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    Default Hijab and Naked Tribes in Africa/Amazon


    Hey, everytime there is a debate about this, someone always brings up the nakes tribes and claim that they get along fine without clothing so why force people to wear hijab. What is the proper response to this?

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    Default Re: Hijab and Naked Tribes in Africa/Amazon


    hehehe - the things you come up with!!!
    you don't wear hijaab because you "can't get along fine without it", but because you are told to by god. see how easy that was?


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    Default Re: Hijab and Naked Tribes in Africa/Amazon


    Quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    hehehe - the things you come up with!!!
    you don't wear hijaab because you "can't get along fine without it", but because you are told to by god. see how easy that was?
    Are you sure you aren’t a muslim???


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    Default Re: Hijab and Naked Tribes in Africa/Amazon


    yep, but i get asked that a lot!


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    Quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    yep, but i get asked that a lot!
    It is a wonderful compliment.

    Hope you come around…..


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    that's just how i take it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiKarateKid View Post
    What is the proper response to this?

    "Get a job?"


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    Default Re: Hijab and Naked Tribes in Africa/Amazon




    Why don't you ask them what is stopping them from stripping off naked right at that moment, after all, it works for these tribes, right, so why don't they follow along?



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    Default Re: Hijab and Naked Tribes in Africa/Amazon


    I think the point would be that there isn't a natural state of shame to human nakedness. It is culturally learned behavior.

    However, I do agree that the reason a people would feel shame at their own nakedness would be because they are taught to be ashamed, whether one wants to attribute that to God or society.


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    I'll put the 'reversion to our unshamed state' in the suggestion box and see how everyone turns out on monday.. I am sure it will prove interesting...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltoi View Post
    I think the point would be that there isn't a natural state of shame to human nakedness. It is culturally learned behavior.
    Or maybe there is a natural state, but culturally learned behaviour overrides the natural state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi View Post
    Or maybe there is a natural state, but culturally learned behaviour overrides the natural state?

    The power of the influence of those around an individual from childhood is amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiKarateKid View Post
    Hey, everytime there is a debate about this, someone always brings up the nakes tribes and claim that they get along fine without clothing so why force people to wear hijab. What is the proper response to this?
    The naked tribes do not respond to nudity like civilised people do. Being naked for them is a natural state and not related to sexual desire. Anthropologists have not noted higher promiscuity, birth rate, or more sexual activity in naked tribes than in clothed people.

    However, in civilised societies the learned response to nudity is sexual desire. Not many would dispute that. Being in regions where this response is the norm, calls for protection of oneself which in Islam is through observing hijab.

    So, one may ask would hijab be needed where nudity is not relative to sexual desire?

    The answer is yes! But why?

    The answer is in the Quran.

    As Allah says, ‘....Surely he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you see them not..." (Quran-7:27)

    The verse here refers to the jinn community, who inhabit the whole earth. Nakedness is appreciated by the shayateen. This is why a muslim must recite, 'Bismillah' before getting undressed.

    *Anas (ra) reports from Rasulullah (SAW) that when a person undresses for the purpose of relieving himself, or bathing or having relations with his/her spouse, the shaytaan interfere and plays with his/her private parts. If he/she says 'Bismillah' before taking off the clothes, then this serves as a barrier and safety from the shayateen and jinns.*

    By commanding us to clothe ourselves Allah isn't condemming nudity, but protecting us from what He knows is harmful to us. Whether that be peoples' response to nudity, the shayateens interference, or anything else, a muslim knows that Allah has ordained for us, only that is beneficial for us.


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    Reason why it works in that tribe is because EVERYONE is doing it. It's essentially conformity - everyone is doing it, no shame in it thus it is normal and society is fine.

    Though the argument in question is sort of weird; you're comparing two extremes (fully clothed aka hijab and nek-ed) and saying if one exists the other shouldn't (effectively). Perhaps a better argument would be well if society can work fine without clothing why should we wear clothes (as opposed to why wear the hijab, which is the exact polar opposite of bein nek-ed)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaikah View Post


    Why don't you ask them what is stopping them from stripping off naked right at that moment, after all, it works for these tribes, right, so why don't they follow along?
    Wa'alykum As-Salam
    Couldn't have said it better, mashallah, very good response sister!

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    hmm...makes me think a little.

    Does it mean all the devil and bad jinn population should gather up around the naked tribes...amazing that there's so many signs of deviltry in civilised world-(fully/or partially clothed people i mean, regardless the religion they belong to) and so little among those tribes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    hmm...makes me think a little.

    Does it mean all the devil and bad jinn population should gather up around the naked tribes...amazing that there's so many signs of deviltry in civilised world-(fully/or partially clothed people i mean, regardless the religion they belong to) and so little among those tribes...
    I suppose that would depend upon one's idea of "deviltry". It is true that the rate of violence is lower, as is the population in question, but all other human ills still exist among "uncivilized" tribes. The difference is that their idea of what constitutes bad behavior is much different than our own. I know that many Amazonian tribes don't see a moral problem with having multiple sexual relationships outside of marriage.


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    Regarding the amazonian tribes and and the sexual affairs outside married life, I can add that neither most of the civilised people- usually male population has no problem with behaving in this manner.

    But i think we are out of topic. Even born and raised in west, I addopted the islamic ideas about fully clothing especially in Asia. The hijab as I noticed is helping alot outdoors, talking strictly about this part of the world. In Europe or US for example we all know it is forbidden in alot of schools, let alone outside you are given all the bad looks if people spot you with hijab.

    In the end we should admire the strenght of those women who stick to their belief and wear the hijab in countries like US or UK or whaterver other. Also maybe those tribes should be left alone with their belief and customs. They certainly cannot harm anyone.

    My question is whether these two habits really suffer any comparision.

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