Eleven planets in the Solar System?!

Aziz · 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CNN

PASADENA, California (CNN) -- A group of astronomers announced Friday that an object they discovered in the distant reaches of the solar system is large enough to be classified as the 10th planet -- a claim likely to reignite a debate over just how many objects should really have the title of planet.

The object -- located 96 times as far from the Earth as the Earth is from the sun, or nearly 9 billion miles away -- was first photographed in October 2003 by astronomers at the California Institute of Technology's Palomar Observatory, north of San Diego.

While researchers say they aren't yet sure of its actual size, they have determined the object is bigger than Pluto, currently the smallest planet and the one most distant from the sun.

"If Pluto is a planet, it seems reasonable that something that's bigger than Pluto, and further away than Pluto, should be called a planet, too," said Mike Brown, a Cal Tech planetary scientist who made the discovery with colleagues Chad Trujillo of the Gemini Observatory and David Rabinowitz of Yale University. However, a number of astronomers dispute whether Pluto, discovered in 1930, should really be classified as a planet, because it is so dissimilar from the other eight. Instead, they believe it should be classified only as a Kuiper Belt object, part of an array of icy debris in the outer reaches of the solar system. Thousands of Kuiper objects have been discovered, and more are being found all the time.

Brown concedes that both Pluto and his new planet are Kuiper objects -- but he argues they are also both big enough to be classified as planets. The International Astronomical Union, the official arbiter of such disputes, has classified Pluto as a planet and recently declined to demote it. Brown said resolving the argument over whether the object his team found is a planet will take years.

Brown's team has submitted a name for its proposed planet to the IAU, which won't be announced until the astronomy group hands down its ruling. While the object was first photographed in 2003, its motion was not detected until January because it was so far away. Since then, astronomers have been studying the object to estimate its size and motion. Brown said the planet-sized object probably wasn't discovered earlier because it was in a location where planets aren't expected.

"All of the planets are in a disc around the sun, and this object is 45 degrees out of that disc," he said. --CNN Producers Sara Weisfeldt and Kate Tobin contributed to this report.

well yes the above article talks about the 10 th planet but in the Quran its written that there are 11 planets in th solar system right?

was there any source about this dream of Joseph's pbuh other than the Quran?

I was confused by the translations:

012.004
YUSUFALI: Behold! Joseph said to his father: "O my father! I did see eleven stars and the sun and the moon: I saw them prostrate themselves to me!"

PICKTHAL: When Joseph said unto his father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me.

SHAKIR: When Yusuf said to his father: O my father! surely I saw eleven stars and the sun and the moon-- I saw them making obeisance to me.

help me on this topic guys.

Salam Alaikum.

minaz · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-30-2005

Lol I don't give a toss if there's 10/11/12 or 100 planets in our solar system, Our planet aint one community and when it is then I might consider the other "planets" - i'll probs be well dead by then!

Link · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-30-2005

Assalamu alaicom

the eleven stars or planets r refering to his brothers i think

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-30-2005

With regards to the ayat from the Qur'an, it can be translated as eleven stars or planets, the word is the same.

With regards to the number of planets in our solar system, there are debates because we don't have a standard definition of a planet.

Aziz · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-30-2005

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With regards to the ayat from the Qur'an, it can be translated as eleven stars or planets, the word is the same.

4. Ith qala yoosufu li-abeehi ya abati innee raaytu ahada AAashara kawkaban waalshshamsa waalqamara raaytuhum lee sajideena

which word?

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-30-2005

kawkaban=planets/stars

Nakisai · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-30-2005

well that nice to know I think?

Aziz · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-31-2005

Aziz · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-31-2005

yes this is a miracle of the Quran then?

minaz · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-31-2005

Well let's not forget this is coming from "a Zionist controlled media"

Aziz · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-31-2005

this too?

minaz · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-31-2005

lol seeing as people on this forum say the western media is a "conspirers" and apply double standards, i'm just fighting back

**Muhammad** · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-31-2005

[12.100] And he raised his parents upon the throne and they fell down in prostration before him, and he said: O my father! this is the significance of my vision of old; my Lord has indeed made it to be true; and He was indeed kind to me when He brought me forth from the prison and brought you from the desert after the Shaitan had sown dissensions between me and my brothers, surely my Lord is benignant to whom He pleases; surely He is the Knowing, the Wise.

The verse above indicates the interpretation of Prophet Yusuf (AS)'s dream, that is when his family prostrate to him when they reunite. You can see at Tafsir.com that:

Yusuf's Dream
Allah says, `Mention to your people, O Muhammad, among the stories that you narrate to them, the story of Yusuf.' Prophet Yusuf (Joseph) mentioned his dream to his father, Prophet Ya`qub (Jacob), son of Prophet Ishaq (Isaac), son of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham), peace be upon them all. `Abdullah bin `Abbas stated that the dreams of Prophets are revelations from Allah. Scholars of Tafsir explained that in Yusuf's dream the eleven stars represent his brothers, who were eleven, and the sun and the moon represent his father and mother. This explanation was collected from Ibn `Abbas, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Sufyan Ath-Thawri and `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam. Yusuf's vision became a reality forty years later, or as some say, eighty years, when Yusuf raised his parents to the throne while his brothers were before him,

I hope that helps to clear it up Insha'Allaah,

root · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-31-2005

Now I am confused..............

**Muhammad** · **Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! -** 07-31-2005

Greetings,

Well what I am saying is that the 11 stars and the sun and the moon mentioned in the verse are actually a vision in the dream of Prophet Yusuf (as) and as mentioned above, dreams of Prophets are revelations from God. Thus the vision is directly referring to the incident which happens later on the story:

(and they fell down before him prostrate. And he said: "O my father! This is the interpretation of my dream aforetime! My Lord has made it come true!'')

So the verse is not actually directly talking about how many planets there are in the solar system... and Allaah Knows best.

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minaz rep points mean nothin Status: Offline Posts: 1,334 Reputation: 2070 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leicester Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-30-2005 Lol I don't give a toss if there's 10/11/12 or 100 planets in our solar system, Our planet aint one community and when it is then I might consider the other "planets" - i'll probs be well dead by then!

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Link LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 222 Reputation: 183 Rep Power: 24 Join Date: Jan 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Undisclosed	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-30-2005 Assalamu alaicom the eleven stars or planets r refering to his brothers i think

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Ansar Al-'Adl Administrator Status: Offline Posts: 5,161 Reputation: 13017 Rep Power: 45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-30-2005 With regards to the ayat from the Qur'an, it can be translated as eleven stars or planets, the word is the same. With regards to the number of planets in our solar system, there are debates because we don't have a standard definition of a planet. __________________ The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik] Visit Ansâr Al-'Adl's personal page HERE. Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

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Ansar Al-'Adl Administrator Status: Offline Posts: 5,161 Reputation: 13017 Rep Power: 45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-30-2005 kawkaban=planets/stars __________________ The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik] Visit Ansâr Al-'Adl's personal page HERE. Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

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Nakisai LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 219 Reputation: 39 Rep Power: 22 Join Date: May 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-30-2005 well that nice to know I think?

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Aziz LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,653 Reputation: 998 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: City of Mosques,Bangladesh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-31-2005 yes

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Aziz LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,653 Reputation: 998 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: City of Mosques,Bangladesh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-31-2005 yes this is a miracle of the Quran then?

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minaz rep points mean nothin Status: Offline Posts: 1,334 Reputation: 2070 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leicester Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-31-2005 Well let's not forget this is coming from "a Zionist controlled media"

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Aziz LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,653 Reputation: 998 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: City of Mosques,Bangladesh Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-31-2005 this too?

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minaz rep points mean nothin Status: Offline Posts: 1,334 Reputation: 2070 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leicester Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-31-2005 lol seeing as people on this forum say the western media is a "conspirers" and apply double standards, i'm just fighting back

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Muhammad Slave of Allaah Status: Offline Posts: 4,058 Reputation: 24476 Rep Power: 57 Join Date: Apr 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-31-2005 [12.100] And he raised his parents upon the throne and they fell down in prostration before him, and he said: O my father! this is the significance of my vision of old; my Lord has indeed made it to be true; and He was indeed kind to me when He brought me forth from the prison and brought you from the desert after the Shaitan had sown dissensions between me and my brothers, surely my Lord is benignant to whom He pleases; surely He is the Knowing, the Wise. The verse above indicates the interpretation of Prophet Yusuf (AS)'s dream, that is when his family prostrate to him when they reunite. You can see at Tafsir.com that: Yusuf's Dream Allah says, `Mention to your people, O Muhammad, among the stories that you narrate to them, the story of Yusuf.' Prophet Yusuf (Joseph) mentioned his dream to his father, Prophet Ya`qub (Jacob), son of Prophet Ishaq (Isaac), son of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham), peace be upon them all. `Abdullah bin `Abbas stated that the dreams of Prophets are revelations from Allah. Scholars of Tafsir explained that in Yusuf's dream the eleven stars represent his brothers, who were eleven, and the sun and the moon represent his father and mother. This explanation was collected from Ibn `Abbas, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Sufyan Ath-Thawri and `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam. Yusuf's vision became a reality forty years later, or as some say, eighty years, when Yusuf raised his parents to the throne while his brothers were before him, I hope that helps to clear it up Insha'Allaah,

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root LI Oldskool Status: Offline Posts: 1,465 Reputation: 770 Rep Power: 25 Join Date: Dec 2004 Gender:	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-31-2005 Now I am confused..............

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Muhammad Slave of Allaah Status: Offline Posts: 4,058 Reputation: 24476 Rep Power: 57 Join Date: Apr 2005 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim	Re: Eleven planets in the Solar System?! - 07-31-2005 Greetings, Well what I am saying is that the 11 stars and the sun and the moon mentioned in the verse are actually a vision in the dream of Prophet Yusuf (as) and as mentioned above, dreams of Prophets are revelations from God. Thus the vision is directly referring to the incident which happens later on the story: (*and they fell down before him prostrate. And he said: "O my father! This is the interpretation of my dream aforetime! My Lord has made it come true!''*) So the verse is not actually directly talking about how many planets there are in the solar system... and Allaah Knows best.