When you say image of the invisible god do you mean he is god in person?!

yes-- that is what I know Him best...

Ok-I will discuss later g2g

ok ttyl

kabala is teaching stemming from people who followed sorcery from Satan (attributed to Sulaiman (as) ), some jews follow it, freemasons are crazy about it

(see suratal baqara "...threw God's book behind their backs as if they knew nothing, and they followed the sorcery.."

Kabalastic jews and freemasons are the same people, they stem from one another

ma'asaalma

...wooooow...find the answer in suratul ikhlas...

Originally Posted by PrIM3

hey Ninth Scribe

well I am sure you probally already know this... or what ever... but maybe Jesus was married but metaphorically I guess (its safe for me to say).. many times in the Bible it states that Jesus will come back to take His bride back agian... idk

Ah, the 'bride' of Malkuth (Earth)... am aware of this document, but didn't know it had been hijacked for use in early Christian Gnosism. My. Can you post some of your sources? I'd love to read them.

Boy this keeps getting deeper~~~~

Ninth Scribe

Originally Posted by Link

kabala is teaching stemming from people who followed sorcery from Satan.

ma'asaalma

Sort of... what it has become is certainly NOT what it once was. My companion told me about this quite some time ago. The story went something like this:

At a time, when trust was a commodity, the Malakhim were not always able to deliver their messages. Occassionaly these messages would be intercepted and securities could be breached. When Kabala was revealed, only to the trusted (see Sons of God), to be handed down the generations by oral teaching only, the messages that were intercepted only read simple prayers such as: May God, the Most High, bless you. To the ignorant, this statement had no value. To the ones who had knowledge, it would read: The queen is ill today, but it is nothing serious. Quite alot of intelligence could be gathered and transmitted effectively by such means.

Today, we call this 'encryption' and use it exactly the same way. Of course, no one could ever convince the mystics of that. They see what ever they want to.

Ninth Scribe

Originally Posted by PrIM3

may I ask you what is your input on the term "son"?

I think the Quran was trying to clear up the misunderstanding for those who actually thought that God took sexual relations with a human being... and then had a son

It's Surah 9:30 that takes a stab at the title, and while I get the accusation against the Christians (back to Constantine again), I couldn't believe the accusation against the Jews. Completely blew my mind, because the title was often recorded and completely understood... which (whoa... rant alert) is why I'm so pissed off at Kaab al Ahbar. That little weasle knew NOTHING of Judean records and was not an 'authority' of them... or he would have TOLD the Muslim people this was a common title!!!

Whew... there... I feel better. This title was hijacked later to be applied to a sole son of God, but that was not the context this title was used, back in the day.

Ninth Scribe

Ninth Scribe, I've been on sites where people discuss it and the same people into it seems to be into Wicca stuff aswell, anyhow, if you can teach me it (i'm learning irfan and inshallah don't and won't deny spiritual truths and love of knowledge of the self, believe everything has a spirit etc), but kabala to me seems to have an outside look of spirituality but when actually getting into it, to me it looks like it get's you further away from God and into dark paths, I might misunderstand alot of it but it might just the people I met

You seem to be a monothiest with strong faith, so I would like to hear it from you, if you don't like doing that on the forum, perhaps pm me

if kabala is mystic teachings of knowledge, then it is the equivalent to sufism in sunni islam and irfan in shia islam, but to me so far it seems it is just the opposite of that

your brother in humanity, thanks

Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe

Ah, the 'bride' of Malkuth (Earth)... am aware of this document, but didn't know it had been hijacked for use in early Christian Gnosism. My. Can you post some of your sources? I'd love to read them.

Boy this keeps getting deeper~~~~

Ninth Scribe

ok... hope this is what your asking for-

Matthew 9:15
Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.

John 3:29
The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete.

Revelation 19:7
Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory for the wedding of the Lamb has come and his bride has made herself ready

Revelation 21:2
I saw the Holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

Revelation 21:9
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the lamb."

i wud just like to repeat none

Thanks

Originally Posted by Abd'Majid

i wud just like to repeat none

Thanks

None what?

sorry for being so rude or mean.. but I believe you are just being ignorant of the facts... as I said before Son does not mean in a literall way like a son between his/her mom/dad...

but if you say there is no son or Son of God then I would have to state that there is no son of the road... because that is the same thing but different metaphors..

Originally Posted by Alphaseed

1 John 2:22 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

1 John 2;

22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

exactly this is how we know who is of God and who is of Satan.

Originally Posted by PrIM3

None what?

sorry for being so rude or mean.. but I believe you are just being ignorant of the facts... as I said before Son does not mean in a literall way like a son between his/her mom/dad...

but if you say there is no son or Son of God then I would have to state that there is no son of the road... because that is the same thing but different metaphors..

ur makin life difficult lol, lets take it in the literal sence shall we and its NONE