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    Bismillahi ar-Rahmani ar-Rahim

    Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

    Christians often claim that their faith healing ministries have their foundation in the so called "Great Commission", where after his alleged resurrection, Jesus Christ (alaihi salam) commissioned his disciples to heal the sick in "his name". However, verses constituting the "Great Commission" do not appear in the earliest manuscripts. For example, the relevant part of Mark 16 is not found in the earliest Greek manuscripts of the New Testament (Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus).

    On the other hand, there are numerous foundations and justifications of faith healing found in Islam:

    Uthman b. Abu al-'As Al-Thaqafi reported that he nade a complaint of pain to Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) that he felt in his body at the time he had become Muslim. Thereupon Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: Place your hand at the place where you feel pain in your body and say Bismillah (in the name of Allaah) three times and seven times A'udhu billahi wa qudratihi min sharri ma ajidu wa ukhdhiru (I seek refuge with Allaah and with His Power from the evil that I find and that I fear). (Sahih Muslim; Kitab-us-Salam)

    Abu Sa'id Khudri reported that some persons amongst the Companions of Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) set out on a journey and they happened to pass by a tribe from the tribes of Arabia. They demanded hospitality from the members of that tribe, but they did not extend any hospitality to them. They said to them: Is there any incantator amongst you, at the chief of the tribe has bgen stung by a scorpion? A person amongst us said: 'Yes. So he came to him and he practised incan- tation with the help of Sura al-Fatiha and the person became all right. He was given a flock of sheep (as recompense), but he refused to accept that, saying: I shall make a mention of it to Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), and if he approves of it. then I shall accept it. So we came to Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and made a mention of that to him and he (that person) said: Allaah's Messenger by Allaah, I did not practice incantation but with the help of Sura al-Fatiha of the Holy Book. He (the Prophet) smiled and said: How did you come to know that it can be used (as incactation)? - and then said: Take out of that and allocate a share for me along with your share. (Sahih Muslim; Kitab-us-Salam)

    The Prophet used to treat some of his wives by passing his right hand over the place of ailment and used to say, "O Allah, the Lord of the people! Remove the trouble and heal the patient, for You are the healer. No healing is of any avail but Yours; healing that will leave behind no ailment." (Sahih al-Bukhari; Kitab-ut-Tiba)

    There are numerous other examples, but these three ahadith should suffice to show the legitimacy of faith healing in Islam, in particular, Surah al-Fatiha, which is incidently also known as Surah ash-Shifa (the cure), is the mother of the Quran and is therefore also a means of faith healing when it is invoked.

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    I am just wondering, can you give any examples of people, in this day and age, cured by their faith in Islam?

    http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/Onl...d_of_AIDS.aspx

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    Healing is something which if I am not mistaken Islam teaches can happen at the hands of others i.e. not just believers and so does Christianity.

    I don't see the point of this thread but for it to arupt into a brawl.


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    I don't see the point of this thread but for it to arupt into a brawl
    I do not engage in brawls, they are not productive or necessary. I would like to mention that faith healing today are not the norm, contrary to what some Christian faith healers may teach. When they do happen, they are often used by God to start a spiritual restoration in a community much in need of one.
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    We try not to have brawls here, as you said they are not productive or necessary.

    In the light of Islam and Christiainty I think the reason spiritual healing is heard more and associated more with Christianity is because Christianity speaks about it more, or maybe not more but that it is commonly associated as a fundamental for believers.


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    commonly associated as a fundamental for believers.
    Not all fundamental Christians believe the miraculous gift of healing as the Apostles had are in operation today. Only a minority of Christians have this belief. Miraculous healing do occur, but they are a rarity.

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    The Dalai Lama had a few things to say about 'faith healing'. After commenting to the effect that anyone who thought he (the Dalai Lama) had any gifts in that direction was likely to be sorely disappointed, he said that if he ever actually met a real faith healer he would see them about his skin problems. Needless to say, he never has.

    Actually 'faith' healing is an accurate description. It's all about a positive mental attitude. The important thing is not whether someone has any actual power to heal, be it divine gift or channelling or otherwise, but whether the subject believes they have it. If they do believe it, it might just be enough to make a difference... but the work is done themselves, not by the 'healer' and not by God.

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    A rarity indeed!

    I Don't see any point in this thread either.

    for one thing any chalatan can set up shop as a faith healer. If you say any
    thing against them they thump you with Bible or Quraan (depending on their
    professed faith). They tell you how Moses did miracles, Jesus healed the lepers.

    And I say to them, you aint either of those Prophets (Peace be upon them all).


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    Sounds more like a pending football game to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    Not all fundamental Christians believe the miraculous gift of healing as the Apostles had are in operation today. Only a minority of Christians have this belief. Miraculous healing do occur, but they are a rarity.
    What I was refering to was that not fundamental Christians as such, but the fact that in Christianity it is a fundamental belief that real worshippers of Jesus should be or are able to heal. I wonder why it is only a minority today since the Bible is explicit about this ability being present in believers.


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    as i flip through my NT, i see prolly 50 stories of jesus healing someone or a group of people. blind men, disabled, deaf, all kinds!

    but what's more amazing is the faith healings that happen to this day, or have happened after jesus. take for example in mexico, there is this one girl.. she recieves apparations of the virgin mary and jesus all the time. to prove it she can read or write or speak ANY language. she has been tested by people before!

    in egypt there is this church, and at that church, the virgin mary appears. thousands of people have seen it. one day, 500 people saw it, and they all converted to christinaity that same night! after the virgin mary had left, they all got baptized.

    in belarus, there is this girl who recieves messages from the virgin mary. every night on this hilltop in thast city you can see a ghost of the virgin mary.

    in sudan, there was an imam with a daughter who couldn't walk because her legs were parylized. well, they were walking by an outdoor christian service, and music was being played. the girl dropped her crutches and began to walk. the man moved to toronto a few years ago and is now an ultra devout christian.

    these are stories that can all be verified, that happen to this day, and that have been seen by thousands. in 1917, so way back lol but still, there were these three kids who recieved apparations. no one believed them. they were threatened to be killed for it. so one day they told everyone to wait outside and the virgin mary would show them a sign. so over 70,000 people attended (and this is in rural portugal, so basically everyone attended.) they had waited for an hour, and everything was wet. they were drenched in water. then, by the grace of god, everything all of a sudden dried up. and the sun started dancing, and it could be seen from up to 70 miles. this was the virgin mary showing these ppl that the kids weren't lying. there was a blind man.. he could then see. there was a man on crtuches.. he didn't need them anymore. there was a man with a broken arm.. healed. the first newspaper to report this was a communist newspaper too btw. this is what really brought back christianity to portugal, since it had always been more secular then anything. there are pictures to verify this too, as well as very short clips.

    but this isnt' a competition. you believe in the miracles you wish to, and i will believe in the ones i wish to!
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    I think that is most amazing, how could an imam be so silly. SubhanAllah!!

    As for faith healing, I'd love to know why there are still millions suffering from aids, that goes out to both muslims and christians.

    Go and heal the millions in africa if you cant then I rather not believe in you. But than again others will always believe what they want to and use nething even illogical to justify it.


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    A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
    If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.

    Your Bro. Abu Hurayra, al-Habeshi

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    faith healing ..is exactly that

    faith in healing

    any one believing strongly(placebo or otherwise)

    will feel better or get better by the will of allah

    allah will heal ,but how people percieve it and the cause...will differ

    to avoid argument it is not a religion thing
    but a faith thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi View Post
    I think that is most amazing, how could an imam be so silly. SubhanAllah!!

    As for faith healing, I'd love to know why there are still millions suffering from aids, that goes out to both muslims and christians.

    Go and heal the millions in africa if you cant then I rather not believe in you. But than again others will always believe what they want to and use nething even illogical to justify it.

    Thank you

    I, myself, was dumbstruck, I did not have the words to reply to the outrageous claims.


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    i hate it when they have those 'shows' where people are magically 'healed' with faith


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    thirdwatch512,

    What is this? Why are they all involving the Virgin Mary? She is just a human like the rest of us, she has no power of her own.

    this was the virgin mary showing these ppl that the kids weren't lying.
    How can she show them anything when she is in her grave?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaikah View Post
    thirdwatch512,

    What is this? Why are they all involving the Virgin Mary? She is just a human like the rest of us, she has no power of her own.



    How can she show them anything when she is in her grave?
    the virgin mary was actually a very important person in christianity.. VERY. there's a story in i think mark chapter 6, it might be 2.. idk but it's somewhere in mark, and it just really puts her in the spotlight lol, and it shows how important she was.

    in my opinion, she is in heaven right now.

    the virgin mary, in most apparations, just simply tells the people to spread the emssage of christianity.. she's saddened by the unbelievers. she's sort of like a messenger of Jesus (who we believe is god.) well not really a messenger, more of just a person who blesses others in a way lol.

    not all apparations are of the virgin mary though.. many, many are from jesus.

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    If you really think ab out it, what religion does not teach anything about healing power through faith and supplication?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaikah View Post
    How can she show them anything when she is in her grave?
    A ghost?


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    Greetings and peace be with you Trumble;

    Actually 'faith' healing is an accurate description. It's all about a positive mental attitude. The important thing is not whether someone has any actual power to heal, be it divine gift or channelling or otherwise, but whether the subject believes they have it. If they do believe it, it might just be enough to make a difference... but the work is done themselves, not by the 'healer' and not by God
    I canít remember were our Brother Woodrow posted his story of how his legs where smashed in an accident, and the process of healing that followed after. If you could hear his explanation I believe that he was not healed by another person or through his own positive outlook. Rather I believe that God rewarded him through his faith.

    In the spirit of searching for God.

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