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| Junior Member Status: Offline Posts: 49 Reputation: 9 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Apr 2006 Way of Life: Undisclosed | The Answer you seek is not found in science, as science can only test what it can see and touch, it is limited to this tridimensional world. When God created man, he created him in his image, that is spiritually, and if God is eternal so are we. But science tells you that no energy is ever lost, it simply changes to another form, that is all you can use of science to prove a spirit world, yet in the scriptures you can find the answer. What we should worry is , where do we spend eternity??? |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 386 Reputation: 152 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hot Springs Ark. USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian | Alphaseed, when you say the answers a person seeks are not always found through science, that is a very true statement. Alphaseed, as an interesting aside, way back in the dark ages when I first started studying electronics, I was taught that one of the first rules of our universe is that energy is neither created or destroyed. It is simply converted from one form to another. This was further refined to show that matter could be converted to energy (E=MC2), but the inverse was discounted. Since then it has been proved at a college in Texas (Texas A&M, if I remember correctly) that energy can be converted to mass. Root, somehow I suspect the implication of what I have posted has sort of bypassed you. sci•ence n. 1. a. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. b. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena. c. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study. 2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science. 3. An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing. 4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience. 5. Science Christian Science. Root, where did I say this "If you thought that science was certain — well, that is just an error on your part"? Root “It does answer it and is not lacking”. No, it doesn’t answer the question of the supernatural or the existence of God or the spirit world. Root “There is no reason to suggest the supernatural exits”. My post not only shows why there is a suggestion that the supernatural exists, it also shows that for me it is a certainty. Root “I don't look to science for answers since science does not give answers”, you need to decide which side of the fence you are sitting on. Root “Science does not really prove anything. It merely offers a probability”. Root, what is the boiling point of fresh water at sea-level here on Earth? Why does water boil? What effect does elevation changes have on the temperature required to boil water, ect. ? Root I am not sure you will grasp this but your denial of God, based on your understanding of what science proves or disproves, is rather like those who believe in God but who also deny evolution. I will be so bold as to state that at some point in the future, atheistic beliefs based on science, will be viewed with the same ridicule that the religious anti-evolution views based on religious texts, are today. To be a little less cryptic, you are ignoring all opposing evidences as well. “Those who have ears let them hear” Root, will you explain exactly what you mean with this statement, it might be interesting, “Scriptures are too modern a phenomenon and I prefer older text to look at the "big questions"? Thanks Nimrod |
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| save $ 4 hajj Status: Offline Posts: 5,821 Reputation: 30714 Rep Power: 67 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | we believe there are other than human being, other species (jinn) living in this world that we cannot see with our naked eyes... as it had been mentioned in the quran... |
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| IB Oldtimer Status: Offline Posts: 2,727 Reputation: 760 Rep Power: 26 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orlando,Florida U.S.A Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | if you were to ask my why do i believe what I believe without seeing any miracles or anything or seeing any proof ...my answer is I believe what our prophet s.a.w and Allah s.w.t has said.<<<(period/fullstop)
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| IB Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 8,459 Reputation: 22729 Rep Power: 61 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Penang Island, Malaysia Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I believe: God's creatures are 1) Angels 2) Satans 3) Jinns (includes the ghosts, aliens, bigfoots) 4) Animals 5) Plants |
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When I set my mind to pondering that question, I first looked toward science for answers. While science is the source to the answers It's a valid point but I feel it is misplaced. You are pondering an hypothosis with your spirits and afterlife. As such science will not and cannot "give you answers". Quote:
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If you heat water at an altitude of 500ft you need to heat it to 100.5c. to get it to boil. At 1000ft you need to obtain a temurature of 101.0c for the water to boil. We can calculate the differing tempuratures required to achieve a boiling point of water at a given altitude. (this is mathmatical and thus a given fact. If I throw a stone, I could calculate how much energy is required for the stone to travel a set distance. Again this is mathmatical and will offer an absolute truth just like the boling point of water. Of course, like I explained about "why" gravity does what it does and why "water boils" at a set tempurature cannot be given as absolute truth, only the best "guess" based on current understanding on the world around us. As you can see, it's not that I am sitting in the fence. Religion seems to imply it offers "absolute truth", depending on what religion you actually subscribe to. Science, does not. It either supports an idea or it does not. To come full circle science does not support the existence of the supernatural. Quote:
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Finally, a quick question for you. Why do you suppose that when someone sees a "Ghost" they consider it to be a spirit and not a time traveler? | |||||||||||
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 386 Reputation: 152 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hot Springs Ark. USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian | Root, I hope you will take the time to re-read this thread. You seem to be missing many of the finer points of what I have posted. As to your quick question, which do you feel is more probable and why? Thanks Nimrod |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 9,097 Reputation: 26435 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Dec 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I belive because....things have happened to me....although I was born a Muslim, I was just known to be one by name, as I grew older I just did things cos my parents said that I'm a muslim, as time went on, I strayed from the straight path. I found myself helpless, with nobody to turn to... And I remembered what my parents once said, if u ask Allah, then Allah will help you. So I did exactly that, in hope to get help from him. Within a month, my situations changed completely, things that I thought would never be put straight, I don't want to disclose here...But things that were far beyond any help, were solved, all because of one SINCERE prayer... |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 386 Reputation: 152 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hot Springs Ark. USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian | Root perhaps a 3rd reading is in order for you. I do find it mildly interesting that you have at the same time attempted to dismiss all that I have stated, yet you seem to indorse time travel as a possible explanation for what I have stated. You have asked why I answered your question with a question. It is because your answers raise larger questions than those you seek to disprove, while failing to address the points that have been raised. A quick question in return, what exists beyond the rim of time and space? Surely anyone who has studied the subject of time-travel has considered the implications of the answer. Thanks Nimrod |
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| Account Disabled Status: Offline Posts: 386 Reputation: 152 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hot Springs Ark. USA Gender: Way of Life: Christian | There have been some intresting posts made on this thread, I just wanted to take the time to say a word of thanks who took the time to offer a reply. Thanks Nimrod |
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| Junior Member Status: Offline Posts: 49 Reputation: 9 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Apr 2006 Way of Life: Undisclosed | It is written : " To the Natural Man, the things pertaining to God , seem like craziness" You will never understand God if you try with your limited mind, to understand something that exists in a spiritual realm and measure it by the standards of the natural such as science is impossible. It is also written;"Man have no excuse, becasuse God revelas himselg through the handiwork of his Hands" Peace |
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