Originally Posted by Alphaseed

God has many sons But only One Begotten Son

Peace:

Actually, no He isn't, as posted above. There is another begotten son. Psalms 2:7: "...Thou, (O David) art my son, this day have I (God) begotten thee.

Ummm, David was also 40 years old at the time.

Peace,
Hana
:sis:

Originally Posted by Alphaseed

God has many sons But only One Begotten Son

thats what YOU think!!!

Does Christian Gods have daughters? Why favour to have son?

Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe

This is arguable. If Allah 'created' you, you can certainly call him 'creator' or as we say here, for those who create us... father.

It's poetic.

Ninth Scribe

HE Created us...we weren't ""born"" from him...

Originally Posted by Alphaseed

God has many sons But only One Begotten Son

God has NO begotten sons

"He begot none, nor was he begotten"

Qur'an, Surah 112

Originally Posted by Aalimah

God has NO begotten sons

"He begot none, nor was he begotten"

Qur'an, Surah 112

we kno that but like i sed thats what HE thinks, that god has sons

Originally Posted by Aalimah

HE Created us...we weren't ""born"" from him...

Poetic license, dear. Born and Created are relatives ;)

Ninth Scribe

Peace to those who follow righteous guidance
Well its a joke isnt it? one comes out every other day. (the copy of the bible, i mean)

Originally Posted by Hana_Aku

Peace:

Actually, no He isn't, as posted above. There is another begotten son. Psalms 2:7: "...Thou, (O David) art my son, this day have I (God) begotten thee.

Ummm, David was also 40 years old at the time.

Peace,
Hana
:sis:

You're sharp to have caught that... the Bene Elohim (Sons of God=Wise Council) were all acknowledged at 40 years of age. Abu Musab Zarqawi, I believe, will be coming of age this October.

The confusion is caused by tribal conditions - not all tribes used the same words. What means 'honor' on one side of the river means 'payment' on the other. Language is just like that. We have more fun decyphering the differences between British English and American English, for example:

A British man walks into an American bar and asks the bartender for a fag.

In British English, this means he wants a cigarette. In American English this means he wants a male lover.

I don't know how the title Bene Elohim became misunderstood, but I suspect some 'mystic' types read more into the records than what was recorded. Some of them even wrote about how the Bene Elohim were Angels ~ and I almost fell out of my chair laughing! The human condition... it can be so amusing... at times.

Ninth Scribe

1 John 2:22 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

1 John 2;

22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Salam Alaikum and Peace:

The confusion is caused by tribal conditions - not all tribes used the same words. What means 'honor' on one side of the river means 'payment' on the other. Language is just like that.

And that explains perfectly the problem of translated translations of translated translations of the books of the Bible over the past 2000 years. Unfortunately, none of the original documents remain of the Zubur, Torah or Injeel. Many liberties, both intentional and unintentional, were taken when translating/copying manuscripts over the years. It is well documented by both Biblical and Christian scholars that many copyists manipulated, added and altered words/verses to have them say what was in their "group's" best interest. It is also the reason the Bible will continue to be edited and revamped as more documents/manuscripts are found.

According to Dr. Raymond Brown, a very well-known and respected Scholar, "...John 3:16 and 1:18 use the Greek word MONOGENES in Greek. This ordinarily means "of a single kind". As a result, "unique" is a good translation. The reason you sometimes find a translation that renders the word as "only begotten" has to do with an ancient heresy within the church. In response to the Arian claim that Jesus was made but not begotten, Jerome (4th century) translated the Greek term MONOGENES into Latin as UNIGENITUS ("only begotten")..."

The above paragraph tells us that the innovated idea of Jesus, pbuh, being the "only begotten son" of the Father was created in the 4th century. It was added by Jerome into the Latin Bible to refute the claims made by Bishop Arius and others that the Father alone was God; and Jesus, pbuh, was created and NOT begotten. Because Jesus, pbuh, was born to the virgin Mary He was unique, but it was never said He was the MOST unique. His creation was unique, but so was Adam's creation unique....born of no mother or father and also considered a "son of God".

Using the word "unique" when translating many versions of the bible (at least into English), is becoming more common and accepted and brings that verse a little closer to the truth.

Wasalam and Peace,
Hana

Originally Posted by Alphaseed

1 John 2:22 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

1 John 2;

22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Thank you for bringing up the Book of John... another fine example to shed some much needed light on this issue.

John 1:11 and 12:

He came unto his own, but his own received him not. But for those who received him,
to them he gave the means to become the Sons of God.

Jesus understood this title. John understood this title. In fact, a good majority of the Holy Men (fathers) of the times... understood this title!
Also, contemplate more on the origin of the word 'Christ' and maybe you'll see a small shaft of light to explain the confusions.

My 'companion' knows these records quite well, so be sure you're up to the challenge ;)

Ninth Scribe

Originally Posted by Hana_Aku

Salam Alaikum and Peace:

The above paragraph tells us that the innovated idea of Jesus, pbuh, being the "only begotten son" of the Father was created in the 4th century. It was added by Jerome into the Latin Bible to refute the claims made by Bishop Arius and others that the Father alone was God; and Jesus, pbuh, was created and NOT begotten. Because Jesus, pbuh, was born to the virgin Mary He was unique, but it was never said He was the MOST unique. His creation was unique, but so was Adam's creation unique....born of no mother or father and also considered a "son of God".

Wasalam and Peace,
Hana

Well, this is because the Book of Generations was broken, but it's nothing that can't be repaired. The Greek translations did serious damage, though I still find it amsuing, things like calling the Nephilim, giants. I would have called them "Godless a--holes" but what ever. Rome, or more specifically, Constantine, really mixed things up by giving the attributes of Sol Invictus (Persian import of the Sun God, Mithras) to Jesus so they could have a day to celebrate his birth. I'm sure that seemed like a harmless transfer of tradition at the time, but... man, does it make my head spin when added to all the other tamperings and misunderstandings. All the fighting now isn't helping my cause either (it's a big distraction), but it comes as no surprize to me.

Ninth Scribe

Abu Musab Zarqawi, I believe, will be coming of age this October.

come on Ninth Scribe admit, Zarkawi is one of you guys, you got him to join you when he was still a drug dealer in jail right?

but lady, let me tell you a good fact you need to know, the day drug dealers are chosen by God is the day when pigs fly, okey doke :okay: (such people are chosen but only by Sayateen/Jinn/Aliens or human Sayateen)

Originally Posted by Link

Come on Ninth Scribe admit, Zarkawi is one of you guys...

A varient and a statement that just landed you in strange territory....

Just which one of 'you guys' do you think I am?

ROFLMAO... think carefully now... Who am I?

Ninth Scribe aka: ??????