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    Question Why do Muslims want to move to "Western" countries?


    i was recently reading about how france outlawed the burka and hijab in public as well as head scarves in school. i understand the burka and hijab as being seen as a threat to security as a man could very well be under that black veil, you would not know. it would be a very clever and useful disguise for criminals. i do not undertand the law about head scarves in schools, (also turbin, yarmulka,a nd crucifixes) as i think we are all reminded every day that each person is an individual and should not be forced to make themselves invisible, as most religious people actually identify with their religion as their whole reason for being, they should be able to dress accordingly. some are fat, some are tall, none invisible. if a person did not want themselves to be known then they should stay home.

    the head scarf law reminds me of communist china. next everyone will be forced to wear a uniform in public....? it just doesn't make sense to me. my mother told me when she was a child all women had to conver their heads in church too.

    many people are offended but "when in rome, do as the romans do" right?

    so everyone here has heard that the Muslim world does not agree with "western civilization" so then why are there millions and millions of Muslims living in western countries? why are there lotteries for people desperate to escape their just, fair, loving Muslim communities to live among heathens and temptation and evil? why would you want to move to the UK or the US or France if you know they are countries with Christian forefathers and their laws do no reflect the law of Islam and their people are not all tolerant of Islam?

    why then do people move here and still talk negativly about the place they tried so hard to belong to. why would you want to follow our laws if you find them insulting? why would you want to raise your children here if you do not agree with the values of the society, which your child will surely be exposed to on a daily basis?

    if it is because these western countries offer more money and jobs then why not ask yourself why is my country in peril? have our leaders let us down? have our laws not brought prosperity? have our leaders not invested in our future? instead people leave, rather than being part of the solution they just quit.

    it seems to me if Allah wants you to live a certain way, moving to America does not fit into that equation for millions of reasons.....like not being a Muslims country etc etc


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    Its basically earning and job and work, because of which Muslim families are forced to move. If you really see that which Muslim country populations have moved in large numbers to Europe, you'll be surprised that it is mostly those countries which were colonized by either one of the European countries at a time and it was later the same country which population had moved in large numbers to Europe/West because of lack of job opportunities.

    For example, take the example of Palestine. You will see many palestinians living inside Europe, but you should also see that it was mainly Europe who is responsible for their emigration. How ? Where does Israel get all of its weapons and modern technology to drive out and occupy and kill the Palestinians ? Obviously blind support of AMerica, Canada, UK etc. And so you will see many Palestinian families in Canada and specially in UK etc.

    Take example of Algeria and Tunisia, if you go there, have you ever thought why they speak so much French there ? And so you see their populations in Large number in France because France occupied their regions. Now it is not ONLY because of lack of employment opportunities, but the main reasons they move their is because the occupiers when they leave, they left and devastated their economies as well.

    A good example is Iraq. Wasn't it George Bush saying "We will give Peace and Prosperity and blah blah to Iraq" ... and so the issue of Iraq is crystal clear, we can see how much "peace" there is after such a long time.... and then you mostly see Kurdish people living in USA, because it was USA who supported Saddam at that time and he killed Kurdish people and then refugees fled from Iraq and USA gave them Asylum !

    So there are many examples of Western governments always trying to support the regimes they think are right, in the Middle East countries who then are corrupt and create problems for the citizens of that country and then they flee to other lands where there is, peace... and that is West.

    And then how can We forget the Role of IMF and World Bank. Who give loans in Huge amounts , in their currencies, which are over valued than the country whom they are giving loans to, knowing very well that governments are corrupt, yet they sanction the loan. The government corrupt officials eat up the money and then poor citizens of the county have to bear the wrath of policies formulated by these institutions which in turn create more economic problems, because they cannot pay back the loans in Dollars and Euros while earning their local devalued currencies. And so people run to such lands to save themselves from poverty.

    i can give you tons and tons of examples. But i just want you to ponder over words i have said above and think. If West would stop interfering in the Muslim world affairs, may be we would not be moving there in such numbers....

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    We can move to any part of this earth we like, no one owns USA or UK or other western countries - not you or your govts.

    And its true - nearly every muslim country is a mess and we blame no one but ourselves, its because we abondoned our faith. It has nothing to do with 'have our laws not brought prosperity', its about practicing those laws, look back at the islamic khalifate period - there was no nation on earth more prosperous than the islamic empire, it was due to us sticking to our god's command, as soon as we abondoned the command of Allah, Allah abondoned us.



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    Default Re: Why do Muslims want to move to "Western" countries?


    its not just muslims that want to move to the west, even europeans are looking for work in the big cities etc

    most true muslims dont really want to live in the west. for different people the reasons will be different eg

    personally im here for my education, but since i was born here migrating east seems a bit daunting plus i have freinds and family etc. Also, like myself, alot of muslims born here didnt actually have a choice of where to live. its the call of Allah swt at the end of teh day. perhaps it is our oppurtunity to make dawah.....
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    Don't forget also many are simply born in western countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aadil77 View Post
    it was due to us sticking to our god's command, as soon as we abondoned the command of Allah, Allah abondoned us.
    and we welcomed you all with open arms. the hostility seems misplaced. no?


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    Quote Originally Posted by syed_z View Post
    You will see many palestinians living inside Europe, but you should also see that it was mainly Europe who is responsible for their emigration. How ? Where does Israel get all of its weapons and modern technology to drive out and occupy and kill the Palestinians ? Obviously blind support of AMerica, Canada, UK etc. And so you will see many Palestinian families in Canada and specially in UK etc.
    this makes no sense. "hey europe you sent money to israel so they could kill us and make us leave out homes. now we want to live with you! " not exactly the type of neighbors i'm looking for......

    i don't see mostly kurdish people here.. i see mostly persians and pakistanis in my city.. and it hasn't been along time since iraq war its been a few years. im not even going to get into get into george bush..lol.

    but yea so you pretty much backed up the fact that ther is more money here. you know you will be free. you feel safer. our governments are less corrupt. justice is served...but we are evil and stand against everything you believe in....i don't get it. aadil you actually can't move wherever you want. many countries have restrictions on immigration. a merciful God does not abandon his people. quite the contrary. if muslim countries are bsaed on muslim law then why are they more dangerous like u just said?


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    Default Re: Why do Muslims want to move to "Western" countries?


    It must be human nature. When the americas were discovered many people from Europe moved to the new world to start a new life.

    But don't forget that europeans had killed native americans in the native americans' own land, and later put them in reservations, not giving them much rights etc. Look at your own history before you start picking on others, most of whom are innocent people just trying to live a peaceful life away from all the corruption and troubles your governments have created all over the world.
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    this is not "YOUR" country. Neither your ancestors nor your government bought these lands. These are the common inheritance of human species. We have the RIGHT to go anywhere on earth as Muslims. It does not mean, however, that we also give into the stupid cultures and beliefs of the lands we are migrating to. Why? because its a dynamic process, 50000 years earlier, your very own lands had different cultures which were probably replaced by you or your ancestors. So dont blame us, blame yourselves too for destroying those who came before you.


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    Salaam

    Just because USA is 'benevolent' domestically doesnt translate into 'benevolence' internationally, as any cursory look at the history of the US actions abroad will tell you.

    Lets take Iraq, this is a good summary of what the US efforts to promote 'American values' has achieved in Iraq over the decades.

    "... no American should be allowed to forget that the nation of Iraq, the society of Iraq, have been destroyed, ruined, a failed state. The Americans, beginning 1991, bombed for 12 years, with one excuse or another; then invaded, then occupied, overthrew the government, killed wantonly, tortured ... the people of that unhappy land have lost everything — their homes, their schools, their electricity, their clean water, their environment, their neighborhoods, their mosques, their archaeology, their jobs, their careers, their professionals, their state-run enterprises, their physical health, their mental health, their health care, their welfare state, their women's rights, their religious tolerance, their safety, their security, their children, their parents, their past, their present, their future, their lives ...

    “More than half the population either dead, wounded, traumatized, in prison, internally displaced, or in foreign exile ... The air, soil, water, blood and genes drenched with depleted uranium ... the most awful birth defects ... unexploded cluster bombs lie in wait for children to pick them up ... an army of young Islamic men went to Iraq to fight the American invaders; they left the country more militant, hardened by war, to spread across the Middle East, Europe and Central Asia ... a river of blood runs alongside the Euphrates and Tigris ... through a country that may never be put back together again."
    In fact Millions of Iraqi refugees went to Jordan and Syria, only a trickle went to Europe or the US and (from the european perspective) are busily being repatriated. Its the same all over the world. Pakistan hosts millions of Afghan refugees. So no I dont buy this picture of the Muslim hordes just waiting to get into America.

    Americans like to howl on about how free they are, it would be nice if they could let other countries live in freedom as well.

    On the question of why people emigrate, its obvious, they go where the money is.

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    Some Muslims are only Muslims by name(may Allaah guide them,insha'Allaah) and care about their childrens studies and how important it is to raise them in a Western Country . Some are blinded by the few advantages and don't think about the disadvantages which are many.

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    Lightbulb All Muslims don't want to move to "Western" countries?


    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    The so-called benefits are shrinking because the developing countries ability to attract globally recognized accredited educational institutions. http://collegiateway.org/news/2008-mideast-ivy-league

    But the motivations for Muslims immigrating to the West are various.

    The perception that the majority of countries that are populated by Muslims have leadership that is based upon Quran and Sunnah is a myth. The Shariah is usually applied to the poor and less fortunate which is a fact.

    There are other reasons and motivations for the immigration to the West.

    The corruption has been established since the existence of countries coming out of colonialism.

    The foreign aid accepted by the leadership from Western countries to purchase villas abroad while the country’s population continues in poverty is well documented.

    Those who are apologist for the corrupt stooges only allow everyone to know who they support and what they are about.

    If dedicated Muslims in the West were offered full scholarships to attend Universities like Al Azhar University or University of Al Medina there would be a mass exodus from the West to the East.

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    Default Re: Why do Muslims want to move to "Western" countries?


    to earn money, to eat KFC, and [comment removed]
    You can do all this in muslim countries now as well.

    However your right the biggest reason for people to migrate to the west is for money.

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    i never said i thought america was right or better. i just wanted to know why the majority of *reported opinions is that we are not good and do not hold the same values that muslims hold dear. i would not choose to live in a satanist colony if i thought they could offer me a better job. lol.

    and i'm not saying i don't want muslims here. thats not true at all. and by no means do i wish to generalize the religion based on the extremist views we see on the news. i am fully aware that most muslism are lovely peaceful people. i am fully aware every religion and country has nut jobs.

    i don't agree that people have the right to live wherever they want. thats just not true and never was. you can live wherever you want if you destroy the inhabitants and take it over....i.e. war. but you don't have a right to do that. lol if thats true then what the heck are the palestinians and the israelis fighting over?

    i don't support the war we are in now.
    i have my problems with all governments. havent heard of one being free from corruption yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kashnowe View Post
    and we welcomed you all with open arms. the hostility seems misplaced. no?
    It is not just Muslims who are hostile to the Western world. Come join me on the Pine Ridge Oglala Sioux Reservation and I will introduce you to the Warrior Clan and the Ghost Dancers. There you will see true hostility to the wasichu government. Look at how the Western Government treats it's earliest citizens and then you will cease to wonder why there is hostility. Many Muslims here in the USA were born here and a growing number such as my wife are Native Americans who occupied this land thousands of years before there was a Europe.

    What is amazing is that in spite of 200 years of slavery and ongoing genocide, the Sioux still treat the White invaders with fairness. The European world is the invader, in some cases the Muslims are simply moving home.

    Perhaps the Western Christian world fears the influx of Muslims because of the way the Christian Westerners treated the people of the lands they invaded. Think back as to what the Christian world did to the Muslims of Spain, France, Portugal during the inquisitions or to the Muslim Tatars of Lithuania and Poland during the Crusades of the North. I won't even attempt to speak much about the crusades into the "Holy Land" when the blood of the Jews and Muslims flowed knee deep in Jerusalem.

    The Muslim world can not begin to match the brutality of the Christian invaders as they conquered Europe and the Americas. Nor do very many of us have the desire to sink that low. Muslims have much more reason to fear Christians than Christians have to fear Muslims. You guys have historically been butchers of the civilizations you invaded.

    I will admit not all Christians are like that, but the historical past gives ample reason for non-Christians to fear Christians.

    Now to get back to the original Question on a personal answer: I was born in the USA My wife was born here also and her ancestors have lived here for over 20,000 years, undisturbed until 1492.





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    Why do Muslims want to move to "Western" countries?
    im not sure, good question. maybe its the same reason why western (non-Muslim) women chase after and fall in love with Muslim men whilst believing they are oppressive. now that is what a call joke...and im sure anyone with half a brain would agree. whats also funny is that they also come on forums looking for some kind of revenge...hmm... umm well hello, it may come as a surprise to you, but the man you are after ISN'T here! oops, all the best next time :><:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kashnowe View Post
    and we welcomed you all with open arms. the hostility seems misplaced. no?

    Who are "we"?

    you live in the USA i suspect.

    what's your ancestry?

    were your great-great-great-great-great ...........great-great-great.....great parents USA citizens as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kashnowe View Post
    i never said i thought america was right or better. i just wanted to know why the majority of *reported opinions is that we are not good and do not hold the same values that muslims hold dear. i would not choose to live in a satanist colony if i thought they could offer me a better job. lol.

    and i'm not saying i don't want muslims here. thats not true at all. and by no means do i wish to generalize the religion based on the extremist views we see on the news. i am fully aware that most muslism are lovely peaceful people. i am fully aware every religion and country has nut jobs.

    i don't agree that people have the right to live wherever they want. thats just not true and never was. you can live wherever you want if you destroy the inhabitants and take it over....i.e. war. but you don't have a right to do that. lol if thats true then what the heck are the palestinians and the israelis fighting over?

    i don't support the war we are in now.
    i have my problems with all governments. havent heard of one being free from corruption yet.
    Like america or australia? I mean you do know that the american indians lived in america way before the europeans who took the land by force and preety much destroyed the indians that lived there.
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    My home land is a POS. My parents got the **** out of dodge as soon as.

    In the UK, we have a working legal system, top of the range NHS (without which I personally would not be alive), I can practice my religion freely in a peaceful community and the job prospects in general are amazing (compared to say child labour!). I also cannot get arrested or beaten up by the police for walking down the ****ing road here. Neither can I pay a cop to do either (or both) of those to someone I don't like.

    Sure the Government in UK is probably just as bad as in Pakistan when you break it down, but the standard of living is much better.


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