Re: Did you read Holy Quran ? How it is different from ur holy Book ?

**north_malaysian** · 01-25-2007

**snakelegs** · 01-25-2007

Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

Also , I always heard so criticism against Quran that it has so many verses on war. I never read/heard any condemnation against any other holy books. So , I thought there is no verse on war in other holy books.

the bible (OT) is the most violent book i've ever read.

**Muslim Woman** · 01-25-2007

Salaam/peace ;

Originally Posted by north_malaysian

[MOD: Long quote removed]

----thank u

......is there any more ? :okay:

**Muslim Woman** · 01-25-2007

Salaam;

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

...I also saw many stories of previous prophets, yet, instead of being mentioned as historical biographies, 'He walked this way, he took a sheep and slaughtered it, then he ate it and spoke to G-d' instead of such narratives…………. to a clear lesson and parable brought forth in the speech of God and which God narrated to us as a reminder or a sign, example, that was another difference...

Abu Ikhlas.

That’s a good point bro Eesa .

I remember , while reading Bible , I found many chapters like a king woke up from sleep , wore a dress , called servant , went there etc ,etc……I did not understand …..was he a Prophet (p) ? If yes , then why it’s not mentioned ? If he was not , then why we need to learn about his daily routine …..why it’s so imp ?

Several chapters were like that he had this & that , his son had that & that ……..long chapters. May be , it’s good for historians but what we have to learn from that list ?

In NT , about Jesus ‘s (p) forgiving the prostitute , I was confused . Does it mean , Jesus (p) sanctioned adultery / prostitution ? It can’t be so .

{ Insha Allah , to be continued ) :okay:

**- Qatada -** · 01-25-2007

Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

Salaam/peace ;

----thank u

......is there any more ? :okay:

You can use this sister in lots of languages:

http://www.holyquran.org/

**glo** · 01-25-2007

Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

As a Muslim , i learnt to respect ALL THE PROPHETS
( pbut ) ...not only the Last Prophet Muhammed (p).
So , when I read OT , I was more than shocked .

The allegations against Prophet David (p) , Lot (p) ……those were extremely shocking . Also , I always heard so criticism against Quran that it has so many verses on war. I never read/heard any condemnation against any other holy books. So , I thought there is no verse on war in other holy books.

Also , media condemn the Last Prophet (p) for his several wives as if he was the only Prophet (p) in the earth who had more than one wife. So , when I found out that Jewish & Christians respected Prophet Solomon , David , Abraham , Moses ( peace be upon them all ) had more than one wife…..Solomon (p) had 1000 wives including so many concubines…..i was so surprised.

Also , David (p) married a very young virgin when he was dieing ....... i can't think , how media could have reacted if it was done by the Last Prophet (p).

I don’t understand , how it’s possible for media & non- Muslims to criticize Islam always when Jewish & Chrsitians holy books have so many verses on war (verses are much more harsh than the Quranic verses ) , allowed polygamy , slavery etc , etc.

Greetings, Muslim Woman

Your post raises some very interesting points.

You are quite right, the prophets, according to the Bible, were not perfect in any way, shape or form!
Some of the issues you mention, i.e. having 1000 wifes or marrying a young virgin in old age, would have been appropriate at that times, so those things were not considered sinful - but other things clearly were.

Unnecessary comments about Prophets, deleted by Woodrow

Actually, the fact that the prophets were not perfect may explain some of the Christian ideology: You don't have to be perfect to serve God and do his will!
If even the Bible greats can commit sin and do wrong, and yet find God's favour, then we all can!

The prophets are honoured and respected by Christians - not because they were perfect, but because they submitted to God and followed his ways (even with a few hiccups along the way), and mostly because God had called them to be his prophets.

It also explains how, according to Christian beliefs, Jesus is set apart from the prophets. In contrast to their weaknesses and failing, Jesus was (and still is) perfect.
Not, because he was a super-human, not even because he was a super-prophet, but because he is God himself.

I hope this helps to explain the Christian perspective a little better.

Peace

**Malaikah** · 01-25-2007

Originally Posted by glo

David committed adultery and murder to get the woman he wanted.

That is just really sad

... A man who it meant to be a prophet commits two very serious crimes to get a woman?

Abraham pretended that Sarah was his siter, ebcause he feared for his life.
(Those are just two, that spring to mind off the top off my head)

That was never a sin in the first place. He was completely justified in acting that way. (Well, in the Islamic version anyway, I don't know about the biblical version...)

The prophets are honoured and respected by Christians - not because they were perfect, but because they submitted to God and followed his ways (even with a few hiccups along the way), and mostly because God had called them to be his prophets.

What is honourable/respectable about killing and committing adultery? Or did he end up repenting for his action? Or did he feel justified in it?

It also explains how, according to Christian beliefs, Jesus is set apart from the prophets. In contrast to their weaknesses and failing, Jesus was (and still is) perfect.
Not, because he was a super-human, not even because he was a super-prophet, but because he is God himself.

Isn't this contradicted by what Jesus supposedly said when He was about to die? Something like "why have you forsaken me"? That sounds also like a weakness/failing to me... Jesus failing to be pleased with God's Will (which is his own will, since Jesus is God himself?)

Oh, and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself was also a very decent man with out such extreme short comings, but he was, without doubt, human. It would be interesting if the biblical Jesus were compared to Prophet Muhammad... to see who was 'better', when it came to weaknesses and stuff... That would be pretty strange if Prophet Muhammad happened to be superior, since he is human and Jesus is supposedly the Son of God...

**Umar001** · 01-25-2007

I do not think we need to delv into each personal prophet's problem or rather what problem has been written by others about him.

The basic outline is this, in the Biblical writing we see Men who are apparently chosen by G-d to promote his faith and become leaders, sometimes doing acts which we cannot imagine a leader doing, some Muslims argue that if leaders do such big sins then it is a form of physicological justification for others, like a kid finds justicification in their parent's action 'Its ok, the boss done it' or 'Oh well Im not better than so and so and he done' Some Muslims feel that the prophets and messengers are the pinnicle of their religion, thus they did not perform major sins since they represented their God.

On the other hand some Christians say that these were humans and these humans did make mistakes and we cannot except 100% from a human, though God expects that from us, the only being that had 100% is Jesus and he was God too, and that is what makes him different.

I think that is one difference between the two books amongst many.

Eesa.

**Jayda** · 01-25-2007

Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

Salaam/peace ;

--- may be , it's a funny/stupid question

but hola means hello ??

yes, hola means hello in spanish... i hope i do not bother you...

----I read OT , NT , don't remember the name of the Hindus book ....about the stories of their dieties.

My honest answer may hurt feelings of non-Muslims readers . So , pl accept my apology .

As a Muslim , i learnt to respect ALL THE PROPHETS
( pbut ) ...not only the Last Prophet Muhammed (p).
So , when I read OT , I was more than shocked .

The allegations against Prophet David (p) , Lot (p) ……those were extremely shocking . Also , I always heard so criticism against Quran that it has so many verses on war. I never read/heard any condemnation against any other holy books. So , I thought there is no verse on war in other holy books.

Also , media condemn the Last Prophet (p) for his several wives as if he was the only Prophet (p) in the earth who had more than one wife. So , when I found out that Jewish & Christians respected Prophet Solomon , David , Abraham , Moses ( peace be upon them all ) had more than one wife…..Solomon (p) had 1000 wives including so many concubines…..i was so surprised.

Also , David (p) married a very young virgin when he was dieing ....... i can't think , how media could have reacted if it was done by the Last Prophet (p).

I don’t understand , how it’s possible for media & non- Muslims to criticize Islam always when Jewish & Chrsitians holy books have so many verses on war (verses are much more harsh than the Quranic verses ) , allowed polygamy , slavery etc , etc.

Many non-Muslims believe Quran is anti-Jews. I wrote about this here.

(similarities between Muslims & Jewish Holy Books.)
similarities between Muslims & Jewish Holy Books

I hope, I did not hurt ur feelings much . About NT & Hindus holy book , Insha Allah next time.

gracias, this is very interesting... if i may ask, and i do not mean this as an insult or rebuke... what were your opinions of the Bible and Hindu scriptures just in and of themselves... not from the position of defending the quran against what people say, or something like this...

--- and the meaning is ????

it is short for 'que Dios te bendiga' may God bless you...

&&

O our Lord, do not suffer our hearts to go astray after You have (rightly) guided us, grant us mercy from You, for verily You and You (alone) are the ever bestower. (ALI IMRAN: 8)

this reminds me of the prayer at the beginning of the first book in the quran... the part about not going astray and asking to be rightly guided.

Dios te bendiga

**Keltoi** · 01-25-2007

I believe all too often we spend too much time trying to find ways in which our faiths are different and not enough time finding things we agree upon. Just a thought.

**- Qatada -** · 01-25-2007

Originally Posted by Keltoi

I believe all too often we spend too much time trying to find ways in which our faiths are different and not enough time finding things we agree upon. Just a thought.

Not to go off-topic, but i think its because we follow different faiths, and we have to reason why we believe what we believe.. if we just explained the similarities all the time, it wouldn't actually benefit us much. However, i also believe that we should discuss in a respectable manner.

Peace.

**Jayda** · 01-25-2007

si... i think sometimes we discuss similarities because we are afraid we cannot acknowledge our significant differences in a civil way...

Dios te bendiga

**Woodrow** · 01-25-2007

Originally Posted by Jayda

si... i think sometimes we discuss similarities because we are afraid we cannot acknowledge our significant differences in a civil way...

Dios te bendiga

Very true. Because there are so many similarities, the differences seem to spark more anger when we discuss them. We get the attitude of thinking " the other person is so close why can't he see it my way."

History seems to show that the closer two cultures are similar the higher the risk of war. In any country you are more likely to see a civil war before you see war with an exterior enemy. Even when there is a war with an external enemy you will often see a simultaneous internal civil war develop.

**Muslim Woman** · 01-26-2007

Salaam/peace ;

Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

You can use this sister in lots of languages:

http://www.holyquran.org/

thanks bro

Those who are English speaking , pl. let me know which English translation of Quran u found good & easy ?

**Muslim Woman** · 01-26-2007

Salaam/peace ;

Originally Posted by Keltoi

I believe all too often we spend too much time trying to find ways in which our faiths are different and not enough time finding things we agree upon. Just a thought.

very good point :okay:

pl.read article of our revert Jew bro .

CHRISTIANITY & ISLAM

NO MORE DIFFERENCE THAN "THICKNESS OF A TWIG"?

By Michael Wolfe

http://muslim-canada.org/michaelwolfe.html

......Many new Muslims were being tortured. Their livelihoods were threatened, their families persecuted.

In 616, as matters grew worse, Muhammad (p) sent a small band of followers across the Red Sea to seek shelter in the Christian kingdom of Axum.

There, he told them, they would find a just ruler, the Negus, who could protect them. The Muslims found the Negus in his palace, somewhere in the borderland between modern Ethiopia and Eritrea.

And protect them he did, after one Muslim recited to him some lines on the Virgin Mary from the Qur'an.

The Negus wept at what he heard. Between Christians and Muslims, he said, he could not make out more difference than the thickness of a twig.

These two stories underscore the support Christians gave Muhammad (p) in times of trial.

The Qur'an distils the meaning from the drama:

"Those who feel the most affection for Us (who put our faith in the Qur'an), are those that say, 'We are Christians,' for priests and monks live among them who are not arrogant.

When they listen to what We have shown Muhammad, their eyes brim over with tears at the truth they find there...."

Even today, when a Muslim mentions Jesus' name, you will hear it followed by the phrase "peace and blessings be upon him," because Muslims still revere him as a prophet. Again, the Qur'an affirms it:

"We believe in God and in what has been sent down to us, what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their offspring, and what was given to Moses and to Jesus and all the other prophets of the Lord. We make no distinction among them."

....It might almost be said that Islam holds a view of Jesus similar to some of the early apostolic versions condemned by the fourth-century Byzantine Church.

Once Constantine installed Christianity as the Holy Roman Empire's state religion, a rage for orthodoxy followed.

The Councils of Nicaea (325), Tyre (335), Constantinople (381), Ephesus (431), and Chalcedon (451) were official -- and often brutal -- attempts to stamp out heterodox views of Jesus held by "heretical" theologians.

Rulings by these councils led to the persecution and deaths of tens of thousands of early Christians at the hands of the more "orthodox" Christians who condemned them. Most disputes centered on divergent interpretations of the Trinity (God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

For this reason, historians of religion sometimes see in these bloody divisions one of the root causes for early Islam's firmly unitarian outlook.

Then and now, no more dangerous religious mistake exists for a Muslim than dividing the Oneness of God by twos or threes.

Despite these important differences, however, the Qur'an repeatedly counsels Muslims not to dispute with other monotheists over matters of doctrine. People, it says, believe differently for good reasons. In fact, that is a part of Allah's will.

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