you're welcome


In this I am adamant in disagreement. The most common cause of any lack of necessary knowledge in Humans is that shaytan are tricking.

I will post it in the next post.
Good point, my Arabic is lacking. Kafr of disbelieving is causal to kafir existing. That is the difficult fact of the matter. It is however a discussion belonging in an other thread.


Sorry but a sprout can not "re-incarnate", and neither can you or I. But also Aboriginal belief systems are far removed from those Asian belief systems in which a "rich way of life" is accessed by causing that other persons take to themselves the mental processes of non-belief, and you seem to be implying that Aboriginal culture is one of such cultural systems in which such is rife.

Perhaps the unanswered question is only "where is it that I am from before being this me I now am?" since if we are a Human Soul then our Soul is immortal. Are you able to cause the full evolution of a Human Soul within your own physical body now in this modern age? Aborigines believe that the number of existing Human Souls is already counted. Were were you before being silver pearl? I was in a Kangaroo. I know this by being able to Dream within Kangaroo form. This is the basis of the genetic difference I experience as an Aborigine. Yet aligned with this is that I bear no assumption what so ever that I could cause my self to exist again in Human form. My body will die eventually because of what it has been subject to. Then I will be rotting in the grave and eventually some of the molecules which now form my body will become part of another life form. Only as Allah wills may I exist ever in any living form, and thus I can not believe in reincarnation since I know not what Allah's future will is for me. I only know that I will pass through a transition. In Aboriginal culture the transition that is a form of the fire of hell, and that can be comprehended as less than desirable by the teaching of reincarnation, and is that fact of existing within flora and/or fauna etc, is taught as a fact of life to bear with pride.

May I apologise to you sister Silver Pearl that I experienced no distress what so ever in respect of any of your posts. That I have been in a bad mood bears no relevance to you. I must apologise also that this matter is one in which I might express that other Muslims have never before oriented to as you now discribe "any other Muslim would". I hope that any other Muslim who would could post here also.

The matter is of an immediate significance to Australian Aborigines because many wish to convert but are being put off converting to Islam because of Shaytan whom are already familiar with Aboriginal culture whom have been instructing Aborigines that we must never believe that we can turn into an animal. Yet for us the comprehension is inimical with Islamic teaching about the fire, and the passage through; in which each of us are given the choice that accords both our experiential knowledge and the fact of the ablity of our Soul. We happen to be a group of persons whom have been already tempering ourselves to the fire long before Islam became among us; and so are very much more readily inclined to believe immediately in those aspects of Islamic teaching. Yet what is difficult is that over the past few hundred years; and there is peripheral evidence to suggest that such began from Asia before the invasion from England: we have experienced increasing numbers of shaytan whom we are in contact with and whom have been supposing to be able to use us to cause that they never need enter the fire.

My understanding is that many shaytan are able to disbelieve that they can be forced into the fire only because in all the world they have always been able to avoid Animist initiations. That is, for some reason they never become animals. Yet in Aboriginal they are recorded as able to be caused to exist as birds. Islam teaches that a form of green bird will exist in Jannah.

Also shaytan are not Jinn. This is an important part of belief. Iblis is a Jinn whom for a time existed in a form that we are able to comprehend as Satan or Shaytan; but He was redeemed in a relative sense, and is again now Iblis. Yet that form He existed in as Shaytan left a track of self-record that those Souls whom are named shaytan like to inhabit to inform themself. Often Souls whom are Shaytan, are as people, unable to discriminate their own self from the self of the Jinn. Yet they are ill for it is not that they have let themselves be possessed by Jinn; but that they utilise the sin of lust to access black magic with which they have stolen from Jinn when Jinn are in the form of children. Yet also Shaytan have no control over Jinn. Jinn are born of fire and so the fire is familar to Jinn. In that Jinn are able to accomodate Shaytan stealing from without letting Shaytan know that the theft is being recorded and provided as evidence to Allah against the Shaytan. Jinn are willing to cause that the self Shaytan steal and imagine is their own self; is established to be used to hold Shaytan into the fire when Judgement occurs.

Aboriginal culture is effected very greatly by the fact that we have always had Jinn whom we regard as leaders and respected the supernatural qualities of. It is NOW that among the Jinn are many whom are converting to Islam; and this is a part of why I even begun this thread. Because Jinn are leaders in Aboriginal society, in must be ascertained in what aspects Aboriginal culture needs to be immediately changed. Obviously we are already much changed and many are already in full Faith in Jesus.

Perhaps you are correct. Aboriginal culture is adept at exposing Shaytan. It is that our men trick Shaytan into believing lies about us but that the trick takes two forms. Either that we seem also to use the exact same black magic when we are not; or that we manifest as very much more ignorant than is real so as that Shaytan believe that they can control us. We are enabled to "let" Shaytan 'do' their tricks through us, so as to obtain evidence of what such tricks are. But in which we must accept a portion of the fire that the Shaytan should pay. Yet by according such to our own self we are also thereby enabled to enforce that Shaytan also accept.

Shaytan are quite cruel in their ways but only because they are unable to believe that Humanity can accept the reality for Humans. That is becaue Human reality is different. A Human to a Shaytan is like an Angel to a Human. Angel's also are attuned to a different reality. Jinn are able to comprehend the reality of Shaytan as well as Human and occassionally among good Jinn, the reality of Angels. It is within such comprehension that Jinn choose to be poorly reputed, and in their self being accessible to Shaytan it is really impossible to prevent. Especially while Shaytan are demanding most perfect Human selves. But this is why Shaytan are unable to prevent themselves being cruel. Most likely Humans would manfiest with cruelty if expected to adhere to the accountiblity of an Angel.

Perhaps the whole equation will only eventually end with many Muslims becoming convinced that all Aborigines are Shaytan faking being Muslims. I don't know and I don't really care what others suppose of Aborigines; but what I do care about is that Islamic teaching is made accessible to Aborigines immediately. For this purpose it is essential that we Aborigines learn what among all our beliefs could imply a non-Muslim idea.

I am sure that we can all agree upon that essential need.

Ramadan Kareem wasalam

I have written elsewhere that we are very well educated in Traditional culture so as to enable self knowledge within which it is possible to seperate your own self caused Dreams from those Allah provides. Also as I have indicated we have Jinn among us. Jinn are adept at specialisng in exorcism of the effects of Shaytan, and so enabled a culture in which Dreams can be read. The Dream I described was most certainly about to head towards what I would have called a nightmare if I had not immediately woken up and in Allah been able to interpret the Dream. I believe that I was assisted to receive it by Prayer from Muslims in America since it was within a larger framework of Dreams of receiving much teaching from Indigenous American Muslims. The Dream clarified the biological difference in my experience as such exists in the psychology, and so is able to be traced to culture.

The biological difference is proven in that it prevents abuse of breathing during intimacy between Husband and wife. It can be self observed in muscle function during any such activity; but it also accords differences in the structure of muscle groups that are visually apparent. Watching a team of Aborigines playing Aussie rules football and these differences can be seen, but in general I am only able to be certain in such differences from having read many texts about various different physical practises that are not a part of Islamic teaching, and noticing that my body can not respond in the way that, for example, the Iron Shirt school of Kung Fu, instructs in.

It is very apparent as a white skin person who is an Aborigine that we are in fact not overthrown but that our planning for a gradual causing of all invaders to become also Aborigines is more or less on track despite modern economies.

My own experience validates time and time again that the difference is genetic. I can not respond as white culture demands of me to take any advantage in. This is why I am become Muslim. Consider the fact that I have oriented to Islam without any single other person in among all my friends and acquaintances having so oriented, and within a social condition in which such is being held against me, and I am rarely either supported by local Muslims whom find it hard to believe that I am a true believer only because not one of them taught me Islam.

It is biologically based that I can not manifest believe in mainstream Australian society. I can believe in Jesus from my earliest years. I can manifest belief in Traditional Aboriginal cosmology. I believe in Islam. But I am expressly unable to manifest belief in many aspects modern mainstream Australian society. Those aspects I can believe in are those aspects which I can trace to either Aboriginal culture's impact in Australia, or Islam's impact in Europe. The fact of my biology is unequivocal. This has been difficult for Muslims in Australia to accept. Yet there are also many more Shaytan among the Muslims whom are emmigrated to Australia than among Muslims in other parts of the world. Shaytan do not like to be known and so do not like Aborigines of Australia. Yet they flock to our shores to take advantage of Aborigines. However, any Human whom has read this thread will only be enabled to realise that such is the measure of entrapping Shaytan into the fire.

These are difficult matters to comprehend. There is no doubt.

(that thread url is: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...rigines-2.html (What is the belief of the Australian Aborigines?) ... my first post in that thread which made my comprehension most explicit was removed so it is unclear to me how much of my comprehension of how Australian Aborigines were able to avoid the existance of any kafir is able to be portrayed among Muslims; but it is an excellent thread.)

wasalam

Any new comers to this thread may need to go back over Silver Pearl's first post to refamiliarise themselves with the sentences of my own that this are placed after in her work. Yet also could I ask that any reader also ensures that those sentences are read within their own overall context also.

What is overwhelmingly clear to me is that it is virtually impossible for many persons to believe that a biological difference that is not so overt as skin colour can linger on within a different culture and make a lasting impact.

The nature of imparting culture is necessarily an embodiment of not being clear as to whether any matter is intended metaphorically or literally; but I will establish that my real experience is all I have reported upon, so it is best to believe in what I am writing literally. If a Muslim wished not to be indoctrinated by my thread into any animist belief structure themself, then they need to accept my words literally as equitably as any persons wishing to be indoctrinated within Aboriginal culture to impart Islam need to accept the same words literally.

On the whole in respect of all the above material I wish to establish that Aboriginal culture is not inclined toward metaphors: and in that we are also less inclined toward mental patterns in which cam be "questioned the nature of everything". Above all else in the Aboriginal world view is the immediate importance of environment.

I would also here like to establish that my own personal belief is that the word culture implies an embodiment of Faith in the five pillars. Any other belief structure can only be cult rather than culture. Yet I might make an attempt to establish that the pillar of Hajj could manifest as pilgrimage to a site closer than Mecca for any person unable to afford that journey, and that overall it is connected with a Human acceptance of responsiblity for Earth. So much of Aboriginal travel on "walkabout" could be regarded as upholding that pillar. But most of all I need to assert that the pillar of attending to worldly matters is utmost within Aboriginal culture. That is why I am needing to place any description of Aboriginal culture within a story true to my own life that proves me as a person so qualified.

But over all in response to Silver Pearl what I am needing to establish is that much of her posts are equanimical with the misinformation that has been spread throughout modern Australia about Traditionally Oriented Aboriginal culture. There even exist false dot paintings the promote such and are made by shaytans. Silver Pearl ironically best expresses this in the sentences in which she refutes believing that I have been "groomed as an animist". The fact is that my Father may not have borne in mind that he was "grooming" me into animist belief; but that is certainly what is happening in very many white Australian contexts. Yet my total observance is that such makes us a people who more readily accept Islam. Accepting an Animist world veiw is not to assert Humanity as less than Human! The reality I believe from worldy experience is that once the Jinn are all in Islam so will the rest of Aboriginal Australia be. Yet that my own worldly experience is that of an Australian Aborigine, and a white fella who fell into Islam, there are few persons whom are able to sustain believing in what I am able to; but only because so few yet today share my experience.

Here is an example. The day Steve Irwin died there were a number of bizzare occurrances all around. A green parrot swooped me which can be read as a sign of an early death within Traditional Animist culture. Then ever since then I have been experiencing Dreams of him and his family and even of giving him some rapid underwater lessons in Islam. Yet who can make sense of these Dreams but other Australians?

wasalam

Alaikumassalam,

This morning I bought an Aboriginal identified news paper; the one that the poetry in the thread I opened about Aboriginal poetry was published in. It is the most read newspaper that identifies itself as being for the Aboriginal community in Australia.

However today it carries an article stating that there exists an "industry" in which persons seek to profit from obtaining "Confirmation of Identity". The writer tells that it is her belief that the current Australian legislation is too lenient upon those of us without any immediately identifyable Aboriginal Ancestry. There is a clear move within portions of the Aboriginal community to prevent persons like my self and my whole family from becoming able to be externally identified as of the Aboriginal race. But those whom support such are never reticient to accept my Aboriginality face to face. However one woman (actually a shaytan) recently said to me that I can't get my Aboriginality acknowledged, because she hasn't got any material reparations from the oppression of Aborigines herself yet. It seems that most persons within the community of persons whom are identified as Aboraiginal are stuck in the rut shaytans carve of supposing that the identify of being an Aborigine is all about crying poor and crying hard-done-by and crying that the government owes us. So I am taking this recent report in the news paper only as verification that the news I heard about an invasion of Australia prior to the invasion by the English, and of shaytan from the far east, is all the more provable.

Many Aboriginal persons are obviously regarding mainstream Australian society as obviously full of persons of Aboriginal descent; and believe that the more of us are identifying the better. In fact us mainstreamed and usually white Aborigines are held at fault by those who run such newspapers for having hidden our Aboriginality. Yet when I began to publically identify my children were removed from me. I was labelled as insane for believing in a black skin persons culture as a white skin person whom was brought up within mainstream white oriented culture of 'the west'. So for me it has been a bit of a battle to factually substantiate my Aboriginality on paper so as to prove my sanity ("no, I did not have any delusions that my skin is black": that has been the standard of the legal arguments upon which my children were removed); but now, just at the brink of being able to prove my Aboriginality on paper in court, I am faced with an article in the news paper refuting all persons like me, as though we are only pretending to be Aborigines to get rich. The absurdity of such shaytans is that they are point blank disproving their very claim to having been oppressed. Factually I have lost a house and a car and custody of my children by asserting openly that my biological race is Australian Aborigine. I am never refuted in my knowledge of this. But often when I display any faith in the cultural origins of such I am accused of theft from black folk by black shaytans. Surely one would think that by now they would have comprehended what is occuring? Our culture is proving our means of condemning shaytans as effective, if over a number of generations.

The article in the news paper is attempting to substantiate that no person should access an Aboriginal identity unless they can also prove an unbroken line of persons in their heredity whom openly claimed Aboriginality. Well I say fair enough. If that is what the shaytan want, then let them become known as the genuine Aboriginal persons of Australia.

But they will not ever damage Aboriginal culture and cause it to seem as though it is a culture that supports shaytan. Any person whom ever has learned to perform an Australian Aboriginal dance will be certain that Australian Aborigines bear no tolerance with falsehoods in the name of reincarnation.

So that is really what I am making this post for. I had forgotten to mention dance before. Dance is an integral aspect of Aboriginal culture. No ceremony takes place without some kind of dancing. When you dance an Indigenous Australian Dance, then you only know what of yourself your Humanity is not, and that such self you own will fall into that very shape upon your death.

My reputation was sullied somewhat initially only because I dance better than black shaytan, whom bear considerable resentment about being black, and bearing with racism, so as to feign that they are not shaytan. Oh well, I guess they will all have to bear with me being only known as a Muslim of external identification.

wasalam

Alaikumassalam,

I am so sick of my self posting in answer to my own posts; but that seems to be the way of this.

However there is a bit further commentary I am finding my self obliged toward.

This is the case. It is manifesting that in the modern social setting Aboriginal cutlure is proving less than adept at protection of children. I have been aware of this for a considerable time longer than most and am at all times in mind of what needs to be in place for better protection of my own children. My base line belief is that there has simply not yet been a long enough period of adaptation from a hunter-gatherer subsistence economy. Not so many generations ago Aborigines were only in immediate contact with close family for almost all the year. Actually not only immediate contact but any contact at all. Our ancestors may have only once a year met up with one another external to very tight knit family groups. So the types of inter faces that I have described as the first interactions that occur were unusual, where as now such are occuring upon a daily basis.

However it is illustrative that Steve Irwin had found a happy medium of culture between the Australian mainstream and the American. In many ways American Indigenous culture and Australian accomodate pride in polar opposite extremes. The American example is definitely provident of better external social lessons for children.

But then, I learned my self in an Irish setting, and without the Irish having allowed me into their culture I might not have learned my own culture so well. The Irish are truly the most adept of all shaytan at shaytan catching after all. But as to whether it will become true that Ireland is the last place in population to enter the fire, why that is still anybody's call.

wasalam

What is the meaning of the word "shayton"?

Greetings,
satan

regards,

Assalamaalaikum

Shaytan is Arabic for Satan; and I tend to use the Arabic comprehension of Satan when I spell it Shaytan.

There is a longer exposition of the full meaning. Satan is the name of the self that He was forced to exist within by the work of Souls whose cause is that of inhabiting Moon rather than Earth. His real name is Iblis.

The self that He inhabited as Satan is now that accessed regularly by a group of Souls whom are not Human Souls but yet have long inhabited Earth.

There are four sorts of Souls existing at Earth.

The Jinn, among whom is Iblis. There are eight whole Jinn: but Jinn are different from other people and manifest that one single life form has many individual persons, (usually 12). Mohammed (Peace go with Him always) spoke that Jinn also exist as a flying being, like to snakes and dogs, and in a place but able to move around.

Angels. There are very many other teachings about Angels that I need report little here. The fundamental nature of an Angel is to not be able to refute any self they encounter; so it can seem as constant miracle an Angel manifests goodly innocence, but due to hard work on the part of the Angel alone and in Allah.

Humans. Well if you are not yet knowing about a Human I guess that all I can state is the most of Islamic teaching is about being Human.

Shaytan. As an Angel is to a Human; a Human is to a Shaytan. But because of a sequencing accident in the formation of Moon, that it became into existance too soon, it happened that Shaytan first came into being at Earth instead of at Moon. But they got too naughty, and the Jinn came down to sort them out; that being why they share name with that Iblis bore a while. The Jinn are who took it upon their own self to eventually account for every instance of the black magic which Shatyan have worked. Their work is terrible in consequence for Human; but accords them their true status.

I hope that helps. I am not sure how many Aboriginal Australians are believing in this teaching; but I know of many, but whom have no external means of expressing it or relating what is known within Aboriginal Tradition back into this expression I am providing, which is basically Islamic rather than from Aboriginal antiquity.

wasalam

I am an Australian but not an Aboriginal.

I only wish all the best for Aboriginal Australians.

Now that we have defined shaytan, what does this mean?




How do you know black shaytan are resentful?

I thought Australian Aborigines was animism,as well the malay aborigines belief.But they were definitely different.Recently i saw on tv in NetGeo or Discovery(not so sure)they do a research about early human genetics,how they spread to all over the globe and of course the aussie aborigines is one of the main subject.

Suprisingly they came to Australia by foot from their ancestors land in Africa,its being proved by a new discovery. Lot of genetics related to their ancestors were found along the Indian coast line.At the same time has rejected the famous theory,they directly travelling by the sea,from Africa to Australia.

However they still have to cross the sea when reaching the Sunda Shelf,now in Malaysia Peninsular coast line. During Glacial periods, the sea level falls, and great expanses of the Sunda Shelf are exposed as a marshy plain. The seas and bays that cover the Sunda Shelf are less than 100 m deep.And that was an advantage to make their journey easier.Today, the Sunda Shelf are invisible because its cover by water due to the melting of ice age process took place.

And i need to find more... check these out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H...icolors%29.png

physically the Australian aborigines have similarities with "Negritos" in Malaysia, which I presumed have African ancestry.

Yeaa,but genetically could showed the other way...there are several wave and different route of migration were occured during the prehistoric period..the Negritos in other hand took a migration trip in later period than the Aussies Aborigines plus,if im not wrong.. they(Negritos) use a Pacific Ocean as a migration route,while the Aussies Aborigines took the opposite direction,using the land not the sea due to lack of knowledge in maritime.

She broke my nose; well actually she tried to, and then an Aboriginal woman who was not a shaytan broke it for the shaytan who wanted to.

Their resentment towards me only seems to be caused by skin colour. They express it as though hating me because I am white. They have made accusations against me as though I am an oppressive white persons continuing cultural theft from them only because I know and respect Aboriginal culture. How I acquired my own cultural knowledge is completely within Traditional Aboriginal law, but they could get away with accusing me because I am white. However the basis of their hate of me is that I can comprehend what a shaytan is, and distinguish a shaytan from other folk. This is a group of black skin persons whom are inclined toward working aligned with white policing. They are often referred to as "with police" by many Aborigines.

glad to know you are an Aussie Joe98! (but an Irish Aussie or among ?)

wasalam

Alaikumassalam,

It is good to enquire as to the archaeology of Aborigines as a race. The oldest existing archaeological evidence of any Human observance of the funeral passage/death rites, is Australian.

Among Aboriginal Australians are those who believe their ancestors always were here; those who believe their ancestors were from far east Asia (One close friend believes His own original ancestry is connected to Korea); and those who believe their ancestors were from India. (often describing their ancestors as Pearl divers) But that is when Aborigines give external consideration to such matters which is rare. Usually we all just regard that we who are here now are who we are.

However I once heard on the radio there has been some genetic code testing done which proves that Australian Aborigines are the only race to contain the genetic codes of every other race within our race. I don't know what that means. Somebody else told me that the races of the world can be divided into seven distinct groups genetically, but I do not know what that means either. However I can surmise that there exist seven distinct and well established cultural patterns which have caused repeating of seven specific genetic traits. But I do not know.

wasalam

I am an Australian Aboriginal, it is our belief that we have always been here! We come from the land, are part of it and as such are connected to the area in which we come from. We did not walk here from Africa!

Robyn