Becuase islam is toooooooooooooooooo perfect to be made up by anyother but god.

Originally Posted by Hussein radi

Becuase islam is toooooooooooooooooo perfect to be made up by anyother but god.

Now that's a good argument.

This is a very strong argument and I've used it myself on the forum before. See the bottom of this post (Prove that the Qur'an IS the word of God) where I provided some links to a previous discussion on it, and also this post (Prove that the Qur'an IS the word of God) where I responded to similar claims.

I'll respond to some of the posts in this thread when I get the opportunity, inshaa'Allah.

I really don't get some Muslims sometimes.

In order to prove Qu'ran they use statements stuff like 'Satan could not have wrote it because Satan runs away frmom it when it is recited' and the next question would be, who told you this, and the Muslim says Mohammed's tradition states it, and the questioner would just laugh, because if they claim satan is the author of the quran, then they will also believe that Satan could have said this to confuse people.

Now, to think that satan wrote the Qu'ran may sound like a good stumbling point, but it is the most interesting point ever.

Ok, Muslims remember to see this from a non-Muslims view point for example:

Muslim will think 'Satan could not have wrote this, because the book asks us to seek refuge in G-d from satan'

Non-Muslim on hearing this thinks 'Well Satan wouldn't make it clear thatthis is his book, because this book is here to decieve people' now also if this non muslim is christian he will probably say 'The main aspects of Christianity are denied which shows this book is from Satan in the disguise of G-d, for example, The trinity and the Sonship of Jesus and the death of Jesus, all these point to satan having wrote this, as long as satan can full you in these matters he can tell you to say 'I seek refuge in Almighty G-d from Satan'

So we see the reasoning behind the Non-Muslim/Christian's thinking.

Satan pretends to be G-d to fool people about the bigger things.

I used to think like that, in fact this was a stumbling block for me.

Going Back and forth thinking 'what if this is just satan writing a book tryna keep me away from the death of Jesus'

But you see this is an illogical point to stand on.

In essence people are coming to this conclusion because this book (quran) doesnt agree with theirs so, if it doesnt agree it most be from Satan.
They don't realise that it could be their book that is wrong, so you then look at the background of each book and see which one is pure and so forth, and you see that if anything the other book has been touched by satan.

You could turn this around and assert that anything brought forward could be written by satan. For example, if a Christian says this to you tell him, well the authors of your bible could be mislead by satan, forget mislead they could be satanist themselves since we dont have their history.

You see once we start saying this can be from satan or that can be then anything can be from satan.

But if it is a Christian then they should know better.
Some of the arguements Christians use against Mohammed, are the same arguements Jews used against Jesus according to the Bible.
It is a classic case of history repeating itself, where nowdays if you go to Churches people swear that they would have accepted Jesus and not been like those Jews, we find those same people rejecting Jesus' brother Mohammed, because of prejudice just like the jews did.

Jesus when faced with the accusation of being of the devil stated (ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE) 26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

So if Satan is casting out Satan his kingdon cannot stand.

Similarly, if Satan wrote in his book stuff like say I seek refuge from Almighty G-d from Satan the accursed. then how could his kingdom stand?

Or think about it as in, on Judgement Day, when you are questioned as to why you chose your path.

How can G-d punish you, if you explain 'I chose the path because the guidance was clear, there was no error in the book, it had miracles it was pure from contradictions and it was the only perfect path to take' How could G-d send you to hell, if a book like the Qu'ran was from Satan, a book which logically cant be from other than G-d.

Anyhow, I probally have got alot of mistakes in here cos im hungry

Peace be upon yall

Well that underestimates the potential of the insane - who tend to be pretty good liars anyway. I do not see that these two opinions are contradictory. Let us suppose that someone is insane and thinks he is Napoleon. To maintain this illusion the insane person must construct a fantasy world to explain away the fact that he is not Napoleon. It doesn't mean that he is not insane, nor does it mean that he is always telling the truth - even if he comes to believe his own lies. No expects the insane to sit up at night thinking how to convince people that they are what they say they are. But if they really want to convince people of their fantasy they have to be quick to invent reasons why the things they say are really true.


u dont make sense mate! if he was insane and thought he was nepoleon why would he create and illusion for others to believe he is not!
PLEASE TRY AND MAKE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!



Such as?



How is this a contradiction? Good liars never ever behave as if they are not. Look at Confidence tricksters - they are always positive and always stick to their story. But again someone may be crazy and yet inspired by information he got from elsewhere. Hong, again, picked up information on Christianity in the early 1830s but it sat unread on his shelf for 10 years. It was only after he started having fits and visions that he picked it up and realised that it referred to the figures in his vision. Being insane and picking up foreign information is not mutually exclusive as Hong shows.



Such as?



No idea. But what Wall of Dhul-Qarnayn? Do you think that perhaps Muslims have taken a Quranic story and applied it to a wall that has no connection with Dhul-Qarnayn even if he knew who he was? You see the problem of getting the story backwards?



What makes you think that he would have needed anyone to have told him? Exposure to aborted and miscarried foetuses would have been common for anyone who herded sheep. Did he ever herd sheep?



There was a French man who made a good living in Britain claiming he was from Taiwan. He got a job at Oxford University as a Professor in Taiwanese and wrote books on Taiwan's history and even a dictionary of Taiwanese language. He was French. He had never been to Asia in his life. He fooled Oxford University. Where did he get his confidence? Are you saying that only the insane can pull off a stunt like this? Evidence please.



Or alternatively he knew his uncle very well or he knew that his uncle would never mean it - after all hypocrits do not become real Muslims and do not go to Heaven do they? And anyone who converted to Islam to prove it wrong would be a hypocrit wouldn't he? Even if Abu Lahab had "converted" to prove a point, Muhammed could just assert, correctly, he was lying and he would go to Hell and so prove Islam was true. As the Quran is true, anything that happened or happens must be reconcilable with the Quran.



Again you are asserting a story's truth without looking at the source. Why do you think this story is true? How do you know that in fact Muslims who later believed that Muhammed was the prophet wrote this story in light of how they thought that a prophet would behave? What is the source?



Actually it is. Liars are often very good at maintaining their lies. It is also characteristic of someone with some sort of pathology. It may well also be characteristic of the prophet of God, but Hong maintained his calm right up to the moment he died.



Actually you can have both if you feel like it. More to the point, you have excluded other possibilities and asserted there are merely two. This is not the case as we know of other cases where the leader was clearly not the Son of God or the Brother of Jesus. Islamic history is full of such examples as well. The same argument can be applied to them - did Hong lie or was he insane? He must have been Jesus Christ's little brother by this argument.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

I really don't get some Muslims sometimes.

In order to prove Qu'ran they use statements stuff like 'Satan could not have wrote it because Satan runs away frmom it when it is recited' and the next question would be, who told you this, and the Muslim says Mohammed's tradition states it, and the questioner would just laugh, because if they claim satan is the author of the quran, then they will also believe that Satan could have said this to confuse people.

Now, to think that satan wrote the Qu'ran may sound like a good stumbling point, but it is the most interesting point ever.

Ok, Muslims remember to see this from a non-Muslims view point for example:

Muslim will think 'Satan could not have wrote this, because the book asks us to seek refuge in G-d from satan'

Non-Muslim on hearing this thinks 'Well Satan wouldn't make it clear thatthis is his book, because this book is here to decieve people' now also if this non muslim is christian he will probably say 'The main aspects of Christianity are denied which shows this book is from Satan in the disguise of G-d, for example, The trinity and the Sonship of Jesus and the death of Jesus, all these point to satan having wrote this, as long as satan can full you in these matters he can tell you to say 'I seek refuge in Almighty G-d from Satan'

So we see the reasoning behind the Non-Muslim/Christian's thinking.

Satan pretends to be G-d to fool people about the bigger things.

I used to think like that, in fact this was a stumbling block for me.

Going Back and forth thinking 'what if this is just satan writing a book tryna keep me away from the death of Jesus'

But you see this is an illogical point to stand on.

In essence people are coming to this conclusion because this book (quran) doesnt agree with theirs so, if it doesnt agree it most be from Satan.
They don't realise that it could be their book that is wrong, so you then look at the background of each book and see which one is pure and so forth, and you see that if anything the other book has been touched by satan.

You could turn this around and assert that anything brought forward could be written by satan. For example, if a Christian says this to you tell him, well the authors of your bible could be mislead by satan, forget mislead they could be satanist themselves since we dont have their history.

You see once we start saying this can be from satan or that can be then anything can be from satan.

But if it is a Christian then they should know better.
Some of the arguements Christians use against Mohammed, are the same arguements Jews used against Jesus according to the Bible.
It is a classic case of history repeating itself, where nowdays if you go to Churches people swear that they would have accepted Jesus and not been like those Jews, we find those same people rejecting Jesus' brother Mohammed, because of prejudice just like the jews did.

Jesus when faced with the accusation of being of the devil stated (ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE) 26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

So if Satan is casting out Satan his kingdon cannot stand.

Similarly, if Satan wrote in his book stuff like say I seek refuge from Almighty G-d from Satan the accursed. then how could his kingdom stand?

Or think about it as in, on Judgement Day, when you are questioned as to why you chose your path.

How can G-d punish you, if you explain 'I chose the path because the guidance was clear, there was no error in the book, it had miracles it was pure from contradictions and it was the only perfect path to take' How could G-d send you to hell, if a book like the Qu'ran was from Satan, a book which logically cant be from other than G-d.

Anyhow, I probally have got alot of mistakes in here cos im hungry

Peace be upon yall

WELL PUT :brother: :okay:

Lol ALhamdulilah sis, Im glad its understandable.

Has Any Of (non-muslims) Read Or Studied The Quran? If Not I Suggest U Do And Then I Will Hear Your Accusations!
Peace

salaam
no one should need toread that and confirm that Prophet Muhammad(SAW) was a true prophet.
Everyone should all ready believe in him.

I have a question to the Christians. If Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) is an imposter(!NOT!) then why is he mentioned in the Bible? And in the Tura?

Originally Posted by Hussein radi

I have a question to the Christians. If Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) is an imposter(!NOT!) then why is he mentioned in the Bible? And in the Tura?

Sorry, what? Where does it say this in the Torah and New Testament?

I'm pretty familiar with both over the years and I'd yet to hear that particular claim.

Becuase i know a Jewish friend in high school who told me that the jewish believe in Prophet Muhammed(PBUH). However, they claim that his an arab prophet.

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his beloved family)in the Bible. Thats were i got my information at.

Originally Posted by NahidSarvy

Sorry, what? Where does it say this in the Torah and New Testament?

I'm pretty familiar with both over the years and I'd yet to hear that particular claim.

Are you asking him in particular or everyone?


BECAUSE THERES A FAT THREAD NAMES MOHAMMED AND HIS FAMILY IN THE BIBLE

Try again, O my Brothers. This time, provide citations, because I done read them and there is no such thing in the Bible. No Mu7ammad. None. Nope.

Are you saying it's in the Torah about Mu7ammad himself? Impossible, since the Torah is much older. Prophecies? If so, which section? It's a big honkin' book.

I'll go and look for some thread like you say now. Maybe there's a cite there.