Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

So how did you interpret that as Munafiqeen?! You say that the verse is referring to munafiqeen and the scholars say it is referring to those Muslims who enjoin the good and forbid the evil.

Brother I feel sad to see that u never fail to misquote me. I never said that ALLAH is referrig to munafiqeen. Plz read my posts carefully. Its only me on this forum to claim that ALLAH is referring to muslims. Others were just refuting my claim.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by justahumane

Brother I feel sad to see that u never fail to misquote me. I never said that ALLAH is referrig to munafiqeen. Plz read my posts carefully. Its only me on this forum to claim that ALLAH is referring to muslims. Others were just refuting my claim.

You said that it includes the 'fake' Muslims who are not practicing their religion, i.e. the munafiqeen and the faasiqeen. On what basis?

Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

You said that it includes the 'fake' Muslims who are not practicing their religion, i.e. the munafiqeen and the faasiqeen. On what basis?

Brother why dont u quote exactly what I wrote? I still say that I never said any such thing.

Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

So how did you interpret that as Munafiqeen?! You say that the verse is referring to munafiqeen and the scholars say it is referring to those Muslims who enjoin the good and forbid the evil.

Also posted By brother Ansar
You said that it includes the 'fake' Muslims who are not practicing their religion, i.e. the munafiqeen and the faasiqeen. On what basis?

Brother Ansar,

Plz quote my words exactly and make things clear, or just delete ur posts.

I know U are respected administrator of this forum, and I have all the regards for U too, but this doesnt means that U can write whatever U want to without any proper basis?

I hope U understand me. Plz do the needfull.

Thanks.

Greetings,

I believe brother Ansar may have been specifically quoting czbgibson rather than you. However, your points were pretty much the same and therefore his comment still stands. You believe the verse was referring to all Muslims and not true Muslims. Therefore Munafeqeen fall into that category and the question is still valid.

Peace.

Hello Justahumane,
You said

But ya, I m talking about majority of muslims, who inspite of taking shahada, chose to stray from the real path of islam, chose to violate laws of holy quran, chose to disobey ALMIGHTY ALLAH.

Here you are talking about faasiqeen and munaafiqeen who don't really practice Islam. Well the verse is very clear that the best nation is the one who enjoins what is good and forbids what is evil, so if these people don't do that, this verse doesn't apply to them.

Regards

Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

Hello Justahumane,
You said

Here you are talking about faasiqeen and munaafiqeen who don't really practice Islam. Well the verse is very clear that the best nation is the one who enjoins what is good and forbids what is evil, so if these people don't do that, this verse doesn't apply to them.

Regards

Well I regret not to work hard on my english, I too could had made U understand had I done that. Well brother NO. I dont mean what U understand. I said that I m talking about majority of muslims, but I should have used the phrase so called muslims, which would be more appropriate.

I only want to say that the verse in question is speaking to muslims, who are supposed to submit to the will of ALLAH. And thats the defination of muslim, one who submit to the will of ALLAH. Those who dont submit to will of ALLAH are not muslims, but munafiqeens,fasiqeen, or kafireen. And this verse is not for them, coz they are not muslims.

So brother Ansar,my point is only that there are very few who really submit to the will of ALLAH, and they offcourse fall in catagory of muslims, and ALLAH is addressing here to muslims. As U have urself admitted, that this verse doesnt apply to them who are fasiqeen and munafiqeen.

So if anyone claims that there are 1 billion plus muslims today, than definetely he is trying to negate this verse. Its so simple brother. LOUD AND CLEAR.

3:110 Ye(muslims) are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

Brother where is doubt? ALLAH is talking to muslims or not? How many muslims today can really stand up and claim that ALLAH is adressing them? Those who can are muslims, and those who cant are munafiqeens,fasiqeen, or kafireen. How sad that I couldnt made u understand this simpe fact. Is it clear now brother?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by justahumane

Well I regret not to work hard on my english, I too could had made U understand had I done that. Well brother NO. I dont mean what U understand. I said that I m talking about majority of muslims, but I should have used the phrase so called muslims, which would be more appropriate.

I only want to say that the verse in question is speaking to muslims, who are supposed to submit to the will of ALLAH. And thats the defination of muslim, one who submit to the will of ALLAH. Those who dont submit to will of ALLAH are not muslims, but munafiqeens,fasiqeen, or kafireen. And this verse is not for them, coz they are not muslims.

So brother Ansar,my point is only that there are very few who really submit to the will of ALLAH, and they offcourse fall in catagory of muslims, and ALLAH is addressing here to muslims. As U have urself admitted, that this verse doesnt apply to them who are fasiqeen and munafiqeen.

So if anyone claims that there are 1 billion plus muslims today, than definetely he is trying to negate this verse. Its so simple brother. LOUD AND CLEAR.



Brother where is doubt? ALLAH is talking to muslims or not? How many muslims today can really stand up and claim that ALLAH is adressing them? Those who can are muslims, and those who cant are munafiqeens,fasiqeen, or kafireen. How sad that I couldnt made u understand this simpe fact. Is it clear now brother?

Thanks.

I know that you were addressing brother Ansar but now I am confused.
One reason would be that you and czbgibson probably were not talking abotu the same thing.
Please explain further if you will. Basically what is your conclusion?
Peace.

Originally Posted by Cheb

I know that you were addressing brother Ansar but now I am confused.
One reason would be that you and czbgibson probably were not talking abotu the same thing.
Please explain further if you will. Basically what is your conclusion?
Peace.

Brother Cheb,

In fact brother Ansar misunderstood me, I never said that ALLAH is talking about munafiqeen or fasiqeen. There is no doubt that ALLAH is talking to muslims. But today's muslims (majority of) simply contradict this verse.

So brother conclusion is simple, if this verse is true, than it terribly shrinks Islam as a religion!!! Islamists have to think seriously while boasting about swelling numbers of muslims today. Specially when quranic laws have become obsolete and stale. A very little doubt remains.

My humble opinion only brother, I may be wrong too, but ALLAH knows the best.

Thanks.