Originally Posted by Woodrow;

Even when speaking of the Native American religions....or the religions of the aborigianal Australians.

You will find stories similar to some of the writtings in the Qur'an.

There are no such stories. But I am glad you agree with my original point. Which was the message given to the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was not given to any other person.

Therefore God is flawed because it has taken 1,400 ywears for the emssage to reach remote places. And many places it has not yeat reached.

Maybe there is no god?

Originally Posted by Joe98

That can't be true because no prophet got to any of the places I listed.

How do you know? They have their religious traditions which may be the remnants of the message of a Prophet centuries earlier.

Originally Posted by Joe98

There are no such stories. But I am glad you agree with my original point. Which was the message given to the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was not given to any other person.

Therefore God is flawed because it has taken 1,400 ywears for the emssage to reach remote places. And many places it has not yeat reached.

Maybe there is no god?

Therefore God is flawed because it has taken 1,400 ywears for the emssage to reach remote places.

The message was revealed countless times before Muhammad(saw). It was rejected and misunderstood by us stubborn humans, no matter how many times it was sent. Muhammad(saw) is the fianal attempt by Allah(swt) to get the message through our thick heads.

I believe, you will agree that many people are not accepting it.

Man

My original comment was that (according to you) god gave a message to the prophet 1,400 years ago.

To which I say he didn’t give the same message to anybody else at that time. You say he gave messages to various people over the last few thousands of years thereby agreeing with my comment.

The problem is that 1,400 years ago communication as poor. Everywhere was remote from everywhere else. Even London was remote at that time.

Originally Posted by Woodrow

…is the final attempt by Allah(swt) to get the message through our thick heads.

So, 1,400 years god should have given his message to a hand full of people around the world. And then today we could marvel that the messages are all the same! And believe!

But he did not. We are all thick yet he gave it to one person only.

And as it’s his final attempt, bad luck for humanity.

This is the god you worship?????

Originally Posted by Joe98

My original comment was that (according to you) god gave a message to the prophet 1,400 years ago.

To which I say he didn’t give the same message to anybody else at that time. You say he gave messages to various people over the last few thousands of years thereby agreeing with my comment.

The problem is that 1,400 years ago communication as poor. Everywhere was remote from everywhere else. Even London was remote at that time.



So, 1,400 years god should have given his message to a hand full of people around the world. And then today we could marvel that the messages are all the same! And believe!

But he did not. We are all thick yet he gave it to one person only.

And as it’s his final attempt, bad luck for humanity.

This is the god you worship?????

So, 1,400 years god should have given his message to a hand full of people around the world. And then today we could marvel that the messages are all the same! And believe!

And in 17716 a small group of people set down the rules for an ideal democracy. We should all marvel at the wisdom of those words and see that they are applicable to all men. But, we don't. In less then 300 years we have altered and changed even what we wanted for our own country. So, your statement seems very true. We humans have the knack to alter things until we render them meaningless.

But he did not. We are all thick yet he gave it to one person only.

I guess if you consider the entire known world to be a hand full of people you are correct. Keep in mind, even with yourself as an acknowledged non-believer, you are aware the Qur'an exists and you know you have the ability to read it any time you choose.

And as it’s his final attempt, bad luck for humanity.

What could he possible owe us, that we would be entitled to even one attempt? Isn't it about time that we finaly got the message that this is it. Take it or leave it? Not bad luck for humanity, just bad choices. If you catch a man robbing you, how many times will you try to tell him stealing is wrong, before you stop telling him and call the police?

This is the god you worship?????[/QUOTE]

Yes, and I am pleased with the knowledge.

Originally Posted by Joe98

2. If each group of people around the world received a prophet how come there are no stories from anywhere on the earth except the Middle East?

There are the hindu scriptures, Zorastian scriptures, and the Buddhist scriptures. All of these books contain evidence that these books were one time several thousands of years ago original wordsa of God, and Budda Zorastian etc were prophets. They even prophecise bthe coming of prophet Muhammed in these scriptures. So it is more than likely God sent prophets to these places thousands of years ago, just tehres no human proof for it

Originally Posted by Joe98

My original comment was that (according to you) god gave a message to the prophet 1,400 years ago.

To which I say he didn’t give the same message to anybody else at that time. You say he gave messages to various people over the last few thousands of years thereby agreeing with my comment.

The problem is that 1,400 years ago communication as poor. Everywhere was remote from everywhere else. Even London was remote at that time.

Yes it was. So? that still doesn't make messagers impossible does it.

So, 1,400 years god should have given his message to a hand full of people around the world. And then today we could marvel that the messages are all the same! And believe!
But he did not. We are all thick yet he gave it to one person only.
And as it’s his final attempt, bad luck for humanity.
This is the god you worship?????

I already answered that one
The messages was conveyed in such a way that it isn't obvious. In the end life is a test and the point is for you to believe in this message. If it were passed on in a way that it was obvious to the whole of mankind then that would defeat the purpose of this test-life all toghether.

yeh mashalah i agree... and it's globalisation in its innocent and pure sense... not the sort we see today where 3rd world countries are used as rubbish bins of the developed countries.

there is enough evidence for the existance of jesus

Originally Posted by iraqi

there is enough evidence for the existance of jesus

Agreed, historicaly and in the scriptures of BOTH Muslims and Christians.

^^ even the jews agree he was around, otherwise they wouldn't be swearing at him and attacking his mum...

Originally Posted by Alpha Dude

Does anyone else think it's cool that globalisation happened when the last message was for all of man?

Ahem. Globalisation took another 1,400 years.

If it were up to religion, there would be no globalisation but the good news is common sense prevailed!

Originally Posted by Joe98

Ahem. Globalisation took another 1,400 years.

If it were up to religion, there would be no globalisation but the good news is common sense prevailed!

Ahem, yes but a globalastion of another sort.. one where the 3rd world countries are enslaved to the richer countries, free trade as long as its fair to the rich countries, but super tariffs on 3rd world countries..

By the time the Islamic empire expanded from east to west, i don't recall any tariffs being imposed between Muslim countries, it was one big economy... i don'ts ee one big economy today...

Originally Posted by Phil12123

I agree. This thread was started with a long, long article by written by some "Pastor" with a PhD degree spouting terrible things that neither Christian nor Muslim would agree with, as far as Jesus not existing, etc. WHY would anyone start such a thread? And why would the moderators permit it. It is VERY "demeaning and offensive" to me as a Christian and does not really promote Islam, just attacks Christianity. I had my avatar removed because it originally said "Jesus is Lord!" and some Muslim said it was "demeaning and offensive". And yet a Muslim can post that long article and it is just fine. Again, it does NOT promote Islam. And it certainly does not foster peace and understanding between Muslims and Christians. So what gives?

Romans 8:28 We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.

We are speaking of Jesus aren't we? We should look forward to anything that brings our Saviour to the forefront.