itakhizhi' from the same verse is also the feminine for take- does denote to me that the worker bee is female.. does anyone have an alternate explanation? if so how?

As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

"And Your lord inspired the bee, to build your dwellings in hills, on trees, and in (human’s) habitations. Then, to eat of all the produce and follow the ways of your Lord made easy. There comes forth from their bodies a drink of varying colour, wherein is healing for men: Verily, in this is a sign for those who give thought." (The Quran, 16:68-69)

The translation of the Arabic word "attakhithi", which is the feminine form (Arabic grammar unlike English, differentiates between the sexes). The feminine form is used when all of those it refers to are female, whereas the masculine is used when a group consists of at least 1 male.

As is very obvious, Mary is an intelligent human being. And anyway, this form also applies to all intelligent or non intelligent singular females.

I am a student at a madrassa in Pakistan. We study grammar there. Unfortunately all my grammar books are either in Urdu or Arabic. Do you understand Urdu or Arabic? My books are 'Lisaan ul-Quran', pulblication of Madrassa Aisha Siddiqa lil Banaat, and 'an-Nahw al-WaZih lil Madaaris il-Ibtida2iyyah wa ath-Thanawiyyah'. Also I know of lots of highly reputed grammar books (in Arabic) which mention the rule. It is a very basic rule, used everywhere. I don't know why your books don't mention it. If you want, I can scan the relevant pages and you can get them translated from a source you trust.

I'll have to think about the Quran example for a bit. I'll get back to you about it when I'm not so tired.

The word which is translated as 'their' in your translation (ha), is also the term for a singular female. So can other singular feminine forms (both in verbs and pronouns) be used for a non intelligent ie animal form.

For example, do you say: Hathihee kotobun, or do you say, Ha2olaa2i kotobun?

Arabic is my mother tongue and I agree with kay!
kulee
itakhithee
asluki
are all feminine period!

As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

I would say Hathihee kotobun.

Alternate explanation: it uses feminine singular because it is referring to a non-human group, which is allowed, whether the group consists of all males (like books=kotubun), all females, or any mixture of the two.

For more information, read through the beginning of this thread.

Want me to post the grammar rules from my books, now we have some Arabic speakers?

BTW, would you say: Ha2olaa2i kotobun?

Read this:

هذه كتبٌ. هي موظوعة على الرف. أخذتها ولكن سقطت من يدي

See the repeated use of singular feminine for a group consisting of 100% male books

These are Qa3idah 47 and 48 from the volume one of the book 'an-Nahwo al-Wazih fee Qawa3idi al-loghati il-3arabiyyati lil-madaaris ith-Thanawiyyah'

As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Calm down please. We are united as brothers and sisters. You are make Allah Taala sad to see this.

Please stop this or the Mods will closed this thread down.

Please to be feeling love and be happy.

Sorry everybody, kay too, but I just lost my temper there for a bit.

But I think that I, atleast am no longer capable of participating in intelligent discussion here, so I am out.