I've been hearing and seeing lately a lot of drama about weather Jesus actually existed or not. The core argument I suppose would be that there are no historical records of him, and that there are no written journals, (records) or documents from anyone about him, only the Bible. But there is a lot more to the argument than that. These links are just some examples;

http://mwillett.org/atheism/jesusmyth.htm

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/paul/j_myth.htm

Then I found this article from www.thetruthcenter.com :

THE TRUTH OF THE HISTORICAL JESUS & THE MYTHICAL CHRIST

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(Prepared by Pastor Ray Hagins, Ph.D.)

Over 90% of people (in the Christianized Western world) believe that “Jesus Christ” was an actual historical figure. For these people, the only point of controversy about “Jesus” is whether or not he was (or is) the Son of God and the Messiah. However, as never before, there is a great deal of controversy about whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.

According to publications readily found in Christian bookstores, Jesus Christ DID exist! But, I dare you to go to other books stores!!! You will find volumes of literature that clearly reveals, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other god-men, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures. My sincere and exhaustive research has shown me that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from all over the world. I have found that this story about “Jesus Christ” was invented in the year 325 A.D. at the Nicean Council and did not exist as real person who was (or is) the “son of God.”

Historically speaking, my research Jewish literature has revealed to me that approximately 100 years B.C.E., there was a person named Jeshua Ben-Pandira, whose who was a “*******” (illegitimate) child. His mother was named Mary. His father, named whose name was Joseph Pandira, lived next door to Mary. One night he came home drunk and encountered Mary and raped her. She conceived and according to so-called Jewish custom would have been put to death, but the man that she was engaged to (Joseph Ben Stada) married her to take away her reproach. Because this child was conceived in such a manner and was therefore seen as a “******* child;” Joseph Ben Stada took his wife, Mary, and her son Jeshua and moved to Egypt where this child received his education.

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, literary prevarication was used quite a bit from the first though the 5th and 6th centuries. Eusebius, a so-called “church father” is said to have been “an unbelievable liar who regularly wrote his own fictions about the life and deeds of “the Lord. Jesus.”

Pope Leo X, who was one of the most powerful Popes in the history of the Roman Catholic Church made this curious declaration, “What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!” Yet, many “dissenters” (those who differed in belief and rejected the doctrines of the Established Church in England or Scotland) were viciously refuted or murdered for exposing those religious leaders who were fooling the masses with their fictional teachings.

It is important that we understand that the ONLY literary evidence of the existence of a so-called “Jesus Christ” is in the four gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John) of the New Testament. Any and all other references, ideas, imaginations, movies, etc., are taken from these writings.

Ask yourself why the so-called “Paul,” never discussed an historical background of Jesus, but rather only about a spiritual being who he called “Christ” (who was known to all gnostic sects for hundreds to thousands of years). The few supposed historical references to an actual life of Jesus mentioned in the Pauline Epistles are interpolations and forgeries, as are the Epistles themselves, as they were not written by Paul.

It is also very interesting that the Pauline literature does not refer to Pilate or the Romans, or Caiaphas, or the Sanhedrin, or Herod or Judas, or the holy women, or any person or event in the gospels’ account of the Passion, and never makes any allusion to them.

It is even more interesting that Paul never quotes from Jesus’ purported sermons and speeches, parables and prayers, nor does he mention Jesus’ supernatural birth or any of his alleged wonders and miracles.

THERE IS NO NON-BIBLICAL EVIDENCE OF THE EXISTENCE OF A JESUS CHRIST!!!

There are no non-biblical references to a historical Jesus by any known historian of the time during and after Jesus’ purported advent. No literate person of his (Jesus’) own time mentioned him in any known writing. The eminent Hellenistic Jewish historian and philosopher Philo (20 B.C.E.-50 C.E.), who was alive at the purported time of Jesus, makes no mention of him. Nor do any of the some 40 other historians who wrote during the first one to two centuries of the Common Era. Enough of the writings of [these] authors . . . remain to form a library.

In the entire works of the Jewish historian Josephus, which constitute many volumes, there are only two small paragraphs that supposedly refer to Jesus. Although much has been made of these “references,” they have been dismissed by all scholars and even by Christian apologists as forgeries. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof; yet, no proof of any kind for the historicity of Jesus has ever existed.

My research has brought me to the conclusion that THERE WAS NO SINGLE HISTORICAL PERSON UPON WHOM THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION WAS FOUNDED, and that “Jesus Christ” is a compilation of legends, heroes, gods and god-men. Time will not permit us to go into detail about each god or god-man that plagiarists and copyists used to contribute to the formation of the Jewish Jesus character; however, there is plenty of documentation to show that this issue is not a question of “faith” or “belief.”

The fictionalized story of Jesus nearly identically parallels the stories of Horus, Krishna, Buddha, Mithra, Prometheus, and many others ALL of whom predate the Romanized Jesus story by hundreds to thousands of years.

EVERY CULTURE HAD A SAVIOR BUT THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!! HENCE, THE ROMANIZED CHRIST!

The following world saviors and “sons of God,” were crucified or executed and was resurrected from the dead and ascended to heaven. AND they predate the so-called “Jesus Christ.”

1. Adad of Assyria
2. Adonis, Apollo, Heracles (“Hercules”) and Zeus of Greece
3. Alcides of Thebes
4. Attis of Phrygia
5. Baal of Phoenicia
6. Bali of Afghanistan
7. Beddru of Japan
8. Buddha of India
9. Crite of Chaldea
10. Deva Tat of Siam
11. Hesus of the Druids
11. Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired, bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character
12. Indra of Tibet/India
13. Jao of Nepal
14. Krishna of India
15. Mikado of the Sintoos
16. Mithra of Persia
17. Odin of the Scandinavians
18. Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece
19. Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
20. Salivahana of Bermuda
21. Tammuz of Syria (who was, in a typical mythmaking move, later turned into the disciple Thomas
22. Thor of the Gauls
23. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
24. Wittoba of the Bilingonese
25. Xamolxis of Thrace
26. Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia
27. Zoar of the Bonzes

THE MAJOR PLAYERS

Horus of Egypt(ca. 10,000 B.C.E.)


The stories of Jesus and Horus are VERY similar, with Horus even contributing the name of Jesus Christ. Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable in the mythos (“I and my Father are one”). The legends of Horus go back to ca. 10,000 B.C.E.


1. Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
2. He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old.
3. Horus was baptized by “Anup the Baptizer,” who becomes “John the Baptist.”
4. He had 12 disciples.
5. He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
6. He walked on water.
7. Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
8. He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
9. He was also the “Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God’s Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word” etc.
10. He was “the Fisher,” and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish (“Ichthys”).
11. Horus’s personal epithet was “Iusa,” the “ever-becoming son” of “Ptah,” the “Father.”
12. Horus was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One,” thousands of years before the Romanized Christ.


In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis - the original “Madonna and Child.


Krishna of India (ca. 5,000 B.C.E.)


Gerald Massey finds over 100 similarities between the Hindu and Christian saviors, and Kersey Graves, who includes the various non-canonical gospels in his analysis, lists over 300 likenesses.


1. Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (“Divine One”)
2. His father was a carpenter.
3. His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh.
4. He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
5. He was of royal descent.
6. He was baptized in the River Ganges.
7. He worked miracles and wonders.
8. He raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind.
9. Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love.
10. “He lived poor and he loved the poor.”
11. He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
12. He died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
13. He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
14. Krishna is called the “Shepherd God” and “Lord of lords,” and was considered “the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator, Universal Word.”
15. He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself the “Resurrection” and the “way to the Father.”
16. He was considered the “Beginning, the Middle and the End,” (“Alpha and Omega”), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.
17. His disciples bestowed upon him the title “Jezeus,” meaning “pure essence.”
18. Krishna is to return to do battle with the “Prince of Evil,” who will desolate the earth.


Mithra, Sun-god of Persia (ca. 600 B.C.E.)


1. Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25th.
2. He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
3. He had 12 companions or disciples.
4. He performed miracles.
5. He was buried in a tomb.
6. After three days he rose again.
7. His resurrection was celebrated every year.
8. Mithra was called “the Good Shepherd.”
9. He was considered “the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah.”
10. He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb. His sacred day was Sunday, “the Lord’s Day,” hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
11. Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected.
12. His religion had a Eucharist or “Lord’s Supper.”


Buddha (ca. 500 B.C.E)


1. Buddha was born of the virgin Maya, who was considered the “Queen of Heaven.” (cf. Jer 44:25).
2. He was of royal descent.
3. He crushed a serpent’s head.
4. He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a “small basket of cakes,” and walked on water.
5. He abolished idolatry, was a “sower of the word,” and preached “the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness.
6. He taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all.
7. He was transfigured on a mount.
8. Sakya Buddha was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected.
9. He ascended to Nirvana or “heaven.”
10. Buddha was considered the “Good Shepherd”, the “Carpenter”, the “Infinite and Everlasting.”
11. He was called the “Savior of the World” and the “Light of the World.”


Prometheus of Greece


1. Prometheus descended from heaven as God incarnate as man, to save mankind.
2. He was crucified, suffered and rose from the dead.
3. He was called the Logos or Word.


The “Son” of God is the “Sun” of God


The reason why all these narratives are so similar, with a god-man who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astro-theological development that can be found throughout the planet because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel story is an account of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.


For instance, most of the world’s crucified god-men have their traditional birthday on December 25th (“Christmas”). This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earth-centric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that “God’s sun” had “died” for three days and was “born again” on December 25th. The ancients realized that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the birthday of the “sun of God” on December 25th. The following are the characteristics of the “sun of God”:


1. The sun “dies” for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.


NOTE: In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and therefore, the sun would be “born of a Virgin.”


2. The sun is the “Light of the World.”
3. The sun “cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him.”
4. The sun rising in the morning is the “Savior of mankind.” The sun wears a corona, “crown of thorns” or halo.
5. The sun “walks on water.”
6. The sun’s “followers,” “helpers” or “disciples” are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the “Most High”; thus, “he” begins “his Father’s work” at “age” 12.
7. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the “Sun of God” begins his ministry at “age” 30. It exits each sign of the zodiac at 33°; hence Jesus dies at the age of 33 years old.
8. The sun is hung on a cross or “crucified,” which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.


Contrary to popular belief, the ancient Africans were not an ignorant and superstitious lot who actually believed their deities to be literal characters. Indeed, this slanderous propaganda has been part of the conspiracy of psychopathic racism and cultural supremacy to make the ancient Africans appear as if they were truly the “dark and dumb savages” that was in need of the “light of Jesus.”


The reality is that the ancient Africans were no less advanced in their morals and spiritual practices, and were far more advanced, than the Euro-Gentile Christians in their own supposed morality and ideology, which, in its very attempt at historicity, is in actuality a degradation of the ancient mysteries. Indeed, unlike the “superior” Euro-Gentile-Greco-Roman Christians, the true intelligentsia amongst the ancient Africans were well aware that their gods were astronomical and atmospheric in nature.
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I don't know if Jesus truly existed or not, because I wasn't there...but do you believe absolutely without a doubt that this man is not a myth? Or is? I just want your opinions...

What do you think?