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    Default Refutation of the Alleged ‘Satanic Verses’



    Intro

    Christian missionaries and anti-Islamics over the years have tainted the image of Islam, fabricating lies against Prophet Muhammad (sa) and completeley defiling his character. One such lie hold against the prophet (sa) is the lie of the ‘Satanic Verses’ , which they call Muhammad’s (sa) compromise with idolatry (nauzubillah). The absurd story goes as follows:

    One day while the Holy Prophet (sa) while praying in a mixed party of the Meccan idolotors and the Muslims was reciting Surah an-Najm and under Satanic inspiration (nauzubillah) added two verses to Surah an-Najm , which are as follows [in brackets]:

    [Qur'an 53:19]
    Have ye seen Lat and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat? [These are the high-flying ones, whose intercession is to be hoped for!]

    The Prophet (sa), it is alleged, recited these along with other verses of Surah an-Najm in the prayer. The idolators of Makkah who were present in the Ka'bah at that time joined him in the prayer because he praised their deities and thus won their hearts. The story afterwards reached Abyssinia where the Muslims, persecuted by the Makkan infidels, had earlier migrated and many of them returned to Makkah under the impression that the disbelievers no longer opposed the Prophet (sa) and the Islamic movement. The story also says that the angel Gabriel came to the Prophet (sa) the same evening and told him about the mistake he had committed by reciting verses which were never revealed to him. This naturally worried the Prophet (sa) and made him apprehensive. 'Admonishing' the Prophet (sa), God revealed the following verses of Surah al-Isra' which read:

    And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend! And had We not given thee strength, thou wouldst nearly have inclined to them a little. In that case We should have made thee taste an equal portion (of punishment) in this life, and an equal portion in death: and moreover thou wouldst have found none to help thee against Us! [Qur'an 17:73-75]

    This made the Prophet (sa) feel very guilty until God revealed the following consoling verse of Surah al-Hajj:

    Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom. [Qur'an 22:52]



    They call this the ‘lapse’ of Muhammad (sa) (nauzubillah). This refutation will explore the sources of the missionary argument and find out if the story holds water.


    Sources of the Missionary argument

    The missionaries have two major sources:

    (1) Ibn Sa'd
    (2) Ibn Jarir al-Tabari




    It is worthy to note that the alleged story was transmitted from al-Waqidi ( Muhammad Ibn Umar ) to Ibn Sa'd who was a known fabricator of events, Imam Al-Shafi'i who was a comtemporary of al-Waqidi and knew him personally has this to say :

    “Al-Waqidi is a liar.”

    and also:

    “In Madeenah there were seven people who used to forge chains of narration. One of them was al-Waqidi.”

    Imam Ibn Hanbal says thus about al-Waqidi:

    “Al-Waqidi is a liar”

    Imam Bukhari who collectted and compiled the most authentic book of ahadith, Shahih Bukhari said he didn't write a single letter by Al-Waqidi. So the credibility of of the story transmitted by al-Waqidi to Ibn Sa'd is zero. Now we'll turn to al-Tabari:

    Al-Tabari mentions the so-called 'Satanic verses' story in his Tarikh as well as an important set of statements in the introduction of his book, which states:
    Let him who examines this book of mine know that I have relied, as regards everything I mention therein which I stipulate to be described by me, solely upon what has been transmitted to me by way of reports which I cite therein and traditions which I ascribe to their narrators, to the exclusion of what may be apprehended by rational argument or deduced by the human mind, except in very few cases. This is because knowledge of the reports of men of the past and of contemporaneous views of men of the present do not reach the one who has not witnessed them nor lived in their times except through the accounts of reporters and the transmission of transmitters, to the exclusion of rational deduction and mental inference. Hence, if I mention in this book a report about some men of the past, which the reader of listener finds objectionable or worthy of censure because he can see no aspect of truth nor any factual substance therein, let him know that this is not to be attributed to us but to those who transmitted it to us and we have merely passed this on as it has been passed on to us
    ( Tarikh al-Tabari: Tarikh al-Umam wal-Muluk p. 550.)


    So what Al-Tabari is basically saying is that don't blame him if what he records sounds fishy, which makes this story unreal. Another element in why the story is not credible from al-Tabari is because , Karen Armstrong in her book Muahmmad [sa] devotes a whole chapter to this subject. In it she says Al-Tabari:

    ‘In his history Tabari preserves a tradition which gives a very different version of the story ’ (p.113)

    Thus both transmitters of this story are unreliable.

    Other Problems with the Story

    Other than the reliability of the transmitters there are also many other problems with this story;

    It is mentioned in the story that after reciting the so called 'Satanic Verses' verse 52 of Surah al-Hajj were revealed in connection with the story, but in reality Surah al-Hajj was revealed 7 or 8 years later which completeley shreads this story to piecies. It is obvious to any rational person that this story is pure fantasy and furthermore, Ibn Hisham who wrote an exahaustive biography of the prophet (sa) never mentiones this story at all.


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    REFRENCES:
    * Islamic-Awareness
    * Karen Armstrong
    * Wikipedia


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    This is a very old subject i know! - I was wondering if this is to what salman rusdie said/claimed?

    And what he said/calimed that made him think in this manner.

    As i've been told before this is an Islamic site and i have no need to cause trouble just learning about things that concern muslims!


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    Quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    This is a very old subject i know! - I was wondering if this is to what salman rusdie said/claimed?

    And what he said/calimed that made him think in this manner.

    As i've been told before this is an Islamic site and i have no need to cause trouble just learning about things that concern muslims!
    This issue predates Rushdi; he only popularized an age-old basless tale by including it in his fiction novel.

    Peace.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl View Post
    This issue predates Rushdi; he only popularized an age-old basless tale by including it in his fiction novel.

    Peace.
    Has his book been discussed on here or is it a forbidden subject?


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    In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.

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    This is the first time i've heard about the satanic verses. Alhamdulillah, i've learnt many things on this site. I knew muslims didnt like Salman Rushdie for defaming the prophet SAW, but i had no idea what he said. what was his book about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdulwaheed View Post
    This is the first time i've heard about the satanic verses. Alhamdulillah, i've learnt many things on this site. I knew muslims didnt like Salman Rushdie for defaming the prophet SAW, but i had no idea what he said. what was his book about?
    Brother, his book is just a filthy attack on the Prophet (saw), really disgusting actually, I haven't read it myself and nor do I plan to but here is a taste of his vulgar style:

    Prophet Abraham (as) is called a 'bast***' (nauzubillah) p.95
    He calls Salman al-Farsi (ra) 'some sort of bum' , Hazrat Bilal (ra) an 'enormous black monster' [nauzubillah] (pgs 101-102)


    Diffenitley a sick man who deserved his punishment. He also frequently calls prophet Muhammad (saw) 'Mahound' in his book, just like Christians did in the time of the crusades.

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    I recently saw Rushdi on cnn i never knew who he was. Recently i read about his book and was going to post it on this site for refutation but alhumdillaah that was amazing refutation.

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    Reply to alpiana for copy/pasting absurdities from Kuffar at ****** .>Alleged Satanic Verses


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    i think it's really sad how some have to make up lies about islam in order to refute it. it's one thing if you don't agree with the beliefs, it's another thing to pull fiction from your bum and call it fact.

    oh well...they only hurt themselves


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    NoName55, bro I don't think you should spend time refuting things like that. it's loss of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilah View Post
    i think it's really sad how some have to make up lies about islam in order to refute it. it's one thing if you don't agree with the beliefs, it's another thing to pull fiction from your bum and call it fact.

    oh well...they only hurt themselves
    are you being abusive towards me or the kuffaar?

    Edit: even if you are addressing the kuffar, you are still using profanities

    Edit 2
    I dont make thing up but he does:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/758071-post2.html (Conversion by the Sword and other misconceptions.)
    http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...tml#post758071
    Last edited by NoName55; 06-06-2007 at 11:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoName55 View Post
    are you being abusive towards me or the kuffaar?

    Edit: even if you are addressing the kuffar, you are still using profanities

    Edit 2
    I dont make thing up but he does:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/758071-post2.html (Conversion by the Sword and other misconceptions.)
    http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...tml#post758071
    hey, don't be so defensive, i wasn't refering to you but to the ones making the allegations


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    2.106] Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?


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    ^^ this is refutation not debating forum, so be gone and cease and desist from dirtying this thread, your nonsense has been dealt with by me, in another thread, go find and read that
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    Quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    2.106] Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
    this is the why just relying on the english translation is dangerous....if you go to the arabic text, you'd see that 'communication' is the word 'aya' which can mean 'verse' or 'miracle'. Furthermore, that section of quran was talking about the people of the book, the people of Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (AS)... the miracles of Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (AS) have long been forgotten and have been replaced with a better miracle, the quran...al hamdullilah....

    "Whichever Ayah We relinquish or cause to be forgotten We replace it with its equal or with that which is greater, did you not know that God is capable of all things?" 2:106

    What the interpreters claim is that this verse confirms that some Quranic verses are invalidated by others. They interpret ‘Ayah’ in this verse to mean a verse in the Quran.

    However the word Ayah, as used in the Quran, can have one of four different meanings:

    a- It could mean a miracle from God as in:

    "And We supported Moses with nine profound Ayah’s (miracles)." 17:101

    b- It could also mean an example for people to take heed from as in:

    "And the folk of Noah, when they disbelieved the messengers, We have drowned them and set an Ayah (example) of them for all people." 25:37

    c- The word ‘Ayah’ can also mean a sign as in:

    "He said, ‘My Lord, give me an ‘Ayah’ (sign).’ He said, ‘Your Ayah is that you will not speak to people for three consecutive nights." 19:10

    d- It could mean a verse in the Quran, as in:

    "This is a book that We have sent down to you that is sacred, perhaps they will reflect on its ‘Ayat’ (verses)." 38:29

    Now if we consider verse 106 of Sura 2, we can easily spot that the word ‘Ayah’ in this particular verse could not mean a verse in the Quran. It can mean any of the other meanings (miracle, example or sign) but not a verse in the Quran. This is because of the following reasons:

    1- The words "cause to be forgotten" could not be applicable if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a verse in the Quran. How can a verse in the Quran become forgotten? For even if the verse was invalidated by another (as the interpreters falsely claim) it will still be part of the Quran and thus could never be forgotten.

    2- The words "We replace it with its equal" would be meaningless if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for God to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it!

    3- If the word ‘Ayah’ in verse 106 meant a miracle an example or a sign, then all the words of the verse would make perfect sense. The words "cause to be forgotten" can apply to all three meanings and that is what actually happens with the passing of time. The miracles of Moses and Jesus have long been forgotten. We only believe in them because they are mentioned in the Quran.

    Similarly the words "We replace with its equal or with that which is greater" is in line with the miracles of God. God indeed replaces one miracle with its equal or with one that is greater than it. Consider the following verse :

    "And We have sent Moses with Our Ayah’s (miracles or signs) to Pharaoh and his elders proclaiming : ‘I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe’. When he brought them our Ayah’s they laughed at him. Every Ayah We showed them was greater than the one that preceded it." 43:46-48


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