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| ma Na'raf shee Status: Offline Posts: 13,862 Reputation: 105039 Rep Power: 167 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Zeeland ND, at last a single address Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
It is an authentic hadith. Now does that mean it is scientifically accurate? That is a very debatable matter. But, we must keep in mind that the hadith are the writings of man and not clear as to what may have been intended to be a scientific fact or a metaphor. It is an accurate statement, but we have yet to prove it as a fact. From a genetic view point, it does not seem to be scientifically accurate, but could be a metaphor, analogy, probability etc. or possibly regarding something we do not understand. There may also be other factors involved that are not yet proven, that can show it to be scientificaly correct. Some of the workable practices that can help a couple predetermine the gender of a child prior to concept could exist under the natural conditions of the mother to be, based on the increase or decrease of hormones resulting in either alkaline or acidic conditions in the woman's body during conception. At the moment it would be best to simply acknowledge that the hadith is authentic, has a high degree of reliability, but we do not know if it is intended to be a scientific fact and that to date it has yet to be scientifically proven. However, some unproven studies seem to indicate it could be scientifically correct. Without going into graphic detail: Quote:
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| With purpose. Status: Offline Posts: 1,475 Reputation: 9853 Rep Power: 27 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Behind you! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Brother, I thank you very much for those explanations. I am sorry if the thing shocked you. We both are not scholars of hadith. Our lack of knowledge in these particular areas might lead us to develope incorrect thoughts? Perhaps I should stay away from reading hadith from random websites? Many of them are contorted against Islam. I am just confused as to what I should avoid and what I shouldnt avoid. Any advice? That being said your explanations make perfect sense, you seem to be well on your way |
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| ma Na'raf shee Status: Offline Posts: 13,862 Reputation: 105039 Rep Power: 167 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Zeeland ND, at last a single address Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
to be honest I have a very low opinion of online scholars and those who claim to be scholars online. I am certain there are valid reliable ones, however most of us will stand a higher risk of coming across erroneous ones. The best choice is to seek out a learned scholar or Imam in your immediate area and even then always seek to verify what you read or hear from any person. In the final plans of life each of us will be accountable for our actions and the excuse that somebody mislead us, may not be an acceptable excuse. Read, learn, question, verify all things. Do not accept anything a living person tells you, without seeking more opinions. Islam is a lifetime journey of learning and validating. Most anti-Islamic sites become obvious after a few seconds. The most dangerous are those that appear to be supportive of Islam, have a very high degree of accuracy, but introduce subtle unexpected errors. Avoid all site you know are anti-Islamic. Immediately get off any you find to be after reading for awhile and always stand ready to question and seek verification of what you read on the others. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 3,788 Reputation: 12661 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | There was an extensive thread about the genetics hadith, however most of it got deleted due to forum migration. Quote:
The Talmud says exactly the opposite as the hadith claims. Although the resemblence of a child to its parents is not limited to the child's gender only. Personally, I doubt the timing of the orgasm has any effect on the gender or the resemblence of a child to its parents. | |
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| Extremophile Status: Offline Posts: 6,782 Reputation: 27618 Rep Power: 68 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swimming with thermus aquaticus in Yellowstone National Park Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | The hadith is authentic, here is a little piece on it: Turning our attention to the child resembling one of its parents, this is also confirmed by the prophetic hadīth. The child may sometimes resemble his father, his mother, one of his uncles, his grandparents, or he may closely resemble none of them.http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_se...main_cat_id=31 ![]() |
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| Anathema Status: Offline Posts: 1,195 Reputation: 13389 Rep Power: 37 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tukwila, WA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
if you are to be the new "Deedat or something", grab a Ibn Kathir Tafsir and Ma'ariful Qur'an and read them both, that's about 15 volumes. read them all and listen to some online tafsir, i highly recommend Mufti Ismail Menk: http://www.muftimenk.co.za/Downloads.html listen to 3. Tafseer - Ramadaan 1426 (2005) Klerksdorp (Reasons of Revelation of verses of the noble Qur'an) first! then listen to it again. you should be amazed. keep in mind when "refuting" "crap" about our Deen, that the reason that people hate Islam is because "they don't get it". YOU have to "get it" first in order to explain it. listening to Mufti Menk, who frequently quotes ibn Kathir as well as the Ma'ariful Qur'an, you will, In Sha'a Allah, recognize 2 points: A) Islam is the most beautiful creation of Allah {Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala}; it sings of righteousness and justice and guidance. and B) because A is true, you will learn that EVERYTHING IN ISLAM MAKES PERFECT RATIONAL SENSE! there may be a few things that only Allah {Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala} and His Messenger{Salla Allahu Alayhe Wa Salaam} know for sure, but you will see, In Sha'a Allah, that common sense for the most part will become your best weapon! and all of that reading and listening should keep you off of those sites for a while. "doubt" is NOT a good part of Islam, don't bite off more than you can chew at once!
Had the non-believer known of all the Mercy which is in the Hands of Allah, he would not lose hope of entering Paradise, and had the believer known of all the punishment which is present with Allah, he would not consider himself safe from the Hell-Fire http://www.muftimenk.co.za/Downloads.html | |
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| Seeking 'ilm Status: Offline Posts: 302 Reputation: 3979 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Apr 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I'm sure these ahadith are already refuted in details before but here are my two cents In the name of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala), the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Quote:
1- Prophet (Peace be upon him) and 'Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) used to take shower together. Lesson: there is nothing wrong with a husband taking shower with her wife and if they look at each other while naked. 2- Prophet (Peace be upon him) and 'Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) used to intimate (excluding sexual intercourse) during her menses. Lesson: In Jahliya, the Mushrikeen (Poly Atheists) and People of the book (Jews and Christians) would separate themselves from their wives during their menses and would not go near them and touch them. So the Sunnah of Prophet (Peace be upon him) broke the Jahliya custom. In addition, in Islam, a husband and wife can intimate with each other during her menses as long as they do not have sexual intercourse. 3- Our mother, 'Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) used to wash Prophet's (Peace be upon him) hair during her menses when he (Peace be upon him) was in Itkaf. Comments: The masjid and house of Prophet (Peace be upon him) were attached and it is forbidden for women to enter Masjid wile they are in menses. Now, what is wrong with this hadith? Do haters have problem with a husband and wife taking shower together or looking at each other when naked? Or do they have problem with a husband and wife enjoying each other when the wife is having her period? Or do that have problem with a wife washing her husband's hair while she is in menses? They have problems with a husband and wife's relationship! Come on! If this was about themselves, their friends, celebrities etc. they will say "wow, this is so romantic" but due to the name Muhammad, suddenly it has become the worst thing on this planet! They have no problem with their own people doing this illegally and illegitimately but they have problem when Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) or his followers do it legally and legitimately with their wives! Quote:
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| Protect the Muslims Status: Offline Posts: 2,000 Reputation: 10520 Rep Power: 41 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
You can read the rest of the article for better understanding. Quote:
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| With purpose. Status: Offline Posts: 1,475 Reputation: 9853 Rep Power: 27 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Behind you! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I THINK I GOT THE ASNWER for my original problem. In the hadith where it talks about the man discharging before the woman, the word which was translated as first also means dominate or overpower, thus again, it seems to be a translational problem that caused controversy. The man's discharge necessarily implies the genes and such that are present in the sperm. Thus if his genes overpower the woman's genes, the child will look like him. This is basic genetics. The word is dominate NOT first. Also, the hadith describes what the man and women have as seeds. There were no words such as semen or eggs back then so this is in laymans terms again. If anyone wants to verify this themselves they can but I read an article on it when I looked for explainations, i cant find it right now though but this is the gist of it. |
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| nusrat fanatic Status: Offline Posts: 6,217 Reputation: 28595 Rep Power: 66 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Way of Life: Agnostic | Quote:
you are wasting your time and energy going to sites like that. you could use that energy to learn about your religion from reliable sources instead. each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles question authority | |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 3,788 Reputation: 12661 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Agnostic | Quote:
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| With purpose. Status: Offline Posts: 1,475 Reputation: 9853 Rep Power: 27 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Behind you! Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Others would disagree about what it is saying. Keep in mind, he may have tried to make sense of the translation and not the arabic. My statement still stands and a differing opinion on it does not negate the truth of mine. |
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