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    Salaam/peace;


    Do u know if any other holy books have so many wonderful miracles like the following one ? :okay:

    Reflections on the Medical Miracles of the
    Holy Quran








    Dr. Sharif Kaf Al Ghazal




    The Quran which was revealed fourteen centuries ago to Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) states:.... He makes his chest narrow, tight, as if he were climbing up to the sky.” (6:125)





    The higher the man climbs up in sky the less is the oxygen



    When people first heard of the verse of man’s climbing to sky (space) , they considered it as a sort of imagination, and that Quran regards the ascension to space in a metaphorical manner. Actually the verse is a prophecy that came true centuries after it was first revealed.




    ...... more the ascension increases, the more tightness reaches so critical and difficult stage that respiration is not possible any more. That’s why oxygen cylinders are taken when ascending up the sky, as in space ships !



    .....An international patent for Quranic eye drops !




    * Inspired by the shirt of Yousof (Joseph), an Egyptian Moslem scientist, unprecedently, managed to manufacture an eye drop to treat the cataract. How?


    * Allah the Almighty describes Jacob: “And he turned away from them, and said, ‘Ah, how great is my grief for Joseph.’ And his eyes turned white because of the sorrow that he chocked within him.” (12: 84)

    What Prophet Yousof (PBUH) did, through a revelation from Allah, was that he asked his brothers to take the shirt of healing to their father: “Go, take this shirt, and do you cast it on my father’s face , and he shall recover his sight; then bring me your family altogether.” (12: 93)



    # What healing could be there in the shirt of the Prophet, Yousof ?
    # After meditation, the Egyptian Moslem scientist, Dr. Abdul Basit Sayed Mohammed, did not find except sweat. He began to search the components of sweat.


    ...In Quran, Allah the Almighty says about the torment of hell fire; “such are given to drink boiling water, that tears their bowels asunder.” (47: 15)




    It has been discovered that intestines are not affected with heat.
    But if they are cut, hot water therein comes out into the peritoneum which is fed through the wall nerves feeding the skin, and the muscles of chest and abdomen. These nerves are affected with touch or heat, so the hot water, after intestines are cut, causes the highest degrees of pain.




    “Say; ‘Think you, if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed up you hearts, who – a god other than Allah – could restore them to you?’” (6:46)

    What are the possible reasons behind advancing "hearing" over "sight" in Quran ?



    Hearing develops before sight in the embryo stage , and it is the first sense that functions in life.




    In other words, Allah the Almighty conveys to us that it is hearing that functions at first. If a disturbing sound is produced near the newly born baby, he/ she feels terrified and cries.



    But if a hand is approached near the same baby, he/ she does not move or sense any sort of danger. Ear is preferred over and more superior than the eye, as it does not stop function by sleep.




    The eye needs light to see. Rays of light are reflected on things, then enter the eye to see things. If it is dark, the eye cannot function, but the ear can function day and night.



    Ear is the link between man and the world. When Allah the Almighty decreed that the Men of the Cave sleep hundred of years, He said; “Then We smote their ears many years in the Cave.”



    Hence when ear was out of function, men of the Cave were able to sleep hundred of years without any disturbance. Noisy daylight movements, contrary to night quietness, prevent man to sleep deeply. Yet the ears never sleep or lose attention.



    Why is it, in the Holy Quran, that the word “ear” is always singular, while the word “eyes” is plural? Why could it not be “ears and eyes”, or “ear and eye”?

    Breastfeed your baby even if with your eye-drops … !

    In a very accurate scientific reference, the Quran determines the period of lactation with almost two years. In verse 14 of Surat Luqman: “And We enjoined on man concerning his parents- his mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning was in two years.” (31:14)


    Finger Prints

    Allah says in the Holy Quran : “I do swear by the Day of Resurrection. I do swear by the reproachful soul. Does man reckon We shall not gather his bones? Yes indeed; We are able to shape again the tips of his fingers.” (75: 1-4)



    {لا أُقْسِمُ بِيَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ * وَلا أُقْسِمُ بِالنَّفْسِ اللَّوَّامَةِ * أَيَحْسَبُ الإِنسَانُ أَلَّنْ نَجْمَعَ عِظَامَهُ * بَلَى قَادِرِينَ عَلَى أَنْ نُسَوِّيَ بَنَانَهُ} القيامة 1-4



    * Physicians conducted wide anatomical studies on a large number of people of different nationalities and ages, and they were confronted with the scientific fact to which they bowed their heads, and in submission they testified that no one is ever able to make similar all finger prints scattering all over the universe not even among two persons.




    Conclusion



    The Quran cannot be produced by any creature. It is the word of the Almighty God, the Originator of everything and the One Who encompasses everything with His knowledge. As how could any creature reveal such scientific facts and signs, as indicated above in some Quranic verses, that were impossible to be known with the level of knowledge at the time of revelation?

    ( To read the full artricle, Pl. visit link.)

    http://www.islamicmedicine.org/medmi...iracleseng.htm
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    I have read both. I was a Christian but now I am a Muslim. I still have my bible and occasionally I will look things up in it, usually to compare with somethign that I have read in my Qu'ran. There are many similarities between the 2, but when you consider that both are Abrahamic religions that isnt suprising.



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    Salaam/peace


    Quote Originally Posted by Curious girl2 View Post


    I was a Christian but now I am a Muslim. ...CG


    Welcome to Islam


    &&&

    Q.What Does Islam Say About the Ten Commandments?



    Does Islam believe in the covenant God made through Moses (the Ten Commandments)?




    Ans: .. The Ten Commandments—with the exception of the fourth one, which deals with observance of the Sabbath—in essence and spirit constitute an integral part of the Qur’anic ethics and laws




    …..“You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20: 2-3); in the Qur’an: (Your Lord has commanded that you worship none but Him) (Al-Isra’ 17: 23).


    “You shall not make unto you any graven image … You shall not bow down to them or worship” (Exodus 20: 4–5); in the Qur’an, (Therefore keep away from the defiling idols.) (Al-Hajj 22: 30).


    You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain” (Exodus 20: 7); In the Qur’an, (Make not Allah, by your oaths, a hindrance to your being righteous) (Al-Baqarah 2: 224).


    “Honor your father and mother” (Exodus 20: 12); in the Qur’an: ((Your Lord has decreed) that you show kindness to your parents) (Al-Isra’ 17: 23).


    “You shall not kill” (Exodus 20:13); in the Qur’an: (And kill not one another) (An-Nisa’ 4:29).


    “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20: 14); in the Qur’an: (Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their private parts… And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts.) (An-Nur 24: 30-31)

    “You shall not steal” (Exodus 20: 15); in the Qur’an: (They shall not steal) (Al-Mumtahanah 60: 12).

    You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20: 16); in the Qur’an: (You shall shun false testimony) (An-Nisa’ 4: 29).



    “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, you shall not covet you neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is your neighbor’s” (Exodus 20: 17); in the Qur’an: (Do not desire the things which Allah has given to some of you in preference to others) (An-Nisa’ 4: 32).


    Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: www.islam.ca

    Allah Almighty knows best.

    Please feel free to contact the Living Shari`ah editor at:
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    Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172

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    Greetings,

    In answer to the question in the thread title, I've read large sections of the Qur'an, but I've never read it all the way through. Failing to read all of it was partly down to sections I found confusing and partly down to the stylistically dreadful Yusufali translation I was reading from. Maybe one day I will work through a better translation, but I have to say that the intellectual content of the book doesn't particularly excite me, so it could be a while...

    I don't have a holy book, being an atheist, but I've read lots of holy books from various religions. The ones I've found most interesting by far have been from the Buddhist tradition. What I like about Buddhist teaching is that it doesn't say "here is the truth: BELIEVE IT!", but "here is the truth: take it or leave it".

    On the other hand, here is a quote from the Qur'an which I've always thought somewhat defeats the authoritarian logic found elsewhere within it: "Truth stands out clear from Error. (Qur'an 2:256)" Truth should make itself apparent to you by its own force; it shouldn't require someone to say: "this is the truth and you must believe it".

    Peace

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    Salaam/peace


    Quote Originally Posted by czgibson View Post
    Greetings,

    I've read large sections of the Qur'an......Failing to read all of it was partly down to sections I found confusing ...

    ---do u remember which part u found confusing ?

    links for various translations of Quran in multi-languages & also the recitation & Quran search. U may save links & visit when u have time

    http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/#Translations

    English Translation of the Quran Recited

    If you don't understand the Arabic, try reading along in your favorite translation and you will have tears in your eyes because its so beautiful.

    http://www.lightuponlight.com/islam/...ownload&cid=16

    [ i can't see video online , hope those will be worth watching ]

    Quote Originally Posted by czgibson View Post
    ... here is a quote from the Qur'an which I've always thought somewhat defeats the authoritarian logic found elsewhere within it: "Truth stands out clear from Error. (Qur'an 2:256)" Truth should make itself apparent to you by its own force; it shouldn't require someone to say: "this is the truth and you must believe it".



    --- God Almighty needs to tell us : "this is the truth and you must believe it".

    otherwise , how we ( ordinary human being ) can know what is the Truth ?


    Islam says ' there is no compulsion in religion '.....Truth stands out clear from Error.
    what's the problems with the verse ? can u describe a little more , pl. ?


    God created us but as an Atheist u may not believe in it

    God sent Prophets (pbut ) to teach us to worship God only & show gratitude to Him. To my knowledge , Buddist don't believe in hell & heaven.

    If they are right , no problem for any of us at all ; but what if they are wrong & there is really hell & heaven ? ooooppps can u see the danger of it ?



    Last edited by Muslim Woman; 02-22-2007 at 01:58 AM.


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    Greetings,
    Quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman View Post
    ---do u remember which part u found confusing ?
    Surah 2:62 is one verse that particularly baffled me. There's a thread around here somewhere showing my confusion abundantly, despite kind efforts from others to explain it to me.

    here is a link for various translations of Quran in multi-languages & also the recitation & Quran search. U may save this link & visit when u have time
    That is kind of you, thank you.

    -- God Almighty needs to tell us : "this is the truth and you must believe it".

    otherwise , how we ( ordinary human being ) can know what is the Truth ?
    We could use our brains and find out what we think is the truth. Science, a human enterprise, is commonly thought of as having given us some truth over the centuries, no?

    Islam says ' there is no compulsion in religion '.....Truth stands out clear from Error.
    what's the problems with the verse ? can u describe a little more , pl. ?
    I think what you've quoted is eminently sensible; it's just that, to me, it appears to conflict with other aspects of Islam. I certainly think there should be no compulsion in religion. However, if there is no compulsion in religion, why should a religious authorities have legal powers over blasphemy cases? Why do the Muslims I've met say things like 'we believe in angels because we have to'?

    If 'truth stands out clear from error' (which it certainly doesn't in many cases), then why is it necessary for the creator to have someone broadcast the revelation of the Qur'an and tell humanity that they must believe it?
    God created us but as an Atheist u may not believe in it
    As an atheist I do not believe that - you are right.

    To my knowledge , Buddist don't believe in hell & heaven.
    Some Buddhists do, I believe, but it's not a part of the core Buddhist teachings. Whether or not there is a god is something that is also largely irrelevant to Buddhist thought.

    If they are right , no problem for any of us at all ; but what if they are wrong & there is really hell & heaven ? ooooppps can u see the danger of it ?
    That's essentially a version of an old argument called Pascal's Wager. In the link I've provided you can find a summary of all the objections raised against it over the years.

    Peace

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    czgibson, here is another website...www.quranicrealm.com You can both listen to the recitations and follow along with the translation of your liking.

    Sahih International
    Yusuf Ali
    Muhsin Khan
    Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall

    are some of the few translators, I hope that helps.



    Pray:
    Our Lord! we have heard the call of one calling (Us) to Faith, 'Believe ye in the Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins, blot out from us our iniquities, and take to Thyself our souls in the company of the righteous.
    3:193

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    Salaam/peace

    Surah 2:62 is one verse that particularly baffled me.
    ---Here is a related link:


    Q. Who are the Jews & Christians to be Rewarded by Allah?



    Ans: ….What you refer to in your question is mentioned in two Qur’anic verses in the Qur’an. The first of them is the verse: Al-Baqarah: 62 ,


    The second verse is: “Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians – whosoever believed in Allah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” (Al-Ma’idah: 69)




    ………….As far as the Jews are concerned, their faith meant believing in the Tawrat (original Torah) and following the way of Prophet Musa, peace and blessings be upon him, until Prophet `Isa came, after which whoever continued to follow the Torah and the way of Prophet Musa, and did not follow Prophet `Isa, was doomed.




    As far as the Christians are concerned, their faith meant believing in the Injil (the Gospel) and following the laws of Prophet `Isa;

    whoever did this was a believer whose faith was acceptable to Allah, until Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, came, after which whoever did not follow Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, and leave the way of Prophet `Isa and the Injil that he had been following before, was doomed.






    The Qura’nic verse “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers”

    (Al `Imran: 85) is a clear-cut statement that Allah will not accept any way or deed from anyone, after sending His Final Messenger, except those that are in accordance with the laws of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him.


    Prior to this, however, anyone who followed the Prophet of his own time was on the Straight Path of salvation.




    So the Jews were those who followed Musa, peace be upon him, and referred to the Torah for judgment at that time.


    When Allah sent Prophet `Isa, peace be upon him, the Children of Israel were obliged to follow him and obey him; so they and others who followed him became Christians.




    When Allah sent Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, as the Final Prophet and a Messenger to all the children of Adam, all mankind was obliged to believe in him and obey him, and refrain from what he prohibited.



    Those who did so are the true believers. The Ummah of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, are called the believers because of their deep faith and conviction, and because they believe in all the past Prophets and in the prophesied events that are yet to come.”



    Please feel free to contact the Living Shari`ah editor at:



    Living.Shariah@iolteam.com

    (Excerpted, with slight modifications, from
    www.islam-qa.com)




    Allah Almighty knows best.




    We could use our brains and find out what we think is the truth. Science, a human enterprise, is commonly thought of as having given us some truth over the centuries, no?


    ----nope . We have so many different opinions, who will decide who is right & why & how ? In another thread , a Christian gay told me Jesus (p) will be happy to see him on the Last Day , I don’t think so . Who is right here ?



    In another forum , an Atheist told me , he does not think there is any wrong to have an affair with step-mom ( ref: The Bold & beautiful ). I was shocked to read that. May be as an Atheist , u will support him but many won’t ; So , who will decide if having such an affair is right or wrong ?




    if there is no compulsion in religion, why should a religious authorities have legal powers over blasphemy cases?


    ----no compulsion means we must not force anyone to accept Islam .It does not mean that others may use nasty languages in a free style against God Almighty or any Prophet of God.



    I don’t believe in atheism but also I must not bash any atheist ; I m against gayism but I must not use dirty language against gays… right ? ( BTW , who will decide that ? )



    Why do the Muslims I've met say things like 'we believe in angels because we have to'?
    ---Muslims mean who surrendered themselves to God Almighty. So , for Muslims it’s a must to believe in God , life hereafter , angels etc as these are mentioned in Quran.


    Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and apostles, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! God is an enemy to those who reject Faith. (2:98 )


    Don’t worry …..We will not go after Atheists to make them believe forcefully in angels


    …..why is it necessary for the creator to have someone broadcast the revelation of the Qur'an and tell humanity that they must believe it?


    what’s the problem ? Either take it or leave it ….…no one is forcing u


    That's essentially a version of an old argument called Pascal's Wager.


    --- pl. tell me about ur opinion . If really there is life hereafter , on the Last Day , what will happen to non-believers ?




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    Quote Originally Posted by czgibson View Post
    Greetings,




    I think what you've quoted is eminently sensible; it's just that, to me, it appears to conflict with other aspects of Islam. I certainly think there should be no compulsion in religion. However, if there is no compulsion in religion, why should a religious authorities have legal powers over blasphemy cases? Why do the Muslims I've met say things like 'we believe in angels because we have to'?


    Peace
    I just want to comment on this part alone! Excluding "blasphemy cases" since I am not certan what you mean by that?

    There much more to reading the Quran than just the transliteration that you can get in mulit-languages. If you browse through certain verses you'll find one word needing a sentence in English to convey its meaning. That is very powerful and you'd need to be a native Arabic speaker to really appreciate that, and one who is discerning with some abstract thinking as in not just mouthing off words let's say as my 6 year old nephew would read it!..... as for the part about the angels... perhaps it is a portion you skipped over or didn't touch you as much? as is described in the very beginning of chapter 2. When G-D uses the word "mo'min" a more powerful word than "Moslim" even more powerful than both is the word "mokhlis" as they describe different degrees in piety..... so why do we "blindly" believe in angels? Not because we have to and I am sorry you are given a poor answer..but because if you accept that this is the word of G-D.. YOu know that they exist as per the following verses-- when you quote something in science you usually back it up with research from trusted sources.....in religion you back it up with scriptures... now we can get into a topic of whether or not this is the word of G-D but if you'll accept that it is... then all else will fall into place....
    بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِ
    الم {1}
    [Pickthal 2:1] Alif. Lam. Mim.

    ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ {2}
    [Pickthal 2:2] This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).

    الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ {3}
    [Pickthal 2:3] Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;

    والَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِالآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ {4}
    [Pickthal 2:4] And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter.

    أُوْلَـئِكَ عَلَى هُدًى مِّن رَّبِّهِمْ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ {5}
    [Pickthal 2:5] These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful


    So from the above verses you can conclude why we believe in Angels... that is basically what it means to be a "mo'min" .....

    peace to you cz... I often enjoy your posts.... as they are polite in nature!
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