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| ma Na'raf shee Status: Offline Posts: 14,005 Reputation: 107380 Rep Power: 172 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Zeeland ND, at last a single address Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | An area of concern for me is the mythology that seems to make up a Large part of your. culture.
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| Hi! that I am this Status: Offline Posts: 976 Reputation: 972 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: born Armidale 1968 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Alaikumassalam,
__________________Well, surely it is that there is no possiblity of preventing any mythology from interfacing with Qur'an! Qur'an and ahadith must supplant all existing mythology that is not already in accord with. However I will tell you up front that the whole of my instruction within Aboriginal culture is an instruction into the psychology of a scientific comprehension of the stories we live true to that are usually held to be mythology. In Aboriginal Australia our stories are strictly regulated and very close already to Qur'an. You may be regarding that mythology is a term that defines the stories that shaytan make rather than the truth. But it is that the stories that are true and real for Aboriginal Australians have been relegated to the realm of a mythology. From that perspective most of us are looking around a the whole world of "MYTHOS" and are thinking to ourselves, "look over there in the Middle East, they believe in the same reality as us!" ; so it is that I am using the word mythology a little different from they way you are. Factually most of Qur'anic teaching is regarded within the mainstream west as "mythology" also, is it not? So as Muslims we surely must all consider every distinct cultures own stories from within the framework of direct comparison between those stories and Qur'an and ahadith, rather than from any perspective that tries to define any set of stories as lesser than others by defining as "mythology". Mythos is essential. It is what we all beleive yet are unable to express. Qur'an is miraculous by expression of the most important aspects of Mythos. So perhaps if you had asked only: "is there a truly scientific process by which you are affirming which aspects of Australian Aboriginal Mythos are reality according to Allah's breath of Qur'an"; then I can answer. Yes. In fact already I have been reminded of that exact science and prepared a new post that I will place after this one. Frankly, I do not believe that the whole of my post can be broken up without taking it out of culture. But it makes sense that a Muslim would want to work it like that so as not to be impinged upon by any aspect of what I write that might be non-Islamic. So for now I can only state that I have written at all times within a critical framework that adheres to Islam. Insha Allah any Muslim will be able to read my descriptions of Australian Aboriginal cosmology without experiencing any negative impact upon their own comprehension of the real world in Allah, according to Qur'an and ahadith. So I then should make that new post next. All the while understanding that it must be a substantial commitment of either interest or Human kindness, to accomodate reading the entirety of any of these posts. But nobody is forced to want to know. Mu'asalam
Within the Realm of King Solomon Who could have known I was home grown An accuser's false allegation Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences its shaytan leeches who accuse my unconscious sleep of accusing you too cheep I will be selling for five times three centsiblity |
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| Hi! that I am this Status: Offline Posts: 976 Reputation: 972 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: born Armidale 1968 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Alaikumassalam (this is written today, the day after opening the thread, but before reading Woodrow's posts and making the reply in the immediately preceeding post)
__________________I have now slept upon the matter of the essay I wrote yesterday as the first post in this thread. There are a number of additional comments I need to place here. Take heart in the fact that in this post I will write further to the obvious fall that is our first initiation. That we all just land in the pot of “we are all just too bad to be Human beings” really is not enough to substantiate any culture. But really what I am here reporting to is that there are immediate repercussions in my own life to having posted the description of our culture that I gave yesterday. Mainly in having used another writers description of Bhyame's first initiation, but that reveals an aspect of the nature of that story. First is that: I may not have made as precise as I am able, that an integral part of Aboriginal culture is that no person may assume ownership of any story, nor act upon any story as though their own, without have both been given the story within the world of empirical evidence, and also having already Dreamed the story. It is that when a person Dreams in any specific story, (bearing in mind that we are all inclined to Dream in only that story which our mitochondrial DNA prescribes, that is, unless shaytan interfer), that story is what can manifest within the world of bodily sensiblity. Once a person begins to Dream in any story then they find the evidence of that story, yet also if they are not already Dreaming in the right story for their own bones, they can be verbally given the right story, that they can Dream it, and then begin to manifest within it. But to place belief in any story as real it must be both Dreamed and experienced in only that empirical evidence that is receptive. Therefore, once Aborigines begin to listen to Qur'an, even without any translations, our stories that concurr with Qur'an, and then also ahadith, are those that become most prevalent. In a distressing way it is that only through ahadith are we enabled to reconcile our existing mythology with Qur'an. However, we are a culture that has always been sustained by attending to the presence of the Jinn among us. A Wirrun whom is described as a powerful Wirrun, is a Jinn, when in proper definition, although there are of course as many false wirrun as there are shaytan. Ordinarily a good Wirrun is like any good Shaman, but more often of a Snake story than a Lizard. I mention these matters here simply because it is already occuring in my own immediate experiences subsequent to making any mental associations between my self as a white skin person, and being able to express any teaching correctly within Aboriginal culture, that shaytan are trying to disprove what I am teaching as being properly Aboriginal. It was only to be expected really; especially since they work to the purpose of manifesting only white skin. Such manifestations factually enable me to reveal what it is that shaytans will attempt in order to thwart the process of Aborigines fully culturally adapting our stories within Qur'an. The management of pride within Aboriginal culture, in a way that prevents any man from expressing very much pride without becoming publically shamed, is enabling that shaytan always expose their tricks. Yet such requires that the whole population accept that there is no measure by which any Human can live within Humanity of mind without first existing in the form of an animal. The ideal is to at all times pay through fire for every anticipated fall in advance of falling. That is why Australians are more enabled to accept The Hour of Judgement ahead of other races, and in knowledge that we may even yet need to pay through fire further than only once. Yet we, by no measure believe in any such thing as re-incarnation. I may never again manifest with this self, and its perception of the world and what is realisable, but only trust in Allah that my entire being may meet fire, and only what Allah alone knows is essential of my self to know reality with, can be saved; it is only that every good Human manifestation requires a payment of transition through fire in advance, and that I will continue to live through death; but perhaps only without knowing how I am able to thus continue; that is, by sacrificing the very certainty in how we can manifest as Human beings, only are we enabled to manifest as a Human being. Thereby we are in certain Faith. This is how we readily accept Jesus. There is the fact that today there happen to be more shaytans existing whom are reporting to own Aboriginal culture and identity than there were at the time of Bhyame's first initiation. Therefore it seems that the overarching scheme to draw shaytan here into a trap has been successful. But at this time the cost is not being accounted accurately. It is that shaytan are being believed in their attempts to falisfy Aboriginal culture. For example, there are very many shaytan whom attempt to presribe what stories from the Dreamtime are being taught at this time, and there are many of the more unnecessarily frightening stories available, and less of the real teaching stories. Any person with black skin and an acceptance by other persons with Aboriginal culture can portray what ever they please as a story belonging to the Dreamtime; while white Australians are being relegated to the identity of neo-nazis for so much as engaging in the empirical study of anthropology. Yet more of the white population are adhereing the structure of our life stories to the correct Dreamtime mythology, but being prevented from telling about such within Aboriginal contexts. The aspect of this circumstance that must be put an end to is that the whole picture is manifesting as extremes of racism against persons with black skin. The shaytan with a black Aboriginal identification tend to want such so as to claim that they are owed vast sums of money without needing to work, but money that is non-existant. There are many such claims and some are valid, but these claims are not connected with colour of skin nor expressions of having been hurt. The reality is that any debts owed are owing to persons both black and white whom have been working within the pattern of connecting the culture of the Dreamtime with modern Islam, but whom have had the work robbed. Here is an example: in 2002 I gave a gift of two collections of Dreamtime mythology to two persons whom work among the Canberra Gurdjieff society, in whose home I had been openly welcomed; they accepted the gifts as from a friend, but then named myself as insane for believing that they ever regarded me in any friendship; and I later discovered that many Aboriginal shaytan, both white and black, are according themselves credit for having prevented those exact translations of Dreamtime mythology from attaining prevalence. While the versions that are prevalent have portions missing. Those collected by Roland Robinson are the set I prefer, while those stories I could find in the public library, collected by A.W. Reed are a collection made in collusion with an effort by Rosicrucians to establish that Bhyame is The Dajjal. Of course he is not, but while ever people are using the wrong stories his story is manifesting Him within that function. But really what is the worst of the picture, since Bhyame himself is likely to meet The Hour of His Judgement well enough for his initiation to retain credibility, is that the black skin racial genetic is in need of work done to protect it in its active expression as a recessive genetic. There are of course many different sets of Dreamtime mythology that have been collected, and it is of course impossible to readily discriminate which are sustaining to the black skin genetic and which are not without two facts. First is the knowledge of which are oriented to Qur'an, and second is in experience of living within these stories and perceving where within each on racism is being expressed. Racism is of course, in its every expression, black magic. First and formost we are needing to remind the Aboriginal youth that not every association with the word “black” is to the benefit of black skin persons, as such is what they are being encouraged in, and is portionally why Aboriginal cuture has been so easily typecaste as engaging in black magic. This morning I looked up the story of how the Swans became black because it is a critical part of the whole picture. Within that story all the trouble that is existant at this time is expressed. But first I ought also tell that within the Roland Robinson collection of stories, that is factually widely read, but not so supported by publishers as the A.W. Reed collection, it is that in the story of Bhyame's initiation, Bhyame himself forgives the woman who is left behind with all the children, and is named as who turns everybody into animals for having left her behind, but in that, also turning her and the children in to animals so as to temper them to what they must endure from others in their community. Was it by turning even the children into animals that He was successful in turning all others into animals? Is this the concurrance with Qur'an? Most significantly the A.W. Reed collection mentions a character named Yhi as a female creator spirit, but within a picture of Bhyame never forgiving that mother who was left behind. While in my own Dreams he always eventually forgives her, and Allah is the only creator. The story of the black swans relates to the same string of stories as has Jason and the Golden Fleece; but the Golden Fleece is named as the best weapons. At the start of the story, as it is in the A.W. Reed Collection, Wahn the Crow, who is the main male character, has travelled for a thousand and one days and nights across a vast desert, around the back of the Mountain that is the last resting place of Bhyame, (known as the Glass House mountains here in Queensland), and over a lake to a place where woman camp. There the women are busy making the best weapons available. They have no animals. Occasionally they trade some weapons for food from the men but never meet them. Now it is that at this time what I have witnessed is that Wahn the Crow's story has been taken by a few too many different men, and that the only one of whom actually managed to travel the one thousand and one days and nights, travelled in the wrong direction and never made it into the modern Aboriginal context and failed in the first instance to remember his evidence of the women being Aborigines. While the man whom was most assisted as the true Wahn the Crow fell off the story by using herion, and another Wahn the Crow stepped into his place; but whom never needed to travel nearly so many days and nights to find the women's camp and access those weapons. So this is where the story is going wrong. (This can connect with the fact of longer term assistance provided to Aboriginal Australia through the Gurdjieff Society in Canberra having been all used up by the wrong persons before it was ever provided; and then distinct assistance provided from Islam to my self, yet again through the Gurdjieff oriented work, between Easter 2004 and Easter 2006, having been received by my self between Easter 2001 and Easter 2003, and enabling me to recover during the exact time in which the stories were first being corrupted around me by the wrong persons portraying themselves as the main characters in the stories. These facts are causal to the work to re-establish Aboriginal Kinship structures having been radically corrupted through the Aboriginal tent embassy; yet aligned with a longer term plan to use the tent embassy as a honey trap for catching shaytan. But here I am sure most non-traditional black Aboriginal persons would work to cause that I am proven to be a liar in this, since that honey is so very tasty.) The rest of the story about the black swans is about what Wahn the Crow witnessed and what he did about it. He thought it odd that the woman had no men, and told them that he had seen men were on the way. He went and spied on those men to find out what they wanted from the women. It must be remembered that he is very very clever to have managed to get his way into the women's camp. (An early Aboriginal convert to Islam.) The men already had animals and were heading towards the women's camp to entrap the women so as to steal the weapons. They were travelling with the Swans whom had offered to assist them. The subtext is that the Swans are, of course, the workers of black magic, but that they had convinced the men that the women did the bad magic, and that their magic was true. The men used the Swans as a decoy, then attracted the women across the lake with the animals as bait, leaving the animals available for food, knowing that the women had none of their own. Now Wahn the Crow had foreknowledge of this. He asked the men and they had told him exactly their intentions. He felt that he should tell the women, but he liked the men better, but only since he himself is male and since he had not travelled the thousand and one nights necessary, he had not yet counted how the women were managing. (The women were too good he supposed and must be hiding something bad that they had done, but in that he was tricked by the Swans himself; and is in trouble with the Imam he pronounced Shahada to.) This is where this story is up to in the life of the main characters in this time. The next part in the mythology of Aboriginal Australia, is that Wahn the Crow first witnessed some of the men turning into white swans, and then distracting the women while the men left the animals as bait. But what the Swans did to distract the women is really very terrible, and is the same deed they had long repeatedly done which caused the desert between the men and the women. Sure enough the women came to get that meat, and the men stole the weapons. Then an old Arch Rival of Wahn the Crow, named as Mulyan, began to help the women by picking out all the Swan's feathers. But Wahn then helped the Swans by dropping for them his black feathers. That is where the story, as it is told finishes. But I suspect it is only out of sequence in this Aboriginal version. As I have reported, I have read other versions, and it has been difficult to find which it is that is the original within the ethnographic evidence. That is where it is essential that we learn and adhere to Qur'an; but only as had already begun. There already are among Aboriginal Australians, both black and white, persons whom have Dreamed of a time when those whom could recite Qur'an arrived in Australia. Here is another story then. Is is about how Wahn the Crow became a Star. First I should tell that Wahn has a dreadful reputation since he is credited with having been who stole the Eagle's wife, and that is how his feathers blackened in the first place when he was forced then to swallow fire. Wahn was miserable because of his dreadful reputation. Every time he tried to mend his ways he got back into mischief because he never took the right wife! In truth He is an honourable fellow but just can't help from acting like the swans. He came across another bird. Some stories tell it is a swamp hawk, and other a parrot, depending up where the story is set. He decided to cheer himself up by tricking that bird. Remembering how he had defeated Mulyan, he planted sharp objects in the sand and waited until that bird jumped on them and hurt its foot. All the other birds came to help, but not Wahn, who just wandered around with his hands behind his back. In the story in which a swamp hawk was hurt, the sharp objects transformed into an claw that helps it to catch its prey. In the story in which a parrot is hurt, when it recovers, all its pain becomes the colours upon all the birds. The birds want to punish Wahn, but find that they are only able to cheer him up by explaining how his bad deeds have come to good purpose. Then Bhyame himself comes down and asks Wahn to join Him in his own place in the sky, and Wahn becomes a Star. As the events of these stories have been unfolding Wahn came to the women's camp before he had earned becoming a star; and the problem is clearly manifest as alcohol consumption, so in that the whole is supporting Islam. But also here I should tell that last night I Dreamed how the Swans are trying to trick my own self. I had portrayed myself to them as a simpleton so they have been less sophisicated than they might have been in their work to trick me. They, (Swans of course are shaytan, and more properly described as Ant people, who in the mythology try to show themselves as though they had fire before The Jinn.), provided myself with a curious set of Dreams last night. Including one in which I am supposed to attend to this post in this thread today, and to include in it that one day along came Frodo Baggins into the Aboriginal Dreamtime and saves everybody from needing to swallow fire for taking the wrong wife; and all the white Aborigines go on a big search for a giant eye to worship; while the blacks are saved by Frodo, (or should it be rather that Wahn is Gollum the Haadjmo?) However, I recommend that Lord of the Rings is not relied upon in any of its characterisations or sequencing; even when some of its events are very reminiscent of that we all Dream. So there I should tell that of course it is an aspect of Aboriginal culture to believe in stories as realisable, and because of this fact it is that we need often to dismantle the many stories that arrived with invasion, breaking them into component parts and placing them back where they belong. One of my sons has made his own attempt a few years ago already, to relate the Lord of the Rings back into Norse mythology. But of course it is that we are all, when able to realise such work, working according to only Qur'an and ahadith. Why I am today posting again in this thread may highlight that the work of shaytan is trying constantly and with increasing intensity, to undermine the work of Humanity. The terror of shaytan is real. Yet also it is real, and far more tangibly real, that we are all being protected. The accounts against all of us in our falls to shaytan are so enourmous that we can not account individually for what we owe in each electricity switch used; by living while driving a car, we must accept we exist only by Allah having given us already certainty of redemption. Yet also it is my intention to highlight an aspect of Aboriginal culture that is inimical with Islam. The science. Why is it indeed that I am disabled from describing, or teaching, or revealing Aboriginal culture, within any internet forum, without such an act providing into the very nature of what is manifesting as our culture? This is a significant question that I should not want to be able to answer. Yet we all must manifest acceptance that no system can be scientifically examined without making an impact within that system. Such is the nature of any real scientific comprehension. The insanity of the ideology of 'the west' is to every try to attempt to isolate any facts as observable, distinct from altering those facts by the energy invested in attempting to isolate the facts. The facts can not be isolated from other facts which we are not certain to. Only Allah knows. We can not know that a fact is a fact from outside of the system in which it is a fact. Neither can the facts be observed without using energy to observe and thus effecting the energy of the total system. Therefore it is that Aboriginal culture is in a natural state of flux only by the fact that we are living in a place in which the totality of the population is not yet in agreement as to what is real. So at best, all any of us can describe of our own culture is: what I am believing now of my outside self; what I have been experientially and culturally lead to believe in as ideal; and distincly, what parts of what exists now, that I regard as necessarily having no place in Jannah. In these facts, I must express that I believe that all Humanity is indebted to every Muslim whom is engaging in placing reports of the facts of Islamic Faith within the internet context. Truly every portion of what is expressed by the means of electricity will be taken through the fire if not able to belong in Jannah. Insha Allah not so very much of what I have written will be my own fire to swallow; since every man who played Wahn the Crow, who stole the Eagle's wife, while I hide away making weapons, was certainly not wrong in pursuing my self since I am a crow's wife. If I add any further now, it would take this thread outside of Aboriginal culture, so that is that; at nobody yet having given me an animal, has a good place within my own cultural tradition as an Aboriginal Australian. (Though clearly I found a few that some other folk had left lying around.) I hope you all enjoy learning about Aboriginal Australia, and find its worth is true and truly within Islam. Mu'asalam
Within the Realm of King Solomon Who could have known I was home grown An accuser's false allegation Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences its shaytan leeches who accuse my unconscious sleep of accusing you too cheep I will be selling for five times three centsiblity |
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| Hi! that I am this Status: Offline Posts: 976 Reputation: 972 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: born Armidale 1968 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Alaikumassalam,
__________________For anybody needing to orient what I am reporting about our culture back into the Australian mainstream, try looking up the following link to my first efforts at communication the specific cultural outlook within a mainstream Australian media internet forums site, at: http://cracker.com.au/threads.aspx?categoryid=11281 There are a few threads there of interest from the perspective of wondering what the modern Australian mainstream attitude to Islam genuinely is. Thereupon I have also remembered another aspect of Aboriginal culture that ought to be here reported. It relates to that teaching that is described in the story of Bhyame's first initation, in respect of the honey of the bees. Since it is an esoteric teaching, in that I can not reveal fully my own knowledge of in this context, I will have to just write to the facts of the birds and the bees, although I seem to retain a hybrid culture my self even within such. When it comes to teaching about the birds and the bees, it is that I have been helped along considerably by many. The whole of such teachings can equittably be summed up by the simplicity of the bees knees. I have an acquaintance who works for the Australian Reserve Bank, and whom at University, while earning a first class honours in economics, also enjoyed the opportunity of examining bees knees directly under a microscope. After that experience he related to a group of us that he had learned also about a farm in the USA where the bees had been suspiciously gathering honey flavoured by trees outside of a days flight, at bee range. As soon as microtransmitters were made available small enough for a bees back they were attached and attuned. The bees were catching freight trains every day, to far off pollen, and returning in the evening on a later train. So it is with that story under my belt that I began my own learning about birds and bees. These stories are rather critical at this time since the bird people are getting about trying to establish that their tradition is the true tradtion of Bhyame's first initiation. While the bee people are milling about planning to turn all the birds into Ants. Well, ants take care of dead bees more effectively than birds can, so why not? While I myself am manifesting something like a bumble bee with brolga legs and Wedge-tail Eagle wings, I should properly state that in this I am somewhat outside of Aboriginal culture, since nobody is actually allowed to manifest such phenomena as any animal that mixes its body with another. But then, my Dad's ancestral Dreaming is inclusive of the Sphinx. So while I hybridise I can tell you that any talk about the birds and the bees is not proper for a female to provide, except to her daughters. At at that it is always in instructions as to what to observe and not more. However, since my Father has been stripped of his actual culture, and I had a Dream that he was falling to The Dajjal, I should make his worth better known; in that he is unlikely to get on the computer and provide of Him self in the manner that is proper for him to. The patrilineal patterns of marriage alliances are made most properly by a bird always marrying a bee and a bee always marrying a bird. But here is the critical key. If your mother is a bird, then you are a bee, and if she a bee, then you are a bird. We are all in an alternating structure between being birds and being bees. So even shaytans are brought down to the ground and prevented from flight. When shaytan are not allowed to be birds, they sure are bad, and anybody could realise by study of the insect world. So for those who are not familiar with using the birds and the bees as an entymology of human comprehension, I should explain. Birds tend to take flight mentally, retain memory of mental imagery more readily, and dislike being brought down; they Dream a fact before they find the empirical evidence, so are susceptible to seeking the evidence overly, rather than waiting until it slaps you in the face. But a bird can land trouble because they might have read their Dreams wrong. Bees on the other hand, tend rather to meander into empirical evidence, then just happily wait, feeding the birds all the while, until a Dream slaps 'em in the face (usually because the birds want better honey). These are a significant facts, and that this teaching is retained in Australia is significant also. Mostly, when let to fall into patterns of desire alone, without cultural implanting of the teaching about the honey of the bees, the pattern that occurs is that Bird people are Souls of who first came into Human physical form after the first fall of Jannah, and the Bee people are who were longer without a Human body. Sort of like the difference from one ice age to the next for those who can reconcile those times with Human biological stories. When that pattern is not challenged the birds get the better of the bees, but only because the birds have a shorter term perspective. While bees are more likely to have retained memory of the night than they ever let on. Australian culture takes its teaching patterns from a cultural basis most like that of India in managing pride and sloth. Yet within a Chinese way of managing greed. But then with all the Ants here, it can only be that we are most adept at managing hate without violence, and with violence keeping it to a minimal degree. No visitor to Australia could fail to notice our interestingly manifest predicament with the insect population, so even if we are overrun by shaytan from all corners of the globe, we obviously are doing half bad at conditioning them all to our way. What a pity about the tourism industry! To put the whole of what I have posted at its most blunt: if you are an Australian and you take any pleasure what so ever in any amount of hate, the bees swarm you with more and more offers of more of that exact substance, until you feel so sick of yourself that you will beg for Allah. That is, in large part, why Australians are suspicious of the veil as a part of Hijab, because everybody wants to see her if she is enjoying hating men by tempting them, so as to rub her nose in herself. We are still only in the first generation of clothes that aren't, so I reckon decently covered women ought to give Australian chicks a chance to prove our way. (But I say that from within the safety of my whitest head cover, that is a gift from a local Pakistani Muslim family, whose young daughter I ought to thank, since the evening I met her she was wearing black and announcing importantly how very happy she is that I am Muslim. Alongside the young black Aboriginal children whom reassured their parents that I am within black culture because the were not frightened by me, when scared of all other white persons, and also my own three sons; it has been, at every turn only children, who have let me know that I am.) Having jam packed this post now with a number of stray thoughts, and with a new feeling that in all the posts I have made in various forums there is a complete work that needs to be compiled and written out in a reconciled form, I hope that I won't be having to keep up with making another post after every Prayer time reminds me of another part of the teaching that is in need of an immediate external expression, well not for too much longer. I should then identify that my strategy of accomplishing some work while there are many shaytan trying to prevent that very work, has been to place it within public contexts immediately, so that it is not completely lost as each day my memories are eroding. But in that, I have an excellent self remembering function still retained, so while I might not know much from about the world in general, I can not in an way retain consciousness of carnal mind, without being in a state of remembering my self; and since so much energy is required for sustaining such with many shaytan speculating upon my own belonging, it is some considerable relief when ever any person whom has any interest, will consider these matters of my self and the sustaining of Australian Aboriginal culture. The most recent identity I have is that of an Aussie Mussie Gubborigine. (A Gubbah is a white fella; and a Gubborigine is an Aborigine white fella, well inside black culture; and a Mussie is a Muslim in Australia; while Aussie means only that I insist upon being regarded as no less a part of the Australian mainstream for these facts; but as to what that makes the Australian mainstream is anybody's guess, but it surely has always included a good few cows; and since my Father named me Rebecca, Rivaq being Hebrew for Heifer, I guess He is redeemable for the fact of having left me unprotected from shaytan and having learned esoteric knowledge before marriage; But Australian shaytan sure are shafting old Bhyame into the place of The Dajjal more forcefully than He could ever realistically have manifested contemptlation of the deed of, but as all the rosicrucian money seems to be on.) Mu'asalam
Within the Realm of King Solomon Who could have known I was home grown An accuser's false allegation Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences its shaytan leeches who accuse my unconscious sleep of accusing you too cheep I will be selling for five times three centsiblity |
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| Hi! that I am this Status: Offline Posts: 976 Reputation: 972 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: born Armidale 1968 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Alaikumassalam,
__________________but why should I need here again to post so soon! (I am taking heart in the number of veiws of the thread, but please question me upon any small part even that you have read as woodrow suggests) It is that I could not leave the thread at that place of having mentioned The Dajjal, but we are nothing, us Aborigines, if not able to acknowledge that we are experiencing nightmares of its appearance since our land has been invaded. But question only when the fourty year reign begins so as to wonder upon its end. Bear with also the fact that I am only safe in knowing of it because I am no man. And since I mentioned its manifestation alongside that there exist also shaytan, there is a following sequence of associations, and again with direct relevance to my immediate life sequences, which can be revealed as the way through the consequence. This is typical of Aboriginal culture. Everytime folk get together to discuss any matter, the discussion is recognised as contributing to the actual matter being discussed, and it is normal for it to require days and days of sit down discussions only to all agree as to what the issue is that is being discussed. This is no small measure of our social economy in its traditional structure. There are two things piling upon me in relation to having expressed this thread. First my father listened to me and believed me for the first time in years, in that I have been endangered by organised crime. Second, my children are in immediate danger, that that situation has escalated. So I should place it within the the context of Aboriginal Australia. I was raised in a family of white, and non-idenfitying Aborigines. Then when encouraged to identify, and after I had expreienced my mainstream white Aussie identity being stripped from me through the work of the Gurdjieff society, and without their having replaced what they took with any identification what-so-ever (they report now(?) that back in 1999 when they performed an 'experiment' upon my psychology, that it was forgotten to give my my Moslem identification), so I had not enough external identity, I began to overtly adopt the identity of my ancestral heritage, that of an Aborigine. But in that act my children have been removed from my custody, like so very very many Aboriginal women. This is a pattern that has been occuring since 1788 when Australia was invaded. First they just killed babies, and then the removed them to train them to be slaves, and then the began to tell us that it was to protect the children that they removed them. So, in the real immediate situation, it is no small affair that I have begun to express my self within my Aboriginality. My children's father, an Irish shaytan, asserts his right thereby to remove the children from my protection. My children are all true believers and most put upon by their father and his girlfriend. At 11, 8, and 5, the began to wash their own clothes and help make dinner regularly. The are given no privacy and are being over exposed to their father and step-mothers intimate relations. I believe that they are psychologically abusing the children to prevent them from reporting the matter to the appropriate authorities, and have set myself up to seem as the guilty party, in which I have had no family protection, again because of my Aboriginal identifiction. Let me just leave that matter aside for a while, but the general picture of what has been done to Aboriginal children by the invasion of Australia has a mass relevence to our culture and its modern manifestations. It is the case that I received in the past twelve hours a report of historic fact. That in around the year 1720, some fifty years before the arrival of white persons in Australia, a large quantity of new arrivals of Bird people preceeded the white invaders. The fact is that I can verify this. It is also that there are a considerable number of persons with black skin, and presenting as Aboriginal, whom are Bird people and not adhereing to the cultural pattern which I described of alternating generations of bird persons and bee persons. Where there are none of these bird people our cultural tradtions are best retained. VERY Significantly, it is also that such persons have been evidenced to be colluding with very recent arrivals from Britain, yet who are within delusional belief of themselves as having been the exact persons whom commited the atrocity of holocaust. This is the social condition that is being played out on Australia's streets. The Theosophical society is supporting such interactions, and I have placed my own reputation at risk by entering their meetings to obtain evidence of this, but have empirical evidence. Now, in this general picture of the Birds and the Bees, as I have described, it is the Muslim culture supports that all persons adopt a Bee self. Yet it is also that shaytan refute, and continue in bird selves even as Muslims. Now while it is strictly against Islamic Law for any person to manifest as a bird, this is that I am describing a social advantage in a sacrifice of the credibility of a portion of the population by enabling a bird self to exist. Aboriginal Australians track record of managing shaytan is that all the indigenous shaytan are long gone already actualising existing as Ants. This is no small feat, and clean truth. Native shaytan are already transformed into small black insects that raid picnics. Well, in fact, there are a few, of the newly arrived bird people, who were trees awhile, and then become Human again, and from that will, more readily be enabled to become Ants. They are those whom have been already culturally integrated. But not all have been just yet. The pattern by which half the population, defined through Paternal clans, adopts the bird type self that shaytan like, is that we let a half of our population fall into such pleasure, so as that shaytan relax into the pattern of alternating between being birds and being bees. The function, is quite clearly that we all pay more heavily in Allah, but that we eradicate shaytan from the Human form. However the whole story of children having been stolen is existant because we have had to accomodate more shaytan than we could afford. I will forgive no shaytan what they have done to Aboriginal children, except only in that I will forgive them of presuming to adopt a Human form that they will never be able to again. Our culture is gentle in its Human manifestations of such. We accept that hatred can be expressed as denial of the reality of wanting to kill such persons, and we are most often very very nice to them, but at what expense? My ex-partner, father of my children, whom befriended me whilst I was very unwell with a prolapse, and then worked to keep me in that state; has based a legal case against me on two points: that I am insane to adopt a black skin persons culture as a white skin person; and that I am a child rapist because I verbally instructed my sons to rinse their penises under cold water after urination. The Australia court system has been assuming that I am a criminal and a shaytan and am happy in the situation, and am demonstrating insanity by pressuring the court to take action, but that I would prefer to sustain a false diagnosis of insanity so as to receive a government pension. No matter how strenuously I have refuted such, I was not being believed. Yet this is the pattern of our management of shaytan, to trick them into supposing that we are as corrupt as they are. The fault in this must be retained by my Father, since He has refused to address the evidence that I am not yet in wedlock, and rather believed my mother in a fall to some black shaytan telling lies about me. Mum is a bird and Dad a bee, like me. So here, in the total final pattern that is being played out, I can reveal why I am now making these posts. I have been experiencing Dreams for some time that one of my children is murdered by their father, yet this is the first moment I have manifested any acknowledgment of. There were worse Dreams, and that I describe the least terrible. In the past twenty four hours I have begun to experience this fear differently, and with a degree of physical manifestation in my own health in actively forgiving the one of my three sons whom is that fallen to the trick of black magic of The Evil One. I felt a ferocious hunger for red meat. Within the pattern of our culture, I ate half a kilo of Kangaroo, then lay down and went to sleep, Dreaming of my son crying for help in terror of what his father is accusing him of. I awoke in an astonishing Dream. If it were not for the fact of, I could not be expressing any of this. I came into my sensiblity, and with a mental recall of the Dreams I have been in, at a place in America, on a rocky shelf overlooking a large city in a valley. But it was all asleep, and I and an American I was in the company of, were Dead. We were having a discussion about this place as an American manifestation of the Valley of the Dead. The American was asking me why is Uluru so important, because surely here also, on this American rock, there is ample opportunity to perceive the way through the fire. In the Dream, I had passed already, and again, through the passage of, with conscious recall intact. The American wanted me to make a poem about America's Valley being important, and so I commenced to compose a poem. The poem was placing the Dreams of such within the context of Sunnah, and never overt. But then I woke up worried because I had already composed so many lines that I knew I would not be able to retain any of in my mental capacity to remember. I wanted to write down what I had written, but by the time I was arosed to the full consequence of the fact that I was Dreaming far into the future, and that now today, there is an internet site through which I have begun such patterns of communication, I could not remember any word of the poem, except that I was seeking for a verbal description other than "Upon Sunnah" for one line, since there has been a web site with that name, but I could find no better. Now I should tell why I can relate this. That I have Dreamed of arising out of the Valley of the Dead in an American location, tells that The Jinn here in Australia have accounted completely for every shaytan here being held to account, and every Soul being counted and helped through the passage of fire. My external mind can not bear the full knowledge of such accounts, and the terror of, but it can bear to know that the accounts are made, and the pattern is set, that we Australians, are ready as an entire Nation for the fire to be the only way left. That is, the saved are all also with a portion of ourself, perhaps only accepted in forgiving others, but that will be taken to the fire. There is not one Soul left counted as a citizen of Australia whom has not been accounted in full in their redemption. So it is a positive Dream I have experienced, despite that there is a tragedy awaiting, and that I have not yet full report of. But then, Steve Irwin's death is a marker by which all Australian's are in wait. And now then also I can recommend in the clarity of open expression, that not one of he shaytan who have overridden our capacity to absorb their hatred escape. As a mother, none could be existing within the knowledge that many Aboriginal mothers bear, of what our children have been forced to endure, without wanting that we all endure the fire. There are very recent media reports of active child rapists assaulting the community of Traditional owners at Uluru, that are only recently made open and available to the media. But in our culture, no such report could be made until the passage of preventing any further occurances has been clearly already Dreamed and evidenced as real. So, the I will answer, what is so special about Uluru? It is a big rock, and is a portion of the Earth's crust exposed, with another site bearing it's other end at katajuka, a lesser known place, but at which cannabalism is reported to be the consequence of any matter of law breaking. The story of Uluru tells that those who own it become rocks. But even these facts are not explicit enough. The owners tell all tourists not to climb the rock since people die. The harsh reality is that no person can touch the rock without the external mind becoming exposed to certain knowledge of the fire of Hell. This is an empirical fact. So it can be comprehended thus that our culture is a culture of belonging to a place in which there is no escaping the fear of your own self. Insha Allah Uluru's lesson will eventually meet with the lesson of Ka'ba within full reconciliation of Aboriginal culture with Islam. There is no measure by which Uluru's existance can have been left out of Qur'an. So while perhaps in reading this thread there is providence of facts that readers are not wanting their minds to ever consider, it is that we Australians are not able to prevent that this is the story of our place. Let me tell also that the reason I have been in immediate personal danger is because I have not shied away from hating the persons here whom have used drugs to modify their self so as to imagine to escape the fire by counting wrongfully against Aboriginal mothers. They theive from our children now already only Hell. Our children whom know with no doubt, that we can become the worst of ourself in form, and be redeemed in Allah though our commitments to learn how not to be such in future, because we are already so well tempered by Bhyame. It is my prayer that modern Australian Muslims will be able to begin to accept that when I wrote that our racial memories of existing as animals are just and immutable, that these are the facts of this thread. Muslims in Australia have also been widely hurt and misinformed by shaytan portraying their misconceptions of Aboriginality. Yet also is it true that I have found some of the most devout and perfect Muslims are living here, and also shaytan whom were born in other places and are attracted to Australia. I am certain that the Ummah of Islam prays with the success of thier truly Islam in endeavours among us. Insha Allah my words have hurt no person but my own self and all children will become safe through what I report to the Ummah. Truly now I should leave this thread and direct any curiousity to the manifestation of shaytan among us to the thread that is a story called the ant thread, but not finished yet. But beware of The Dajjal's method being to state any words out of context of its belief, and therein accuse while manifesting as though it is not. Insha Allah my context can be believed for I fear making accusation more than any other fear, after having walked the valley of the dead with conscious recall intact. I will again because in truth I value that I can embody fear that is real, and have no fear of The Dajjal. Mu'asalam
Within the Realm of King Solomon Who could have known I was home grown An accuser's false allegation Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences its shaytan leeches who accuse my unconscious sleep of accusing you too cheep I will be selling for five times three centsiblity |
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__________________I went to sleep last night not wanting to have left this thread in a negative idea in the sixth post, and this morning there was a reminder on the TV of what most clearly relates modern Australian mainstream culture straight back into Indigenous belief structure. As well as being a children's news report about Ramadan; there was a children's news report about what a state funeral is. There were two offers recently to the families of well known deceased Australians of state funerals. the family of Peter Brock, who is well known for driving fast cars well and looking after his own health, took up the offer while the family of Steveo (Irwin) , declined the offer and instead, earlier this morning, paid themselves for a public memorial service Steveo was seldom held in the good public regard here in Australia as he is in the US. Well, not so famously at any rate. But in his passing he is certainly one of the best remembered folk among. Yet what will he be remembered for? At the memorial service he was noted by the University of Queensland for his contribution to Science, and it was told that they had planned to honour him with an honourary professorship. There was also some footage of him shown in which he was being interviewed by a black American radio personality who gave him the title of being a honourary black brother. The song sung for the occasion, which is written by just another Aussie as ordinary as Steveo, includes the following lyrics: Hey true blue Is it me and you Is it Mum and Dad Is it a Cockatoo Is it standing by your mate When he is in a fight Or will she be right Hey true blue I'm asking you Can you bear the load . . . . . .don't say you've gone you've knocked off for a smoko and you'll be back later on . . . Hey true blue (don't tell anybody but most Australians are in tears for that which we ever knew; and are in community with the Irwin family in not wishing for Steveo to be regarded as any body other than an ordinary bloke whose love of Earth we will all accept a portion of the bill for: and that is without anybody having mentioned how much land he and his wife bought and gave to wildlife within reserves some now owned by Australia's National Parks Service) So that is what I have to say about the belief of the Aborigines of Australia: Hey true blue! mu'asalam
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Certain aspects of society are a nightmare I agree, however, I wouldn’t generalize to say that all man made is an element that causes distress. One can not compare nature with what humans have invented. One is perfect and the other is not. The comparison is invalid. Quote:
But this is the real world; your statement reminded me of Dostoevsky’s work 'Crime and punishment' in which the protagonist questions whether anything exists. We may play a philosophical card and question the existence of everything but that would make us self-absorbed people. Quote:
I get the implication that you’re saying humans need to find connection with plants and other living forms in order to understand ourselves? I do not agree other living forms. As stated in the Quran. Sure enough we can find connection between all living things, nonetheless it does not mean to understand our existence we need to see ourselves as the same horizon as other living forms. Metaphorically that is a good theory but it’s not practical. Quote:
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Aboriginal culture, just like many rich cultures tend to have some sort of agreement with Islam. Islam shows us every aspect of our lives and we adhere to it. I know that aboriginals as well as other cultures speak about some sort of magical and unknown creatures that they perform rituals to rid of their evilness. I have noticed that you have come to the conclusion that the aboriginals believe in ‘jinn’. However, the deluded implication we may have is not necessary correct. What I mean by this is that you tend to see the matter of the unseen to us (jinn) as being black or white, Which is not the case. You have to see Jinn as their own creation otherwise you immediately fall into the trap of brushing all creatures as being the same whilst that is far from reality. Furthermore, the issue of shaytaan is conjured when talking about this issue. However I don’t want to get side tracked about this topic as it requires a lot of time and wisdom. In addition there are already numerous threads discussing it. Quote:
I will try and address some of your other statements inshallah. In the mean-time it would be truly appreciated if you didn't reply or else i'd be here for centuries lol. Jizakallah khayr. Your sister in Islam وَاصْبِرْ وَمَا صَبْرُكَ إِلاَّ بِاللّهِ ما بعرف انا شو حسيت When he said... | ||||||||||||||||
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I had never known this, it is amazing what one learns, I’m ashamed at my ignorance towards other people’s culture. Anthropology was briefly introduced to me in my first year of IB, to be honest I never dwelled on the matter, I was not being arrogant but it was an off-tangent issue touched momentarily by my teacher. He used the example of red Indians rather than the aboriginals. I was appalled at how the red Indians were actually portrayed, but history is written by the winners. C'est la vie... The issue of prayer in Islam is not so that we stop ourselves from experiencing nightmares. You’ll find a person who has prayed 5 times a day but is still attacked by shaytaan (through bad dreams). Shaytaan does not miss any opportunity to deceive, cause distress or cause doubt into hearts of man-kind. You speak about the holocaust having been foreseen by the aboriginals, is there evidence backing this up? Remember that the one equipped about the future (fortune tellers/soothsayers) are not following Islam. The evidence for this is as follows’: Some people asked Allah's Apostle (salallahu alayhi wa salam) about the foretellers. He said. -They are nothing." They said, -O Allah's Apostle! Sometimes they tell us of a thing which turns out to be true." Allah's Apostle said, "A Jinn snatches that true word and pours it into the ear of his friend (the foreteller) (as one puts something into a bottle). The foreteller then mixes with that word one hundred lies." Quote:
As you stated, the aspect of aboriginal culture you have shed light upon in the above paragraph does not fit with Islam. In Islam you worship as though you will die now and you work as though you will live for eternity. It is not right for one to either sell himself to the angel of death or consume himself in work only. Such an extreme unbalance can be dangerous to one’s health. Quote:
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How can you disbelieve in Allah? Seeing that you were dead and He gave you life. Then He will give you death, then again will bring you to life (on the Day of Resurrection) and then unto Him you will return. The Quran speaks of people being resurrected (Then We raised you up after your death, so that you might be grateful-2:56) but not reincarnation. Quote:
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Just like in aboriginal culture divorce is considered an option but it is disliked in Islam. However, there is no sin in either of the party if they do divorce one another. The term ‘love magic’ is an alien to Islam, magic is not permitted, so for a marriage to start off with magic is certainly not going in the path of blessings. Quote:
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I will not quote anymore as I’d like to address the rest of your initial post in a scoop. You mention cultural things and try and attribute them to Islam which is invalid, even more so using terms such as shaytaan in content to aboriginal culture leaves readers confused. I must shed some light into shaytaan from the Quran. He (Shaytaan) makes promises to them, and arouses in them false desires; and shaytan's promises are nothing but deceptions. (4:120) (Their allies deceived them) like shaytan , when he says to man: "Disbelieve in Allah." But when (man) disbelieves in Allah, shaytan ( says: "I am free of you, I fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!" (59:16). Aboriginal culture works with magic, there is no good magic and it is not permitted in Islam as I stated earlier. In addition there is the issue of morphing you speak about. Nothing of such matter is expressed in Islam. Muslims draw their entire conclusion from the Quran and authentic narrations. If there is no evidence it is neglected because there is no basis for it. The human excercise beyond its capability. Sometimes we summon things for effect, fictional and it is a time waster. In addition many pople have gone mad dwelling on what they known nothing about. I remember a story which was narrated to me about an egyptian man who was obsessed with Jinn to the extent that he would converse with them as though they were friends. Ultimately his curiosity led his enemy to a powerful position. He instructed the jinn to kill his family, wife and children. So when Allah subhana wa ta'ala conceals from us it is best for us. We should not pry into what should be left unattended. Shaytaan waits for us to slip. I end this reply with seeking refugee in Allah from the whispering shaytaan. I ask for his forgiveness from what i have written and uttered. May Allah guide his slaves to the straight path and shower his mercy on them, verily without our lord we are lost. Also i would like to apology if i have said anything offensive sister curaezipid, as that was not my intention. Thank you very much for your detailed and informative essay about aboriginal culture وَاصْبِرْ وَمَا صَبْرُكَ إِلاَّ بِاللّهِ ما بعرف انا شو حسيت When he said... | ||||||||||||||
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| Hi! that I am this Status: Offline Posts: 976 Reputation: 972 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: born Armidale 1968 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Alaikumassalam Silver Pearl,
__________________you are expressing a large quantity of data that is in common place criticism here in Australia against Australian Aborigines. But the difficulty I am finding is that you present it in the form exactly that shaytans have assaulted our belief structures with. I worked for an hour providing commentary where you remarked that you were not certain as to what I was meaning, and then a computer error occurred, the whole was lost and now I am too exhausted to repeat it for the minute. Perhaps I can when less tired than I am in this moment. You certainly are condemning of my own beliefs in a way in which asserts that I can not be both Aboriginal and a Muslim; so I feel some level of obligation to quieten that debate by providing from my own mental practise as to the way of reconciling the two belief structures that are essentially the same once placed within the historical facts. Here I will say, for example only, that a kafir manifesting a symbolic mental association with an animal, is a correct framing of the phenomenon of kafir, such that it then becomes a different phenomenon. The Qur'an and ahadith have no external expressions of such has not made such belief Haram. Remember that any belief not accorded Halal status is not automatically able to be discredited as haram. I need to assert that at the point where you distinctly link a mirror to the belief structures of Aboriginal mothers when our babies quicken in utero, is far from what I have written. My own words are rather meaning that the story belonging to the place in which quickening occurs, and also the immediate manifestation of that story in the mother's experience, automatically are assumed to belong to the child's inheritance that is accorded them through their father. It is so odd that you associated the appearance of a rock with the mothers association to her womb? Could you? since surely Aboriginal mothers can not, but may believe that their child's Soul has been through the fire of rocks to become born again, or ressurected as a Human. I have not at any point asserted that our beliefs include re-incarnation. In fact I am extremely strict with my self at this point. There is only one context in which I have ever tried to translate Aboriginal teaching into the language used around teachings of reincarnation; but that will not be for here to tell since it was an occultists group I was trying to assert the Humanity of Aborigines among. Even in that I worked to undermine the belief that reincarnation is a realistic phenomenon rather than only kafir. There I will leave this thread until I am in a more positive frame of mind. I have not read yet both of your posts, only the second; and could not find that there was a first until after I lost my first response to the second. So I will wait until I am collected before posting again. wasalam
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I have made explicit in a number of places that my real biology is that of an Australian Aborigine. There can be no doubt in this. The physical signs are unmistakable. My study occurred before I had means to validate my experiencial difference from most other white Australians, but certainly by no means all. wasalam
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__________________I am here now only going to answer the questions you asked and will find my way into providing any other commentary upon your comments as later time avails. Thankyou by the way for being open in your comments. I am sure that many Muslims are very wary of Australian Aboriginal belief structures and it is best for open comparison and discussions so we are all enabled to clarify what is shared and what is not fluid with modern Islamic education from within Tradtional Aboriginal teaching. Quote:
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One of the difficulties I experience is that this is the very aspect of Aboriginal culture which has been most assaulted. There are shaytan among us who were not originally Aboriginal, but whom perceived a means to try to avoid the fire themselves in trying to accord that all their deeds are attributed to other Human beings whose will is to pass through the fire, and so they have tried to manifest as though Aboriginal, and discredited other of us. My apologies that much of my writing is still tinged with a hand to mouth reaction against their false portrayal. Insha Allah each of us will be accepted individually within the Ummah of Islam in Unity. Since the full story of the belief system of Aboriginal culture is that it establishes a pattern in which shaytan can exist without realising that they are exposing themselves as shaytan; and so will be brought to the fire by others in the community. But thereby many oddities exist and are just sort of let to exist. True believing Aboriginal men are adept at tricking shaytan into believing that all Aboriginal men are as they are; but within certain rules and laws and a measure, at exactly that portion of manifesting their own selves as though ill which is affordable within good self knowledge. In the traditional way there is always a minor manifestation of exposing any existing wrong; and then fear is acknowledged by being aroused, and at the best balance between flight and fight the fear is redressed. So we are engaged in a constant process of tricking ourselves out of black magic by making overly exaggerated the knowable portions of. I am not certain if that can make any sense to a person whom is not so conditioned. Here is an example: if a dispute is arrising it tends to be that the disputing parties will wave fists and jump about threateningly in a manner that could be construed as mockery of a dispute, if the dispute were not real. In the case of a real dispute every body watches and engages in the process of observing postures and being like eyes for Allah. Thereby, most often, the disputing parties become so frightened by their postures they expose in warming up to a fight that they are prevented from actually hitting one another. This is a frequent occurance in most Aboriginal communities. In the past, and still now in remote communities that have their own policing(that is if the police are also Traditionally Oriented Aborigines and so will turn a blind eye to various events sanctioned within Traditional cutlure); when there is any larger dispute a ritualised spearing is organised. It may take days and days of discussion to negotiate who will be allowed to through a spear at who; but even the shaytan are committed to resolving the matter since they are wanting to see the bloodshed. But in this way the matter is resolved with the least bloodshed possible. All such disputes tend to follow patterns such that most folk have a certain idea of what happens next. Like in real Jihad. Yet there is that aspect in which we are doubly conditioned to show our hatred overly at the outset so as to expose in what manner any dispute is likely to occur. If a dispute seems inevitable then it is pushed toward actualisation before any other matters are on the table. So we are all duly more afraid than most people of engaging in disputes. Most real Aborigines (rather than shaytan who presume themselves to be, but inclusive of many folk whom fell by accident into the ways of shaytan) are far less inclined to want to fault an other person. It is that there is a racial characteristic of looking first to where one's own fault could be: and this is conditioned by practises of initially all falling down to each others accusing such as that it is well feared that we could ever assume any matter of one another. Truly I am more afraid of assuming that another person might want to hurt me, than I am of them actually hurting me. That is the reality for most Aborigines; and it is a very difficult process to explain the intricasy of the belief structures that maintain such. Especially while our culture is being assaulted by shaytan who will not believe in this simple fact I have stated. I think it is connected with a physical condition of heightened fear through awareness of every instance in which the behaviour is not in accord with the mental process. But simultaneous with a willingness to accomodate such fear oddly enough. (the thought process goes: "oh no, there is another thing in my world that I fear but am not able yet to know; best that I fall to it sooner and so learn to fear it with knowledge of it, than let it gradually creep up on me.") Needless to say it thus becomes more obvious why Australians went through a period of letting ourselves get sunburnt, for example, when bikinis were first a permissable fashion: these days we are all very well educated in the need to avoid to much sunlight and heat; and gradually more fully covering swimwear is coming back into fashion. As though we are all engaged in a constant process of finding out what is likely to hurt, only so as to thereafter avoid it. The only problem being when too many shaytan are around whom suppose that we are not experiencing pain. But now I have made this post far longer than intended, so I will leave it here. wasalam
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I did not understand your term of kafir, i'm not familiar with it. Kafir simply means disbeliever. Kufr means to disbelieve. Now i don't know if your interpretation is the same. This whole issue about soul and matter is of little significance. This is what i meant by we are walking on different sides on the road. Can you show me where you got your definitaion of the terminology 'kafir'. I feel that in order for both of us to pursue this discussion further we need to be conversing on the same level. If our definition of a core matter differs we will be raving about different things. Wasting each others time and reaching no conclusion or flawed conclusion. Quote:
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Thank you for your time. Rabeeqh firlee wali waleedeya وَاصْبِرْ وَمَا صَبْرُكَ إِلاَّ بِاللّهِ ما بعرف انا شو حسيت When he said... | |||||||||||||
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