Akulion

It was not actually me that was calling scholars "idiots".
The "I am right all the others are wrong" attitude amounted to consider the work of dozens of Arabic proficient scholars as the work of "idiots".
Only "idiotic" Muslims scholars do not mention a translation countering "missionary" attacks against the Quran.

ur doing it again

Originally Posted by mansio

You really say nonsensical things.

My friend, I have provided you with three different refutations of you allegation and have been quoting authentic sources from the start. It is you who is incapable of admiting defeat, no matter how manifest it may be.

I already pointed out to you that no matter which way you translate tarâ'ib it doesn't make a difference! The bottom line is that the verse says that man is created from fluid issuing from between the man and the woman! Finished. There can be no error in such an understanding. Whether you want to translate tara'ib as pelvic arch, as Muhammad Asad does, or whether you want to translate it as thorax, abdomen, whatever, it makes no difference. Let's use the definition you gave yourself:

It relates only to the part between the waist and the chin.

I agree! This part easily includes the reproductive system!

Why do you mention "sectarian" translators ? Because they are not Muslims and translate tarâ'ib as a Christian translator is supposed to wrongly translate it ?

By 'sectarian' they are not regarded as authorities on the language.

You will never make me believe that Al-Azhar and the Saudi Ministry of Religious Affairs know nothing of tafsirs and submit to Western scholars' opinions. Or is it another example of conspiracy ?

I never said that they didn't know about the tafsir. In fact, I specifically said that they DID know about the tafsir. THIS PROVES THAT YOU ARE NOT EVEN READING MY POSTS! TALK ABOUT NARROW-MINDED!

It is very clear that you have been refuted here with three different explanations and you are simply incapable of admitting your defeat. You are only interested in listening to your own ideas, however blatantly false they may be.

Ansar al Adl

Reproductive organs in humans are BELOW the waist.

"My" ideas are also the ideas of most Quran translators.

You have not answered why Al-Azhar and the Saudi Ministry of Religious Affairs, despite knowing the tafsirs, translate tarâ'ib according to what you call "my" idea and not according to your idea.

Originally Posted by mansio

Ansar al Adl

Reproductive organs in humans are BELOW the waist.

Have you never seen such a diagram?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...my_frontal.png

The waist area clearly includes the reproductive organs, thus a part of tarâ'ib.

"My" ideas are also the ideas of most Quran translators.

A meaningless statement that does not refute any of my three explanations.

You have not answered why Al-Azhar and the Saudi Ministry of Religious Affairs, despite knowing the tafsirs, translate tarâ'ib according to what you call "my" idea and not according to your idea.

Yes, I did answer that. For the third time, read what I wrote about George Sale and his translation plus his footnote.

Mansio are you arab? what knowledge do you have about Islam? Have you memorised the Quran? Studied the hadith etc? Just curious.