Originally Posted by muslim_friend

[COLOR="DarkGreen"][COLOR="Black"]If you are implying the possibility of the Prophet(pbuh) being epileptic, then that cannot be so.

No, I wasn't implying that at all ...

Peace.

Originally Posted by muslim_friend

but anyway, there are verses asserting that the Qur'an cannot be of evil sources(satan).

Hhhhmmmmm ... if we just for one momet allow ourselves to imagine that satan had deceived Muhammed into believing that his message was from God, would he (satan) not make sure to assert that it could never have been from any evil source?

After all, satan is not stupid!

Peace.

If Prophet Muhammed(SAW) was Decieved(NOT) BY satan, then why do satan die if verses of the Quran are spoken???!?!??!?

Originally Posted by Hussein radi

If Prophet Muhammed(SAW) was Decieved(NOT) BY satan, then why do satan die if verses of the Quran are spoken???!?!??!?

Have you seen him die when verses of the Quran are spoken?

You see how many things are wrong with that statement before even starting on the question of deception?

shaytaan never came near the Prophet (saw)

as we all know, when one human is born, a devil is born with them!!

soooo

it is a well known fact & even recorded in a hadiths by ibn majah, that the Prophet (saw) converted his devil

so the devil didnt come near him!!!

also when Audhu Billahi Minash Shaytaan Nir Rajeem is said

the devil runs away!!

so please think before posting :okay:

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

shaytaan never came near the Prophet (saw)

as we all know, when one human is born, a devil is born with them!!

soooo

it is a well known fact & even recorded in a hadiths by ibn majah, that the Prophet (saw) converted his devil

so the devil didnt come near him!!!

Yes but how do you know that? Can we agree that there is nothing outside the Islamic tradition and scriptures that say this?

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

also when Audhu Billahi Minash Shaytaan Nir Rajeem is said

the devil runs away!!

so please think before posting :okay:

Have you seen a devil run away when you said this? Has anyone you know?

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

shaytaan never came near the Prophet (saw)

as we all know, when one human is born, a devil is born with them!!

soooo

it is a well known fact & even recorded in a hadiths by ibn majah, that the Prophet (saw) converted his devil

so the devil didnt come near him!!!

Again, you are using Islamic teachings to 'prove your point', thereby assuming and believing that those teachings are from God.

If, however, as I was imagining, satan had deceived Muhammed into believing his message was from God, then your whole argument would be based on satan's teachings, not God's.

I don't think I will continue in this thread, because I am aware that what I am saying could be perceived to be very controversial and also upsetting. I have made my comments and will leave it at that.

Peace.

[QUOTE=glo;334309]I don't think I will continue in this thread, because I am aware that what I am saying could be perceived to be very controversial and also upsetting. I have made my comments and will leave it at that.

cumon glo dont go!
if we dont talk about thing even if they might hit a sour note we should still continue. if we didnt then how would we eva understand each other!!

Sorry, what i meant was if satans( any of them) hear the verses of the Quran spoken they would be in torture. For example if some one is possessed by a devil and verses of the Quran are told to the possessed someone then The devil would run away for his life.

[QUOTE=glo;334309]
If, however, as I was imagining, satan had deceived Muhammed into believing his message was from God, then your whole argument would be based on satan's teachings, not God's.

how can something come from santan if it talks so highly of jesus(isa) and mary (mariam). look we find views that try to make Allah be percieved as like a man -this as muslims we beleive, has come from santan! muslims hold Allah higher than any man or mans imaginary god. isn't that what we should all be thinking if we are really god fearing.

peace to all

I guess someone try to bring "satanic verses" issue into this threads,maybe because it became popular issue for orientalist in order to critisized about Muhammad(PBUH).But to me its better to wait and see what is their actual meaning by "satan had deceived Muhammed"

Originally Posted by Hussein radi

Sorry, what i meant was if satans( any of them) hear the verses of the Quran spoken they would be in torture. For example if some one is possessed by a devil and verses of the Quran are told to the possessed someone then The devil would run away for his life.

No don't apologise. The problem from my point of view is that you are all using this same basic invalid argument. It may be the case that Muhammed is the last prophet etc etc. But the fact that the Muslim tradition says he is, is not proof. This is just a folkloric version of that same claim. After all, as Glo pointed out the Devil could fake something similar and presumably you think that he did in a number of case - Hong Xiuquan for instance. These claims all revolve around a circular argument. How do we know that Hong talked to God? Because he said he did. How can we believe him?

Originally Posted by glo

If, however, as I was imagining, satan had deceived Muhammed into believing his message was from God, then your whole argument would be based on satan's teachings, not God's.

Would it make sense to you for satan to teach humanity to seek refuge in God from satan himself as the Quran tells us to do? Or to teach that he (satan) is the avowed enemy of humanity, again as the Quran says?

What's in it for satan when Muslims pray each time we read the Quran "I seek refuge in God from satan the accursed"?