Also... it was snakelegs who said you can't know. And snakelegs is agnostic, not Muslim.

Hello Mike,

Since no-one has decided who this will be I would like to nominate brother Ansar Al-'Adl. As I feel he is Kind Friendly and considerate.

Thanks for your kind comments.

Originally Posted by mikeengland

Well I Thank-you for all your replies. Although none of you have Answered my Direct Questions. Instead it seems I have been swarmed with hyperlinks directing me to other websites and Insults.

I protest this generalization in that I answered all your questions directly here in my post and neither swarmed you with links nor insults.

1, Does muhammed offer any way of me getting to go to heaven.? Q1. This is a Simple yes/no Reply. (Not wonderful deeds.)
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Yes, he does.

Your reply is quote me if im wrong "no-one can know this" are you saying God doesnt know who will or will not go to heaven?.

No, God has complete knowledge, He knows everything.

my Refutal.
The Bible came before the Quran

I'm afraid that's not a valid argument. The Vedas [Hindu scriprtures] came before the Bible. According to your logic, the statements of salvation in the Vedas supercede those of the Bible.

Besides, out of the quotes you have given, the only one which supports your doctrine is from Paul in Romans.

2, Did muhammad do any Miracles? Q2.
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again I would appreciate Quranic/hadith verses, and not links to websites as this is not scriptual evidence.

Sure.

CURING OF THE SICK

During the campaign of Uhud, Qattada Bin An-Nu'man (May Allah be pleased with him) was injured in the eye. The eyeball had come out of the socket and was hanging on his cheek. The Prophet (peace be upon him) put it back with his hand and after this incident, that eye was better than the uninjured eye.

Al-Bukhaari related that Yazid bin Abi Ubaid (may Allah be pleased with him) said, ´I saw a scar of a cut on the leg of Abu Muslim. When I asked him, “O Abu Muslim! What is this scar?” He said, “ I was injured in the battle of Khyber. People said, “Himama is injured.” I came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and he blew on the injury three times and after that I did not feel any pain till today.”

Aisha bint Saad narrated on her father’s authority that the Prophet (peace be upon him) visited Saad Bin abi Waqqas (May Allah be pleased with him) while the latter was sick. The Prophet (peace be upon him) put his hand on Saad’s head and wiped his face and stomach, and said “O Allah cure Saad and help him to complete his migration.” Saad said, "From that time till now, I can still feel the cold touch of the hands of the Prophet (peace be upon him)."

Prior to the battle of Khaiber the Prophet (peace be upon him) said “Tomorrow I will give the flag to a man who loves Allah and his Prophet (peace be upon him), and Allah and His Prophet (peace be upon him) love him.” The people spent the night, each one of them eager to be given the banner. In the morning the Prophet (peace be upon him) asked, “where is Ali bin Abi Talib (May Allah be pleased with him)?” They said he is suffering from an eye ailment (Ramadh). The Prophet (peace be upon him) spit in Ali’s eyes and he was cured.

Narrated Jabir (May Allah be pleased with him) Allah’s messenger came to visit while I was sick and unconscious. He performed ablution and sprinkled the remaining water on me and I became conscious…… Al-Bukhaari

INCREASING (BY BLESSING) THE FOOD

These are [similar to the] miracles given to Prophets Jesus (the table) and Moses (increasing the water) peace be upon hem both):

THE STORY OF UMM MA'BAD

The Prophet (peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) on their way to Al-Madina, continued their journey until they reached the solitary tent belonging to a woman called Umm Ma’bad Al-Khuzaiyah. She was a gracious lady who sat at her tent-door with a mat spread out for any chance traveler that might pass by that way. Fatigued and thirsty, the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companion wanted to refresh themselves with food and some milk. The lady told them that the flock was out in the pasture and the goat standing nearby was almost dry. It was a rainless year. The Prophet (peace be upon him) with her permission touched its udders, reciting over them the Name of Allah and to their great joy, there flowed plenty of milk out of them. The Prophet (peace be upon him) first offered the milk to the lady of the house, and he shared what was left with other members of the party. Before he left, he milked the goat again, filled the container and gave it to Umm Ma’bad.

After some time her husband arrived with thin goats hardly having any milk in their udders and he was astonished to see milk in the house. His wife told him that a blessed man passed by the way and gave details about his physical appearance and the manner of talking. Abu Ma’bad immediately realized that the man was the one Quraysh were searching for and asked her to give full description of him and she gave a wonderful account of his physiqueand manners. Abu Ma’bad, after listening to his wife’s account expressed a sincere wish to accompany the Prophet (peace be upon him) whenever possible.

He reiterated his admiration in verses of a poet that echoed all over Makkah to such an extent that the people therein thought it was a jinn inculcating words in their ears. Asma (may Allah be pleased with her), daughter of Abu Bakr, on hearing those lines, got to know that the two companions were heading for Madinah. The short poem opened with thanking Allah for giving them (the Ma’bads) the chance to host the Prophet (peace be upon him) for a while. It then gave an account of the bliss that would settle in the heart of the Prophet’s companion whosoever he was. It closed with an invitation to the whole mankind to come and see by themselves Umm Ma’bad, her goat and the container of milk that would all testify to the truthfulness of the Prophet (peace be upon him) .

INCREASING WATER IN TABUK

When they drew near Tabuk, the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “If Allah wills, tomorrow you will arrive at the Tabuk spring. You will not get there before daytime. So whoever reaches it should not touch its water; but wait till I come.” Mu’adh said: “When we reached the spring therewas some water as usual. We found that two men had already arrived before us. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) asked them:‘Have you touched its water?’ They replied, ‘Yes’. He said what Allah inspired him to say, then he scooped up a little water of that spring. It was a thin stream where water gathered. He washed his face and hand with it and poured it back into it; consequently plenty of water spouted out of it so people watered. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said ‘Mu’adh! If you were to live long life you will see in here fields full of vegetation.’ Nowadays Tabuk’s fields are full of vegetation as the Prophet (peace be upon him) foretold.

I would also like to add before i move on to question 3, you have highlighted words from the Bible that suggest allegations towards Jesus. Please can you Quote Full Biblical passages and verses, since I have been so kind as to provide you with full Quran/Hadith verses if you please.

Fair enough. We'll discuss them one at a time. Let's start with anger.

Jesus tells us
Matthew 5:21-22. You have heard that the ancients were told, 'You shall not commit murder' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca', shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, 'You fool', shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

Yet, amazingly, look at what Jesus does himself!
In Matthew 23 Jesus lashes out at the Jews, (13) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!… (16) Woe unto you, you blind guides, … (17) You FOOLS and blind: … (33) You serpents, You generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?!

Jesus said anger was wrong, but he got angry. He said that calling someone 'you fool' makes them guilty enough to go into the fiery hell, but he does it himself. Is this not hypocrisy?

3, Did muhammad predict anything that come to pass? Q3
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PROPHET MUHAMMED (peace be upon him) TELLING OF THE UNSEEN

His telling of some incidents in the future does not mean he knows everything that is to take place in the future. Allah the almighty gave him this advantage in knowledge in certain situations. His people disbelieved in him, yet when he tells them that something will happen in the future, they believed him without a doubt. This does not mean that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could always tell the future or is a fortune-teller.

“Say (O Muhammed) I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I have the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and bring glad tidings unto people who believe.”
[Qur'aan 7:188]

UKAIDIR IN DUMAT AL-JANDAL

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) dispatched Khalid bin Al-Waleed at the head of four hundred and fifty horsemen to ‘Ukaidir in Dumat Al-Jandal and said to him: “You will see him hunting oryxes.” So when Khalid drew near his castle and was as far as an eye-sight range, he saw the oryxes coming out rubbing their horns against the castle gate. As it was moon light night, Khalid could see Ukaidir come out to hunt them. He captured him, though he was surrounded by his men and brought him back to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) who spared his life and made peace with him for the payment of two thousand camels, eight hundred heads of cattle, four hundred armours and four hundred lances. Prophet (peace be upon him) instructed him to recognize the duty of paying tribute and made him responsible for collecting it from Dumat, Tabuk, Ailah and Taima’.

AN ATTEMPT ON THE LIFE OF THE PROPHET (peace be upon him)

The impact of defeat at Badr was so great that the Makkans began to burn with indignation and resentment over their terrible losses. Two of the polytheists volunteered to quench their thirst and eliminate the source of that humiliation i.e. the Prophet (peace be upon him). ‘Umair bin Wahab Al-Jumahi, a terrible polytheist and an archenemy Safwan bin Omaiyah sat together lamenting their loss and remembering their dead and captives. ‘Umair expressed a fervent desire to kill the Prophet (peace be upon him) and release his captured son in Madinah, if it was not for the yoke of debts he was under and the large family he had to support. Safwan, also had his good reasons to see the Prophet (peace be upon him) killed, so he offered to settle ‘Umair’s debts and support his family if he went on with his plan. ‘Umair agreed and asked Safwan to keep the scheme a secret.

He left for Madinah, with a sword to which he applied some kind of lethal poison. ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) saw him at the door of the Mosque and understood that he had come with evil intentions. He immediately went into the Mosque and informed the Prophet (peace be upon him). He was allowed to enter, looped by the sling of his sword and greeted saying “good morning”, to which the Prophet (peace be upon him) replied that Allah had been Gracious and taught them the greeting of the dwellers of Paradise: “peace be upon you!” To a question raised by the Prophet (peace be upon him) about his object, ‘Umair said that he had come to see that his captured son was well treated. As for the sword, which the Prophet (peace be upon him) inquired him, he cursed it and said that it gained them nothing.

On exhorting him to tell his real goal, he remained adamant and did not divulge the secret meeting with Safwan. Here the Prophet (peace be upon him) got impatient and himself revealed to ‘Umair the latter’s secret mission. ‘Umair was taken by surprise, then an incredible astonishment seized him and he immediately declared his faith in Islam (the Shahaadah). He then began to praise Allah’s compassion for having been guided to the ‘Straight Path’. The Prophet (peace be upon him) was pleased, asked his companions to teach ‘Umair the principles of Islam, recite to him the Noble Qur’an and release his son from captivity. Safwan, meanwhile was still entertaining false illusions as to the approaching redemption of honor and burying the memory of Badr. He was impatiently waiting for ‘Umair’s news but to his great surprise he was told that the man had embraced Islam and become a devoted believer. ‘Umair later came back to Makkah where he started to call people unto Islam and actually managed to convert a lot of Makkans to Islam.

THE STORY OF THE TRENCH

The Muslims were digging the trench during the Battle of the Trench and some supernatural Prophetic signs were shown at that time. Jabir bin ‘Abdullah, seeing the Prophet (peace be upon him) starving, slaughtered a sheep, cooked some barley and requested the Prophet (peace be upon him) and some Companions to accept his invitation. But the Prophet (peace be upon him) gathered all the thousand people engaged in digging the trench and they started to eat until they were all completely full and yet the shoulder of mutton and dough that was being baked remained and the food was undiminished.

A woman brought a handful of dates and passed by the Prophet (peace be upon him) who took them. He threw them over his cloak and invited his followers to eat. The dates began to increase in number until they dropped over the brim of his robe.

Another miracle was when a rock stood out as an immune obstacle in the ditch. The Prophet (peace be upon him) took the spade and struck, and the rock immediately turned into a loose sand dune. In another version, Al-Bara’ said: On Al-Khandaq (the trench) Day there stood out a rock too hard for our spades to break up. We therefore went to see the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) for advice. He took the spade, and struck the rock saying “In the Name of Allah, Allah is Great, the keys of Ash-Sham (Geographical Syria) are mine. I swear by Allah, I can see its palaces at the moment;” on the second strike he said: “Allah is Great, Persia is mine, I swear by Allah, I can now see the white palace of Madain.” For the third time he struck the rock saying, “Allah is Great, I have been given the keys of Yemen, I swear by Allah, I can see the gates of San’a while I am in my place.” The rock turned into very small pieces. Ishaq narrated the same version.

The northern part of Madinah was the most vulnerable, all the other sides being surrounded by mountains and palm tree orchards. The Prophet (peace be upon him) as a skillful military expert, understood that the Confederates would march in that direction. So the trench was ordered to be dug on that side. The Muslims went on digging the trench for several days. They used to work during the day and go back home in the evening until it was completed in time and assumed its full dimensions militarily. The huge army of the idolaters which numbered as many as ten thousand fighters, arrived and settled in the vicinity of Madinah in places called Al-Asyal and Uhud.

THE STORY OF AL-HIRAH

Al-Bukhaari narrates that ‘Adi said: “While we were with the Prophet (peace be upon him) a man came and complained to him about poverty. Another man came and complained about highway robbery. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) then said: “O Adi! Have you ever been to Al-Hirah? If you were destined to live a long life, you would be able to see a woman travel from Hirah riding a camel till it circumambulates the Ka'bah fearing none but Allah; and if you were to live long enough you would open the treasures of Kisra. And if you were to live long you would be able to see a man offering a handful of gold or silver to others but no one would accept it.”

At the end of this Hadith ‘Adi later on says: ”I have seen a woman riding camel travel from Al-Hirah till it circumambulates the Ka'bah fearing none but Allah. I have also been one of those who opened the treasures of Kisra bin Hurmuz. If you were to live long life you would witness what the Prophet (peace be upon him), Abul Qasim, had already said about ‘offering a handful of….. ’ i.e. the Prophet’s prophecies did really come true.”

THE STORY OF UTAIBAH

‘Utaibah bin Abi Lahab once came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and most defiantly and brazenly shouted at him, “I disbelieve in, “By the star when it goes down” [53:1] and in “Then he (Gabriel) approached and came closer.” [53:8] In other words: “I do not believe in any of the verses from the Qur’an.” He then became violent and started to deal highhandedly with Muhammed (peace be upon him), tore his shirt and spat at the face but it missed the face of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Thereupon, the Prophet (peace be upon him) invoked Allah’s wrath on ‘Utaibah and supplicated: “O Allah! Set one of Your dogs on him.” Allah responded positively to Muhammed’s supplication, and it happened in the following manner:

Once ‘Utaibah with some of his companions from Quraysh set out for Syria and took accommodation in Az-Zarqa’. There a lion approached the group to the great fear of ‘Utaibah, who at once recalled Muhammed’s words in supplication, and said: “Woe to my brother! This lion will surely devour me just as Muhammed supplicated. He has really killed me in Syria while he is in Makkah." The lion rushed like lightning, snatched ‘Utaibah from amongst his people and crushed his head.

THE STORY OF UBAI BIN KHALAF

Ibn Ishaq related: “One day when the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was going up the hillock, he was followed by Ubai Bin Khalaf who was saying: ‘Where is Muhammed? Either I kill him or I will be killed.’ The Companions of Muhammed (peace be upon him) said: ‘O Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), do you mind if one of us combats with him?’ But the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: ‘Leave him!’ So when he drew nearer, the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) took the spear from Al-Harith bin As-Simma. He shivered violently in such a way that all of them scattered in all directions. The Prophet (peace be upon him) faced him (i.e Ubai) and observed his throat through a gap between the wide opening of the armour and the part of his neck enclosed by. He speared him in that spot. The effect of the stroke was so strong that it made him roll off his horse over and over. When he returned to Quraysh, they found that he had only had a small scratch in his neck. So when blood became clotted he said: ‘By Allah, Muhammed has killed me.’ Others heard him and replied, ‘By Allah you are afraid to death. By Allah, you are possessed by a devil.’ But he replied, “He already told me when we were in Makkah, ‘I will kill you.’ By Allah, had he spat on me, he would have killed me.” Eventually, the enemy of Allah breathed his last at a place called Sari, while they were taking him back to Makkah.

THE STORY OF BILAL'S CALL ON THE KA'BAH

After the conquest of Makkah when time for prayer approached, Bilal ascended the Ka'bah and called for prayer. Abu Sufyan bin Harb, ‘Itab bin Usaid and Al-Harith bin Hisham were sitting in the yard. ‘Itab bin Usaid commented on the new situation (Bilal ascending the Ka'bah and calling for prayer) saying that Allah honored Usaid (his father) having not heard such words. The Prophet (peace be upon him) approached and assisted by Divine Revelation told them that he learned about what they had spoken of. Al-Harith and ‘Itab, taken by surprise, immediately professed Islam and bore witness that Muhammed is the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), adding that “We swear by Allah that none had been with us to inform you.”

Now Muhhamad offers no way to Remove my sins.

Yes he did; the way to remove sins is from repentance and good deeds:

The Prophet said: 'One who repents from sin is like one who has no sin.' (Sunan Ibn Mâjah, Mu'jam At-Tabarânî)

The Prophet said: 'Be mindful of Allah wherever you are, and follow up a bad deed with a good one and it will erase it. And behave towards all people in the best manner.' (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

since Adam and Eve where tempted In The Garden and we where born into sin, Can you agree Sin seperates Man from God? (Thats an added Question if you please)

Adam and Eve repented from their mistake and God forgave them:
20:121-122. ...Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he erred. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance.

Regards

I think it is Fair That I am only 1 man. So 1 man Answers my Questions.
Then we can discuss I question at a time. Whereas 5 of more posters Reply I am debating with 5 and not 1. This causes Problems on a Forum.
Hope you understand.
Thanks
Mike

I think the bigger question should be is Jesus was God how come he turned away that Caananite women just because she wasn't a jew and called her a dog. If he was God why were other messengers more successful in spreading their message...if Muhammad(S) isn't a prophet why is it thatthe Quran contains so many scientific miracles given to a man from 1400 years ago....scientists agree to that one...what's up with the Bible Being in third person?

Peace, Let me start of with a LINK! CHECK IT OUT THIS TIME IT WILL HELP YOUR CLOUDED MIND InshAllah [God-willing]...

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...ily-bible.html

Well I Thank-you for all your replies. Although none of you have Answered my Direct Questions. Instead it seems I have been swarmed with hyperlinks directing me to other websites and Insults.

Lol, You’re a rather humorous ol’ codger, My dear brother in humanity, as always I very much doubt you have read the posts and links provided by my brothers/sisters, such a shame…Can you please also state who insulted you and present the evidence for it…I would be sincerely grateful as of yet I have seen nothing by polite manners and a very weak argument from your behalf

1, Does muhammed offer any way of me getting to go to heaven.? Q1. This is a Simple yes/no Reply. (Not wonderful deeds.)

Yesh, Allah knows everything

my Refutal.
The Bible came before the Quran:
And I give unto them eternal life;and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
1 John 10:28

That’s a very weak argument, What is that supposed to prove?, Your contradicting yourself and going off-topic, this isn’t like you…Of course, Allah has given us free will to choose between right and wrong and on Yawmuddin [Day of Judgment/Ressurection] we will be told everything we done in this world…So what if the Bible came before the Quran?, The Bible, Torah, Psalms and Quran were all sent down to mankind as a blessing and guidance to mankind. But like all the scriptures [except al-Quran] The Bible has been altered and words manipulated. The followers of these scriptures after the compilation made many additions and words were distorted. If you analyze the text clearly it is visible that alterations have been made and there are many contradictions, if you have any decent ones that regarding Islam feel free to post them up although many have been debunked and refuted…

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:13

Hold your horses, this is rather contradictory is it not? One verse states him as the Son of God whilst the other declares him as the Lord...Correct me if I am wrong…Also how can he be the Lord if he died for three days? What happened to the World? Did that stop aswell? Surley it cant function without the power of God?

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23

*Sighs*..This Life is a blessing but also a test and again I put a emphasis on it this time, On the day of Judgment Allah will ask all that we have done in this Dunya and surely that will be our FINAL exam which will decide whether we enter HELL/HEAVEN

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:46

Indeed, the souls who had bad conduct and the disbeliveers will suffer in Hell and the righteous will endure eternal bliss in Jannatul Firdous [Heaven], InshAllah [God-willing] that is the abode for the pious servants of Allah…

2, Did muhammad do any Miracles? Q2.
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Dearest brother in humanity, if you read the site you might even attain some Islamic knowledge and you might find the verses you see... Your using the statement below to bring about a somewhat competition but nay there most definitely is no competition between the Prophets [Peace & Blessings be upon them all]…JazakAllah Khair Breda Ansar for that, Allah reward you for your efforts Ameen and hope that’s enough Mikey…

Jesus performed many miracles all in public including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead.

Yes indeed and the Quran acknowledges this. His birth in itself was a miracle SubhanAllah [Glory be to Allah], but this was power given by Allah, the All-Mighty to His Prophet Is’aa [Jesus]…The Quran fully explains in Surah Al-Imran the birth and the miracles of Jesus.

Is’aa [Pbuh] was like any other; a Prophet sent as guidance to mankind...

“We have sent a messenger to every nation. Serve Allah [Alone] and turn aside from false gods.” [16:36]

3, Did muhammad predict anything that come to pass? Q3
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Yes, There are many things, if you look through ah-hadeeth you can find several extracts where the Prophet [Pbuh] speaks about future signs, there are many regarding the signs of Qiyaama, and signs relating to that which are present today, If you wish me to tell you the link for that I would happily do so, but you don’t like links eh, cause someone’s a bit of lazy to bother reading them *eyes rolly*…Again Ansar has covered many signs which have come to pass, do ask nicely if you wish to hear about anymore

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22

I believe that man was created perfectly in the image of God,
and when he sinned, mankind incurred both physical and spiritual death; thus man became eternally separated from God and is incapable of providing redemption
for himself.

“Allah! There is none worthy of worship except Him, the Living and the Ever Lasting! Slumber does not overtake Him nor does sleep, whatever is in the Heavens and in the Earth belongs to Him. Who is there to plead to Him except with His permission? He knows what lies before them and what is behind them, while they grasp nothing of His knowledge except what He may wish. His authority extends over the Heavens and Earth; Preserving them both does not overburden Him. He is the Sublime, the Exalted”

We are not made in the image of God, Verily Allah has the best attributes, we are not worthy of them and it is considered a sin [shirk: associating partners with Allah] to even begin to think we are that sublime…Allahu Akbar [Allah is the greatest]

Now Muhhamad offers no way to Remove my sins. Since Adam and Eve where tempted In The Garden and we where born into sin, Can you agree Sin seperates Man from God? (Thats an added Question if you please)

Why do you think he was sent by Allah?..SubhanAllah the Prophet [Pbuh] taught mankind how to expiate ones sins i.e. through repentance [prayer] and du’aa [supplication]…He taught man how to pray and seek the forgiveness of Allah [swt]…When the world came into being Allah [swt] decreed that His mercy overcame his anger

Ibn ‘Abbas reported that the Prophet [Pbuh] said: Whoever adheres to seeking Allah’s forgiveness will be one for whom Allah will create a way out of every difficulty, for whom Allah will relieve every anxiety and for whom Allah will supply provisions from sources that he could never imagine.

“In fact, Allah loves those who turn unto Him [seeking His forgiveness]” [Surah al-Baqarah, 2:222]

And That we are Indeed Brothers and sisters, and Im Sorry If I sound like I am criticising your belief. But my Intentions are only to Agree on truth. I feel we should all know this for those who wish to turn towards Islam.

No Thank you for taking your time out to express yourself but I feel your arguments to be very weak and we all know Islam is the best hehe…Indeed I await the response of the more knowledgeable brothers and sisters to refute your argument

May God guide to to whats right and shower His blessings upon you Ameen
Regards Maz x

YES muhammad (P)was a true prophet
anyone gotta prob with that?-then :
1-clear ur mind
2-open ur mind
3-read the revelation sent to prophet Muhammad(P)
4-find a mosque..

elo ello mikey

regardin Q1 - yesh - the Prophet (saw) is given the title of Rehmat Til Aalimeen, meanin mercy 4 all mankind, so yesh 2 question 1

Q2 - Miracles

he has done many mashallah!!! the biggest miracle given to the Prophet (saw) was the Quran!! but he has done many .....

the splittin of the moon,

when the Prophet (saw) first came with his message, there was people such as yaself who denied the message,& they used 2 ask for signs, that the Prophet (saw) was truthful, so Allah (swt) gave the Prophet (saw) a miracle 2 perform, and that was to split the moon!!

its reported in Bukhari by Hadhrat Anas ibn Malik (ra) who said "the people of makkah asked the Prophet (saw) for a sign & he showed them the splittin of the moon"

its also reported in Tirmidhi aswell!!!

alsoo ....

also once the Prophet (saw) was on a expedition, and he asked for water for ablution, but no one had any water, and he asked Hadhrat Jabir (ra) to look for water in the camps, and Hadhrat Jabir (ra) found one person with a drop of water in his water skin, so he brang that to the Prophet (saw) and said "this is the only water", so the Prophet (saw) took that little drop of water and dropped it into a bowl, and then he said something which Hadhrat Jabir (ra) couldnt hear, and he siad Bismillah 3 times, and asked Jabir (ra) to pour the water over him and say Bismillah, and when this was done, water began pouring out of the Prophet (saw) butifull fingers and everyone had enough water to drink & do ablution aswell!!!

this is a authentic hadiths in Muslim!! woo hoo

see there are many miracles that the Prophet (saw) performed by the will of Allah (swt)

also

once the Prophet (saw) went to a date tree farm fingy and ......

when he got there he saw, once of the owners of the date farm, climbing on a camel and getting dates down from the tree & waterring the trees, and as soon as the Prophet (saw) came in the date farm, the camel saw him and began to cry out, and the Prophet (saw) went up to the camel & stroked him & then said to the owner "Will you not fear Allah (swt) regarding this animal of which Allah (swt) has given to you as a possession, it complains to me saying you make it work hard and you hurt it"


so this shows RasoolAllah (saw) understood the camel & made the owner understand, which is clearly another miracle!! BRAP BRAPPP and its reported by Abu Dawud!!!

one more for gud luck

when the Prophet (saw) built Masjib Quba, they built it on four trees, making a square and covered the top of it making the roof, and when the Prophet (saw) used to give his speeches, he used to lean on the tree and give his speech, and then a sahaba said, that they should build a pulpit for the Prophet (saw) to give his khutba (speech) so he dont have to stand, so when the pulpit was built and the Prophet (saw) sat on it, everyone in the mosque heard a crying noise, and they all looked round but couldnt find where the noise came from! then they saw the tree that the Prophet (saw) leaned on getin cracks in it, so @ seeing this, the Prophet (saw) went upto the tree and put his hand on it, and stroked it, then the crying noise stopped, and ever since that the Prophet (saw) used to pray next to that tree!!

and this is reported by Ibn Majah, Ahmad and Ad Darimi!!

this shows that even the tree had love for RasoolAllah (saw) it didnt want him to go away from it, and give the khutba somewhere else, see this is a miracle!! that the trees are giving witness that the Prophet (saw) is the truthful one the best one!!!


Q3 - Telling about what to come!!

when the Prophet (saw) was moving to Madinah, because Makkah, was unsafe for him, Allah (swt) told him that in the night he should move because the Quraish were gona try to kill him, so he asked Hadhrat Ali (ra) to sleep in his bed, and he would move secretly, so the quraish will still think he is in his bed, now this is a sign, that he could tell what was gona happen!!

also in a hadiths the Prophet has said "i feel a cool wind coming from Al Hind" i.e - the People of Al Hind = India, PAKISTAN will convert to islam, and we know a few years later, all of al hind was ruled by muslims, and majority of people there are muslims, so thats a sign of the future so wooo hooo

as it says in surah fussilat v 53

"We will show them our proofs in the horizons, and within themselves, until they realize that this is the truth. Is your Lord not sufficient as a witness of all things?"

so its upto if you wana belive!! because Allah (swt) says in the Quran, we wil show u our signs, until u realize its the truth!

any more ..... mikey

and by you saying the bible came before the quran, lets put it in this way

if theres two mobiles, one old and one new, and the old one is okie doks, but the new is a upgrade of the old one, and it has better thins in it!! im sure ebeyone wud say they wana have the new one

so thats the same with the Quran, its new, the bible it gods word, but the real bible has been changed, and it has been proven contradictory & scientificaly wrong!! whereas no1 has been able to prove the Quran wrong!!

1, Does muhammed offer any way of me getting to go to heaven.? Q1.This is a Simple yes/no Reply. (Not wonderful deeds.)
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Yes, he does.
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Your reply is quote me if im wrong "no-one can know this" are you saying God doesnt know who will or will not go to heaven?.
No, God has complete knowledge, He knows everything.

Yet if he Knows everything here we see muhammad saying:
Sura 46:9 Say: "I am not an innovation among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."

So by your Statement "God knows Everything" And "no-one can know This" Muhammad is supposed to be a messeger of God. Which is revealed to him. So His Statement "nor do I know what will be done with me or with you." in Sura 46:9 We can only Agree is an understatement and Contradiction of a man who Simply doesnt know his own Eternal Destiny. Yet alone anyone else's. Again Scriptual Evidence if you Please. So as far as I am Concerned on This matter this is Refuted.

Fair enough. We'll discuss them one at a time. Let's start with anger.

Jesus tells us
Matthew 5:21-22. You have heard that the ancients were told, 'You shall not commit murder' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca', shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, 'You fool', shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

Yet, amazingly, look at what Jesus does himself!
In Matthew 23 Jesus lashes out at the Jews, (13) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!… (16) Woe unto you, you blind guides, … (17) You FOOLS and blind: … (33) You serpents, You generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?!

Jesus said anger was wrong, but he got angry. He said that calling someone 'you fool' makes them guilty enough to go into the fiery hell, but he does it himself. Is this not hypocrisy?

As I said I have provided Full verses from Quran /Hadith. So In your Response we can look at what Matt 23:13 and The Other Verses actually Read.:

13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

16
Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

17
Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?

Jesus said anger was wrong, but he got angry

Jesus did not get Angry ok.
33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of hell?

This Verse is clearly saying we are like a Generation of Snakes how can we escape The ****ation of Hell? The Snake been the Serpant Who tempted Adam and Eve In The Garden In The First Place.

I Said

since Adam and Eve where tempted In The Garden and we where born into sin, Can you agree Sin seperates Man from God? (Thats an added Question if you please)
Adam and Eve repented from their mistake and God forgave them:
20:121-122. ...Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he erred. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance.

So you agree The Serpant Tempted them In the Garden. ok heres What The Bible Says

Gen 3, 8 - 18


8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?


10
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.


11
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.


14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

(Snake/Viper)

15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

So The Truth is God DID NOT forgive Adam and eve of there Sin.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Again I have Refuted your Claims Mr Ansar Al-'Adl.

And Just to Add about The Muslims claims. "That God cannot become a Man"

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And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

God walking in the garden in the cool of the day; Also Refutes any Claim that God cannot appear as a Man.

Thank-you.
In Jesus name
Mike

Originally Posted by mikeengland

Yet if he Knows everything here we see muhammad saying:
Sura 46:9 Say: "I am not an innovation among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."

So by your Statement "God knows Everything" And "no-one can know This" Muhammad is supposed to be a messeger of God. Which is revealed to him. So His Statement "nor do I know what will be done with me or with you." in Sura 46:9 We can only Agree is an understatement and Contradiction of a man who Simply doesnt know his own Eternal Destiny. Yet alone anyone else's. Again Scriptual Evidence if you Please. So as far as I am Concerned on This matter this is Refuted.

Greetings Mike,

You would understand the meaning of that verse if you had read the commentary behind what it means. Let’s look at what the verse actually means.

(Say) to them, O Muhammad: (I am no new thing among the messengers (of Allah)) Commentary :I am not the first human being to be sent as Messenger, there were many messengers before me

(nor know I what will be done with me or with you)Commentary: in relation to hardship, comfort and well-being; it is also said that this verse was revealed about some of the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) who asked him about when to leave Mecca in order to escape from the persecution of the disbelievers. So the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I do not know what will be done with me or with you; nor whether we should migrate from Mecca or not”.

(I do but follow) Commentary: act upon

(that which is inspired in me) Commentary: that which I am commanded in the Qur’an,


(and I am but a plain warner) Commentary: a warning messenger who addresses you in a language that you understand.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) only knew what had been revealed to him. That does not suddenly mean he was not a prophet. Now that we have established the Commentary behind the verse I’m sure the issue will not need to be picked upon.

As for the rest of your quotes from the bible, it is of little relevance to the matter being discussed here.

Regards,

Silver Pearl

Mike wants a 1-1 debate, so let him have it. Ansar can handle it.
W'salaam

Adam and Eve repented from their mistake and God forgave them:
20:121-122. ...Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he erred. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance.

Notice His word erred.

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How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?
3
These ten times have ye reproached me: ye are not ashamed that ye make yourselves strange to me.
4
And be it indeed that I have erred, mine error remaineth with myself.
(job 19: 2-4)

Thank-you Brother Umm_Shaheed

Mike wants a 1-1 debate, so let him have it. Ansar can handle it.
W'salaam

Yes Please Thank-you for understanding Brother Umm_Shaheed.

I'm a sister. But, erm, any time.

You want a debate Mike, but still you don't want to read what the other guy is saying and you don't want to answer. It's really frustrating for someone to debate with a person like you, because a lot of effort is put on writing an answer to your post, which you then ignore.

I mean, Ansar al-'Adl wrote that God know everything, and still you write:

Yet if he Knows everything here we see muhammad saying:
Sura 46:9 Say: "I am not an innovation among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."

I.e., you answer with a proof that Muhammad (peace be upon him) didn't know everything to Ansars statement that God know everything. I mean, what kind of an answer is that? "Refuting" his post (which said that God know everything) by showing that someone totally different didn't know everything.
And he also explained what was meant by that verse in an earlier post, which you didn't answer to.

Also, you completely ignored to answer this:

Jesus said (according to the Bible):
and whoever shall say, 'You fool', shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." Matt. 5:22

Yet another verse claims he called the people:
You FOOLS and blind: …

You ignored this too.

Please, if you want a debate, answer the points of your opponent.