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    As-salamu alaykum,

    I would like to know if my understanding stands correct,

    If a person believes Jesus (PBUH) is God and then murders 1,000,000 people and dies without any remorse for his actions and doesn't repent to God but remains a Christian till he dies, will he enter heaven without ANY punishment?

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    Greetings and peace be with you Indian Bro;

    No Christian can judge in the way that God would judge, we have to leave these things to God. In the same way you might ask can an atheist, Catholic, Hindu Jew, Muslim achieve salvation, again these things are in the hands of God.

    We each have an understanding in both our faiths that God is just, compassionate, merciful and forgiving, we have an understanding of both heaven and hell.

    In this life we can only strive to change ourselves and strive to do what we understand is the will of God.

    In the spirit of praying and striving to change ourselves

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    You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.

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    Salam alaykum

    The Bible says similar message like the Quran.

    DO NOT KILL!



    I tell a little story from my life. Zionists killed my husband 20 years ago, then my fiance at 2008, I am muslim and pacifist but needed peace to my mind. How I can get revenge?

    I was thinking few weeks in my mind and create international campaing as The operation teddy bears - teddies to the kids in The Gaza, whose lost they homes, toys, parents, friends. The Teddies sended to kids via Egypt.

    Revenge ftom the pacifist. Do good when someone else makes bad to you.


    From Occupied Palestine:

    We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you Indian Bro;

    No Christian can judge in the way that God would judge, we have to leave these things to God. In the same way you might ask can an atheist, Catholic, Hindu Jew, Muslim achieve salvation, again these things are in the hands of God.

    We each have an understanding in both our faiths that God is just, compassionate, merciful and forgiving, we have an understanding of both heaven and hell.

    In this life we can only strive to change ourselves and strive to do what we understand is the will of God.

    In the spirit of praying and striving to change ourselves

    Eric
    As-salamu alaykum Eric and thanks for your reply.

    I understand that no human-being can question the judgement of God, but from the very little knowledge about Christianity that I have, I understand that Jesus (PBUH) died for the sins of mankind, therefore all Christians enter heaven irrespective of what they do on this Earth. Is this true?

    Salam 3laikum


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    Assalamu'alaikum, Indian Bro.

    I've guessed that you have a question about sin redemption in Christianity, and you assume that murderer will go to heaven without punishment because his sins have been redeemed.

    Maybe Mister Eric H or other Christians can give explanation?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    Assalamu'alaikum, Indian Bro.

    I've guessed that you have a question about sin redemption in Christianity, and you assume that murderer will go to heaven without punishment because his sins have been redeemed.

    Maybe Mister Eric H or other Christians can give explanation?

    As-salamu alaykum brother,

    Thank you for understanding my question, this is precisely what I was asking about.

    Salam 3laikum


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    If a Christian dies right after sinning, they go to heaven, because all sins past, present, AND FUTURE are forgiven when a person believes in Jesus alone for salvation without adding any of their own works.

    Once you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, all of your sins are forgiven. This includes sins you have committed, and sins that you will commit. So if you truly accept Christ, you are spending eternity in heaven with God.

    However, many Christians think: Okay wow, that means I can sin all I want because I'm going to heaven no matter what. This is a very dangerous way of thinking.

    If you have truly accepted Christ, then that person would always try to stay away from sin. If a person just goes oh I'm going to heaven no matter what so I can just do whatever, has that person really accepted Christ?

    Yes, Christians sin. But if they have truly accepted Christ, they will try to stop sinning, not just think that they can do whatever they want because they're saved.

    Kind of like Islam...

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    Greetings and peace be with you ardianto;

    I've guessed that you have a question about sin redemption in Christianity, and you assume that murderer will go to heaven without punishment because his sins have been redeemed.

    Maybe Mister Eric H or other Christians can give explanation?

    Possibly not the answer you are looking for because I feel God works in mysterious ways and beyond my understanding,

    Adam and Eve are thrown out of paradise just for eating forbidden fruit. We could all still be in paradise if it wasn’t for them disobeying God. We have to live in this world with all its troubles just because Adam ate from the tree of knowledge.

    A man is brought before Mosses for gathering firewood on the Sabbath, after Mosses prays, God says to Mosses, take the man out the camp and stones him to death, just for gathering firewood?

    Paul goes out persecuting and killing Christians. He is then struck blind and God changes him, and we know him as St. Paul in the Bible.

    Jesus forgives the adulterous women who is about to be stoned to death for her sins.

    After being condemned to death, scourged, crowned with thorns and nailed to a cross, Jesus prays, forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

    I believe that God was absolutely right and just in all these decisions, but they do not make much sense to me, this confirms that my understanding of God is not that great.

    The bottom line is trusting that God is compassionate, just, fair, forgiving and merciful, I do not believe that I deserve salvation for the sins I have committed, I cannot understand how St. Paul the murder would have his sins forgiven. I cannot fully understand how God would forgive a Catholic Murderer, and if so then why not a Muslim murderer or an atheist murderer also.

    I have to believe that Jesus died to forgive my sins, if I can be forgiven than I have to hope and pray that all sins of mankind can be forgiven, we are asked to pray for all our enemies as well as friends.

    In the spirit of searching for a just, compassionate, merciful and forgiving God

    Eric


    You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceee View Post
    If a Christian dies right after sinning, they go to heaven, because all sins past, present, AND FUTURE are forgiven when a person believes in Jesus alone for salvation without adding any of their own works.

    Once you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, all of your sins are forgiven. This includes sins you have committed, and sins that you will commit. So if you truly accept Christ, you are spending eternity in heaven with God.

    However, many Christians think: Okay wow, that means I can sin all I want because I'm going to heaven no matter what. This is a very dangerous way of thinking.

    If you have truly accepted Christ, then that person would always try to stay away from sin. If a person just goes oh I'm going to heaven no matter what so I can just do whatever, has that person really accepted Christ?

    Yes, Christians sin. But if they have truly accepted Christ, they will try to stop sinning, not just think that they can do whatever they want because they're saved.

    Kind of like Islam...
    As-salamu alaykum brother,

    Thank you for shedding light on this topic. So according to your post, it would be fair to say that the example I used in the opening post would mean the person would be punished in the Day of Judgement?

    Salam 3laikum


    Not a single leaf falls from the trees of the Earth without the permission of Allah سبحانه وتعالى


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you ardianto;




    Possibly not the answer you are looking for because I feel God works in mysterious ways and beyond my understanding,

    Adam and Eve are thrown out of paradise just for eating forbidden fruit. We could all still be in paradise if it wasn’t for them disobeying God. We have to live in this world with all its troubles just because Adam ate from the tree of knowledge.

    A man is brought before Mosses for gathering firewood on the Sabbath, after Mosses prays, God says to Mosses, take the man out the camp and stones him to death, just for gathering firewood?

    Paul goes out persecuting and killing Christians. He is then struck blind and God changes him, and we know him as St. Paul in the Bible.

    Jesus forgives the adulterous women who is about to be stoned to death for her sins.

    After being condemned to death, scourged, crowned with thorns and nailed to a cross, Jesus prays, forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

    I believe that God was absolutely right and just in all these decisions, but they do not make much sense to me, this confirms that my understanding of God is not that great.

    The bottom line is trusting that God is compassionate, just, fair, forgiving and merciful, I do not believe that I deserve salvation for the sins I have committed, I cannot understand how St. Paul the murder would have his sins forgiven. I cannot fully understand how God would forgive a Catholic Murderer, and if so then why not a Muslim murderer or an atheist murderer also.

    I have to believe that Jesus died to forgive my sins, if I can be forgiven than I have to hope and pray that all sins of mankind can be forgiven, we are asked to pray for all our enemies as well as friends.

    In the spirit of searching for a just, compassionate, merciful and forgiving God

    Eric
    As-salamu alaykum,

    Thank you for your well-detailed response to my question.

    Peace be with you.


    Not a single leaf falls from the trees of the Earth without the permission of Allah سبحانه وتعالى


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    Greetings and peace be with you sister harb;

    Quote Originally Posted by sister harb View Post
    Salam alaykum

    The Bible says similar message like the Quran.

    DO NOT KILL!



    I tell a little story from my life. Zionists killed my husband 20 years ago, then my fiance at 2008, I am muslim and pacifist but needed peace to my mind. How I can get revenge?

    I was thinking few weeks in my mind and create international campaing as The operation teddy bears - teddies to the kids in The Gaza, whose lost they homes, toys, parents, friends. The Teddies sended to kids via Egypt.

    Revenge ftom the pacifist. Do good when someone else makes bad to you.
    I am so sorry to hear your story, maybe true revenge against hate and killing; would demand that you also send teddies to the Jewish children who have lost their parents to rockets and suicide bombs.

    In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

    Eric


    You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you ardianto;




    Possibly not the answer you are looking for because I feel God works in mysterious ways and beyond my understanding,

    Adam and Eve are thrown out of paradise just for eating forbidden fruit. We could all still be in paradise if it wasn’t for them disobeying God. We have to live in this world with all its troubles just because Adam ate from the tree of knowledge.

    A man is brought before Mosses for gathering firewood on the Sabbath, after Mosses prays, God says to Mosses, take the man out the camp and stones him to death, just for gathering firewood?

    Paul goes out persecuting and killing Christians. He is then struck blind and God changes him, and we know him as St. Paul in the Bible.

    Jesus forgives the adulterous women who is about to be stoned to death for her sins.

    After being condemned to death, scourged, crowned with thorns and nailed to a cross, Jesus prays, forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

    I believe that God was absolutely right and just in all these decisions, but they do not make much sense to me, this confirms that my understanding of God is not that great.

    The bottom line is trusting that God is compassionate, just, fair, forgiving and merciful, I do not believe that I deserve salvation for the sins I have committed, I cannot understand how St. Paul the murder would have his sins forgiven. I cannot fully understand how God would forgive a Catholic Murderer, and if so then why not a Muslim murderer or an atheist murderer also.

    I have to believe that Jesus died to forgive my sins, if I can be forgiven than I have to hope and pray that all sins of mankind can be forgiven, we are asked to pray for all our enemies as well as friends.

    In the spirit of searching for a just, compassionate, merciful and forgiving God

    Eric
    Greeting and peace be with you too.

    Thank you very much for your explanation. I hope can work together to build peace and tolerance among people of the world.

    Ardianto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indian Bro View Post
    As-salamu alaykum brother,

    Thank you for shedding light on this topic. So according to your post, it would be fair to say that the example I used in the opening post would mean the person would be punished in the Day of Judgement?

    Salam 3laikum
    Salaam.

    Think of your example again. Is it similar to a man who has pre-marital sex?
    Both your example and the example I mentioned seem similar. Both people committed sin.

    Your example: One of the 10 Commandments in Christianity (Thou Shall Not Kill)
    My Example; In Islam, you can only have sex with your spouse (Fornication)


    In Islam, we forgive. Same with Christianity. We forgive once we repent for our sins.
    Only God Can Judge.

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    Greetings and peace be with you Indian Bro;

    Not a single leaf falls from the trees of the Earth without the permission of Allah سبحانه وتعالى
    When I read your signature I smile, very recently I helped a disabled man rake up the leaves in the garden of a day centre. I lost count at around fifty wheelbarrow loads of leaves, but Allah would know the exact amount. All those leaves would be as a grain of sand compared to all the leaves that fall on Earth every year.

    Blessings

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    ^ I envy you, I wish I had the chance to do something like that, it must be very rewarding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you sister harb;



    I am so sorry to hear your story, maybe true revenge against hate and killing; would demand that you also send teddies to the Jewish children who have lost their parents to rockets and suicide bombs.

    In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

    Eric
    Peace with you

    Half of teddies sended via Mavi Marmara ship but Jews kidnapped it.

    Hopely Jewish kids got them. I think that they were confiscated and burnt later.



    From Occupied Palestine:

    We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.




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    I believe that we err when we say, "This person is surely of those of the Hellfire" and of another that, "He is surely among the people of Paradise." As has been mentioned, God is our judge, but I believe we can base our opinions on what we believe God will judge as evidenced by the books we hold as God's Word.

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    Christians can still sin and go to hell says the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    Christians can still sin and go to hell says the Bible.
    As-salamu alaykum,

    Could you please provide a reference for this claim?

    Salam 3laikum


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indian Bro View Post
    As-salamu alaykum,

    Could you please provide a reference for this claim?

    Salam 3laikum
    Wa'alaikum salam.

    I never read Bible because I'm not interested, but I'm familiar with Christian people. Some people in my mother family are Christians, also I have few Christian friends. They believe if they die with full of sins they would go to hell.

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