Salaam/peace;




pl. ask ur question here


Things in Islam I am curious about

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...tml#post797034 (Things in Islam I am curious about...)






verse for this life & the life hereafter




Those who have abandoned themselves to sin are wont to laugh at such as have attained to faith, whenever they pass by them,

they wink at one another, and whenever they return to people of their own kind, they return full of jests;

and whenever they see those [who believe,] they say,
'Behold, these have indeed gone astray!'


And, they have no call to watch over others...

But on the Day of Judgment, they who had attained to faith will laugh at the deniers of the truth.

-Quran (83:29-32)

Salaam/peace;


Jesus (pbuh ) will come back as a human being or God ?


verses for this life & the life hereafter

God does not like those who spend their wealth ostentatiously, believing neither in God nor in the last day.

Such people are making friends with Satan - and what an evil friend he is!

-Qu'ran, An-Nisa, Surah 4:38

Shalom (Peace),

Why? My question was also asked to Christians in the end as well; so it belongs in this thread. My question in the end was "I have a question for both Christians and Muslims in regards to their 'end time' views." If you do not wish answer it, that is fine, but I hold, that it is indeed relevant in line with the topic you brought up.

Here is my post from before again:

First of all I must agree you express a valid reason for your question to be posted here. Technically it could probably be reworded as two separate questions and posted in both threads. But, redundancy is not very logical.

Please keep in mind I am not very well versed in the Hadith and it will take me some time to find an answer I can say I understand. Most likely some of the more scholastic Muslim members will have answered this long before I think I have found the answer.

Salaam/peace


this thread is Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians


so , Muslims view on end time will be off topic here. I gave a short ans here

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...tml#post798027 (Things in Islam I am curious about...)

a short reply here.


It seems to me that u r upset thinking that Quran is harsh on Jews. I told u ( or was it IzaK ?? ) ---- ur own holy book condemned Jews because they killed Prophets (pbut ) of God , committed shirk etc .

Surely i don't need to give passages from ur own holy book or do I ????

Quran does not say all Jews are bad .....u may read related link that i posted long ago ...i m looking for it ..pl. wait.

here it is

similarities between Muslims & Jewish Holy Books


http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...oly-books.html (similarities between Muslims & Jewish Holy Books.)


will u post the link for the hadith on the tree ?? thanks



verses for this life & the life hereafter


The Disbelievers

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

Say: O unbelievers!


I do not serve that which you serve,
Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:

Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,


Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:


You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

chapter 109

Jesus will come back in the same form he had when here on earth -- in other words appearing in the flesh as a man, but also at the same time 100% divine.


When it comes to prophecy, I am sorry to say that there is in Christian circles something that I would call "pop" eschatology (as opposed to biblical eschatology), and much of what passes for an understanding of the end times comes from this "pop" eschatology. Whether the person you were in conversation with was referring to that sort of thing or not I can't tell from your post, but the idea that Muslims must be expelled from the Holy land for Jesus to return is foreign to me, just as Keltoi said it was to him.

The only reason for the violence that I can see is that a great deal of violence is being experienced on earth before the return of Jesus and when he comes back he simply does away with all of the sources of evil in order to bring an everlasting peace. But in doing so he has in hand a sword as he faces those who try to stand against him. Whether he actually needs to wield it is speculation.

As far as the Islamic views on the endtimes, I will let the Muslims answer for themselves.

Salaam/peace;



Muslims and Christians agree here that

Jesus (p) will establish peace in the earth ....i wish , it will happen in my life time

Shalom (Peace),


I'm afraid that the above, has absolutely nothing to do with an Islamic text spewing that Muslims must commit genocide against 'the Jews' before the day of judgment comes. The above comment of yours and the topic I was speaking about are two very different subjects. One topic (you are speaking of) is about texts in the Quran that condemn some Jews, so you compare it to the Tanakh which may speak harshly of Jews who sin. The topic I am discussing; is about an Islamic text which states that the day of judgment cannot come until genocide is committed.

You are fooling yourself if you think Judaic texts say ethnic genocide is a requirement for the day of judgement to come.

Salaam/peace;

u did not give me link for the hadith.

I m writing in short about second coming of Jesus (p). I
m not sure if Quran has verses on killing Dajjal or Jews ...most probably it's in Hadith. I read about this long ago.



He will kill Dajjal ....anti-Christ. Jews will help Dajjal . therefore they will support the evil power. The war will take place between evil & good . By the mercy of God , Jesus (p) will win


Surely u believe Jews in the past killed Prophets of God...as ur holy book tells u so ...u cant deny this fact...right ? Many Jews will try to do the same before the Last Day ....thus they will disobey God again & will get due punishment .

God Willing , The good Jews of the past will go to heaven on last Day



what do u mean by betray ??? Tress and stones belong to God or to Jews ?


just before the death ,all Jews will declare that they believe now Jesus (p) is a blessed Prophet of God ...but it will be too late then.......repentance just before death won't be accepted.

may Allah forgive me if i gave here any wrong info

verses for this life & the life hereafter


4.159


And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them.

Skillganon - If one wants to know what happens - just visit - the door is always open

Shalom (Peace), Muslim woman; before I begin, let it be known that this passage actually disturbs me since I believe it is used to justify murder. Either way; you wrote:

I gave you a source, in the ‘Hamas charter’, this is used as a way to motivate Muslims to systematically murder Jews. It said “related by al-Bukhari” at the end.

I am familiar about the Islamic tale of the end of days with the ‘dajjal’, the 70,000 Jews that will emerge of Iran, etc. However, currently the Jewish population in Iran is slowly deteriorating, I believe the Jewish population is at 20,000 currently and the population sees no sign of growing with current persecution of the rights they have to believe what they wish freely. But that is another matter entirely.

The passage speaks about how Muslims must commit ethnic genocide against Jews because until they do, the ‘Day of Judgment’ will not arrive. All I wanted to know, was if you were a literalist in regards to interpreting this passage, i.e. you believe that the Jews (including me) have to die for the end time to arrive, and that rocks and trees will call out to the Muslims that I am hiding behind them. I wanted to know how you interpreted this passage. If you interpret it as a literalist, than can you kindly point me to where I can buy these Gharkad tree’s since they are the ones that won’t tell Muslims coming to kill my family that I am hiding behind them? All I am looking at is background on that specific passage; literal, allegorical, etc. I really am not looking for justification since the passage says nothing about killing ‘bad Jews’ or ‘sinning Jews’ but labels the people you have to eradicate as “The Jews”. I’m looking for your interpretation of such a passage. Or are you under the impression that every Jews on this entire earth will follow the so called “Dajjal” and therefore will be okay to kill, in other words: all Jews across the world with thousands of different philosophies ranging from atheism, to literalistic interpretations of the Torah will agree to follow this “Dajjal”?

Just for informational purposes can you list for me all of the Jewish prophets that were killed by Jewish people/Israelites. Thanks in advance.

The definition of ‘betray’ I am using in the sentence you quoted:

“ To reveal against one's desire or will.”

Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/betray

Therefore, yes, they will betray Jews, who hide behind them, will be “betrayed”, by the rocks and trees they hide behind.

Oh so Islam and Christianity are not so different after all. But you have me fascinated now, are you saying that in Islam, it is valid to say that repentance before death is not allowed, and you will be going to hell either way?

Peace Rav,

Like all things this needs to be read in perspective and can not be taken out of context.

My own view is that this is reference to the events that will come to pass before the final days are upon us.

Taken in context, I can not see where we are commanded to kill Jews just because they are Jews.

Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 175
Narrated Khalid bin Madan: