The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

saeedalyousuf · **The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-09-2005

Osman · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-09-2005

Indeed you are right.

The Qur'an itself could not have been created by a human.

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-09-2005

Brother, why don't you copy and paste your messages here, so we can read them?

JazakAllah khair.

Osman · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-09-2005

He must have thought it would take up too much space.

saeedalyousuf · 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Osman

He must have thought it would take up too much space.

السلام عليكم إخواني الأعزاء المحترمين

Exactly, you are right brother Osman. Besides, I am almost alone facing an army of Atheists and therefore expect you brothers to join in the effort in order to demonstrate our Islamic brotherhood, understanding and cooperation.

والسلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

Saeed

Osman · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-10-2005

Brother you shouldn't have to do this alone. When the last hour comes it will be too late for them and it will be us who are at fault which is why it is our duty to invite towards the way of Islam, the natural path. Perhaps what will help them to come to the truth more, along with your significant proofs, is an example of an atheist themselves converting to Islam. What say ye?

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-10-2005

But I was really interested in reading your points brother saeed!

root · 06:22 PM

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From my past discussion with the Atheists I have come to the conclusion that the Holy Qur'an is undeniably the uncorrupted message of Allah. I am posting the following links for corroboration:

I had a look at your suggestion:

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Don't you read anyone else's posts dude or dood or doud?

There is NO creator. There is NO creation.

Prove otherwise. I DARE you. LOL!

Only problem you have is that it's a minority view

Regards

Root

Silver Pearl · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-11-2005

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Originally Posted by root

Only problem you have is that it's a minority view

Regards

Root

peace,

I will probably have to agree but the majority of the world does not care about the hereafter, they have no desire to spare a minute to the creator. They create doubts and dismiss the existence of an omnipotent being or substance. Allah (swt) knows best of his form. However, there shall come a time where the true path will conquer but sadly the upraising of al-messah ad-dajjal will cause many to stray.

regards,

CE

root · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-11-2005

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I will probably have to agree but the majority of the world does not care about the hereafter,

I think you will be quite surprised. Besides, by breaking free from religous oppression in the extreme we have become more aware of an Evolving planet and it's consequences both present and in the future. Mankind acting now & together for a future on the planet is probably at the afore of thier minds and not salvation of one's self.

Besides, your faith itself would better have a good non muslim than a bad muslim.

Silver Pearl · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-11-2005

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I think you will be quite surprised.

peace,

I doubt that very much….

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Besides, by breaking free from religous oppression in the extreme

The concept of extremism and oppression has been a terminology widely used by people who preach the rights of ‘freedom’ hypocrisy is very popular with man-kind more than we are let to believe sadly.

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we have become more aware of an Evolving planet and it's consequences both present and in the future.

However, few people dwell on such issue and actually think about the consequence.

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Mankind acting now & together for a future on the planet is probably at the afore of thier minds and not salvation of one's self.

selfishness no doubt has a great place in this time and the future.

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Besides, your faith itself would better have a good non muslim than a bad muslim.

I fail to understand the implication of this point…what do you mean to say exactly?

regards,

CE

root · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-12-2005

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Originally Posted by Crystal Eyes

I doubt that very much….

The concept of extremism and oppression has been a terminology widely used by people who preach the rights of ‘freedom’ hypocrisy is very popular with man-kind more than we are let to believe sadly.

Of course this is just an opinion of both yours and mine. With yours being a minority opinion.

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Besides, your faith itself would better have a good non muslim than a bad muslim.

One of your prophets said that in reference to a non beleivers judgement. In that it is better (in the eyes of allah) to be a good non Muslim than a Bad Muslim? Maybe you will be best placed to expand on that.

Silver Pearl · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-12-2005

peace,

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Of course this is just an opinion of both yours and mine. With yours being a minority opinion.

You hold this arrogant sense of attitude while you reply...i hope the majority of the world are not like you. Opinions are a personal view, now my view can not be measured to be with the minority unless you've done research yourself…if you have then do enlighten us by posting the statistics.

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One of your prophets said that in reference to a non beleivers judgement. In that it is better (in the eyes of allah) to be a good non Muslim than a Bad Muslim? Maybe you will be best placed to expand on that.

Well could you state which prophet (pbuh)? Or else there is no point in dwelling in such issue if we do not have evidence for the point we want to discuss about.

regards,

CE

root · **Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence -** 04-13-2005

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You hold this arrogant sense of attitude while you reply

I am sorry if you feel this way, but if we look at the title of this thread:

The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

Are you trying to say that statement is a majority opinion, and do you not find an arrogance about it.

Regards

Root

Khattab · 02:07 PM

No way is that the Quran is seen by the majority as the "Irrefutable Evidence". There have been more in the past and now who have rejected it or followed a different way. This is also told to us by Allah (SWT), many times throughout the Holy Qu'ran.

"Do they not look at the earth,- how many noble things of all kinds We have produced therein? Verily, in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. " (26:8-9)

"The Hour will certainly come: Therein is no doubt: Yet most men believe not. "(40:59)

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saeedalyousuf Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 5 Reputation: 12 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Apr 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence - 04-09-2005 From my past discussion with the Atheists I have come to the conclusion that the Holy Qur'an is undeniably the uncorrupted message of Allah. I am posting the following links for corroboration: 1- General Evidence: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ction=m&mid=97 2- Pharaoh's Body http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...16956&mid=3756 3- Prophecies: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...tion=m&mid=216 4- The expanding universe: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ion=m&mid=2190 5- The Roman army & the Dead Sea: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action...916956&mid=776 6- The Periodic Law: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ion=m&mid=1349 7- The Diaspora: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ction=m&mid=27 " 8- Knowing Allah: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...tion=m&mid=306 9- Challenge to Atheism: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ion=m&mid=1720 10- Guarantee of the human life: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...tion=m&mid=131 Saeed H H Alyousuf

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Osman Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 3,571 Reputation: 16416 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Warrington, England Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence - 04-09-2005 Indeed you are right. The Qur'an itself could not have been created by a human.

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Ansar Al-'Adl Administrator Status: Offline Posts: 5,161 Reputation: 13017 Rep Power: 45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence - 04-09-2005 Brother, why don't you copy and paste your messages here, so we can read them? JazakAllah khair. __________________ The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik] Visit Ansâr Al-'Adl's personal page HERE. Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

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Osman Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 3,571 Reputation: 16416 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Warrington, England Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence - 04-09-2005 He must have thought it would take up too much space.

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Osman Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 3,571 Reputation: 16416 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Warrington, England Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence - 04-10-2005 Brother you shouldn't have to do this alone. When the last hour comes it will be too late for them and it will be us who are at fault which is why it is our duty to invite towards the way of Islam, the natural path. Perhaps what will help them to come to the truth more, along with your significant proofs, is an example of an atheist themselves converting to Islam. What say ye?

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Ansar Al-'Adl Administrator Status: Offline Posts: 5,161 Reputation: 13017 Rep Power: 45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence - 04-10-2005 But I was really interested in reading your points brother saeed! __________________ The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik] Visit Ansâr Al-'Adl's personal page HERE. Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

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Khattab Slave of Allah Status: Offline Posts: 567 Reputation: 543 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Dec 2004 Way of Life: Muslim	Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence - 04-13-2005 No way is that the Quran is seen by the majority as the "Irrefutable Evidence". There have been more in the past and now who have rejected it or followed a different way. This is also told to us by Allah (SWT), many times throughout the Holy Qu'ran. "Do they not look at the earth,- how many noble things of all kinds We have produced therein? Verily, in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. " (26:8-9) "The Hour will certainly come: Therein is no doubt: Yet most men believe not. "(40:59) __________________ *"Lo! the Hour is surely coming, there is no doubt thereof; yet most of mankind believe not." (Al-Ghafir:59)* Last edited by Khattab; 04-13-2005 at 02:07 PM.