In the Qur’an Muhammad claims only to be a messenger or warner to the people.

Sura 34:28 "And we have not sent you (O Mohammed) except as a giver of glad tidings and a Warner to all people."

Muhammad never claimed that through following him you would go to heaven, in fact when challenged he had this to say about himself not being saved.

Sura 46:9 Say: "I am not an innovation among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."

Muhammad refused to perform any miracles as he could not!

Sura 29:50 And they say, `Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, `The Signs are with ALLAH, and I am but a plain warner,'

Muhammad used the Bible to make a point about his teaching, this very claim gives evidence by Muhammad of the truth of the Bible.

Sura 46:10 Say: "See ye? If (this teaching) be from Allah, and ye reject it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity (with earlier scripture), and has believed while ye are arrogant, (how unjust ye are!) truly, Allah guides not a people unjust."

In Islam everyone must go to hell first including Muslims the Qur’an declares it!

Sura 19:66-69. Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"

But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?

So, by thy Lord, without doubt, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Satans (with them); then shall We bring them forth on their knees round about Hell;

Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (Allah) Most Gracious.

Sura 19:71 mentioned not one will pass over it i.e all Muslims must enter hell;

71. Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.

Muhammad acknowledged in the Qur’an that he is a sinner and asks forgiveness for his sins both past, present and future!

Sura 48:2 That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfill His favor to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;

Claims of Jesus of Nazareth !

Jesus Claimed himself sinless which is also mentioned in the Qur’an as a holy/pure son.

Sura 19:19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

1 Pet 1:19 But he paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God

Jesus claimed he was the only way to go to heaven and the only truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (other then Jesus Christ) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jesus further provided an amazing miracle raising a dead person four days after this person’s death when the dead body would be rotten and full of stench.

John 11:39-44 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Jesus claimed to resurrect the dead to life even unto eternal life with full authority.

Jesus said unto her (Martha), I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Jesus claimed he could give eternal life and no one could reverse it or take it away so if you trust in Jesus Christ he will take you to heaven and he is the only one who can do this!

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Jesus claimed to be the very word of God, God in flesh on earth who made the world and the creator of the world.

He claimed to be God on earth (Immanuel) God with us, he died and rose again showing the power he has over death and life.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (the two are one in nature).

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Jesus claimed he came on earth to forgive sins once and for all times for those who believed in him and followed him!

John 1:29 next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The Qur’an attests to Jesus being word of God, Kalmatullah and the Spirit of God i.e Ruhh Allah Sura 4:171.

Conclusion

So in essence Jesus is the only one who made the claim of divine authorship and forgiveness of your sins to enter heaven whilst Muhammad does not claim to give you eternal life in anyway possible, even your good deeds guarantee nothing, though you maybe sincerely following a religious or non religious system but you can still be sincerely wrong, Jesus said that it is the condition of your heart which allows God to work in your life and to reveal his only truth the only road to everlasting life through Messiah Jesus.

Jer 29:13 You shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart.

If you pray to the Lord Jesus for forgiveness of your sins then not only are your sins forgiven by the blood he shed on the cross but he will enter your life for a personal relationship.

John 6: 47, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life!

Conclusion

Muhammad offered no way to remove your sins, you eternal state hangs in the balance i.e you do not go to heaven at all as he made no such promises but simply said you might or might not.?????

Do you want to live your life on a might or might not?????

It is Jesus Christ who was the final offering for sin on the cross which atones (covers) or removes our sins so that we can go to heaven without having to pay the penalty of sin which is eternal death i.e no heaven but straight to hell for an eternity.

Eternity is a long time to be wrong and there is no comeback so think carefully and choose what is right.

Please post in the appropriate section. Thread Moved to Comparitive Religion forum.

Hello Mike,
Allow me to welcome you to Load-Islam.com forums. You seem to be fond of copy-pasting articles from anti-islamic websites, which violates forum rules. Don't get me wrong; you are more than welcome to ask specific questions about Islam, but simply pasting a page full of allegations is a pathetic tactic in debates. Let's deal with these issues one at a time, deal?

Originally Posted by mikeengland

In the Qur’an Muhammad claims only to be a messenger or warner to the people.

Sura 34:28 "And we have not sent you (O Mohammed) except as a giver of glad tidings and a Warner to all people."

Muhammad never claimed that through following him you would go to heaven, in fact when challenged he had this to say about himself not being saved.

Sura 46:9 Say: "I am not an innovation among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."

Unfortunately you have misunderstood these Qur'anic verses (well, technically I can't even say that since these aren't even your words but words of someone else which you have chosen to paste here). Allow me to clarify, by quoting directly from the Qur'an.

In Islam, salvation is given to those who follow the message of God and strive to do righteous deeds. If one follows the path of Muhammad pbuh (which is the same as all the previous Prophets) they will indeed be blessed with victory in this life and in the hereafter. Consider the following verses:

40:51. Verily, We will indeed make victorious Our Messengers and those who believe, both in this worldly life and on the Day when the witnesses will stand forth, (i.e. Day of Resurrection)

39:20. But those who fear Allâh and keep their duty to their Lord (Allâh), for them are built lofty rooms; one above another under which rivers flow (i.e. Paradise). (This is) the Promise of Allâh: and Allâh does not fail in (His) Promise.

We now see that the claim that Muslims are not promised salvation is a lie; Allah has explicitly promised to reward those who are faitful and work righteous deeds with paradise.

As for the verse you quoted, it is only emphasizing that the Prophet's knowledge of the unseen was only what had been revealed to him from God (cf. Ma'ariful Qur'an vol. 7, p. 788). In fact Imam Ibn Jarir At-Tabari relates the interpretation of Al-Hasan Al-Basri for the verse as, “What will happen to all of us in this world”

Muhammad refused to perform any miracles as he could not!

Sura 29:50 And they say, `Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, `The Signs are with ALLAH, and I am but a plain warner,'

Reminds me of what Prophet Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible.

Matthew 12:39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

Mark 8:12 But He sighed deeply in His spirit, and said, “Why does this generation seek a sign? Assuredly, I say to you, no sign shall be given to this generation.”

Yet we know that both Prophet Muhammad pbuh and Prophet Jesus pbuh performed miracles. The answer to this apparent conflict is that they refused to use miracles in response to their people's request for a sign; for indeed people are not guided by miracles but by striving towards God.

Muhammad used the Bible to make a point about his teaching, this very claim gives evidence by Muhammad of the truth of the Bible.

Sura 46:10 Say: "See ye? If (this teaching) be from Allah, and ye reject it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity (with earlier scripture), and has believed while ye are arrogant, (how unjust ye are!) truly, Allah guides not a people unjust."

You have misunderstood the Islamic position on previous scriptures. We believe that the revelations that were originally sent to Prophet Jesus and Prophet Moses were indeed the truth, but what has been preserved today is a corrupted altered form, which may contain the words of God, but it also contains the words of human beings.

In Islam everyone must go to hell first including Muslims the Qur’an declares it!

Nonsense! Bring your proof (or ask the source from which you plagiarized from to bring his proof).

Sura 19:66-69. Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"

But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?

So, by thy Lord, without doubt, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Satans (with them); then shall We bring them forth on their knees round about Hell;

Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (Allah) Most Gracious.

Sura 19:71 mentioned not one will pass over it i.e all Muslims must enter hell;

71. Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.

It says "PASS OVER IT" not "enter it" ! Muslims believe that we will have to cross the bridge over hell-fire (siraat) to enter paradise.

Muhammad acknowledged in the Qur’an that he is a sinner and asks forgiveness for his sins both past, present and future!

Sura 48:2 That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfill His favor to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way

A couple of points to note here:
1. The belief of the infallibility of the Prophets means that they cannot commit sin but are still susceptible to minor mistakes, like all human beings. See here for more info:
http://www.islamicboard.com/75709-post2.html ([Aqeedah] Was Rasûlullâh sall'Allâhu 'alayhi wa salam perfect?)
2. Maghfirah (forgiveness) implies protection in Islam, as it is derived from the same root as a shielding helmet.
3. Tauba (repentence) in Islam is not just for the sinful, it is for everyone, just like one can bathe when they are dirty, but people bathe regularly, dirty or not dirty.

Claims of Jesus of Nazareth !

Jesus Claimed himself sinless which is also mentioned in the Qur’an as a holy/pure son.

Sura 19:19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

The word 'zakiyya' translated here as 'holy' implies purity and innoncence. In verse 18:74 the exact same word is used to refer to a young boy who was killed having done nothing wrong [in the past].

Jesus claimed he was the only way to go to heaven and the only truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (other then Jesus Christ) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

What did Jesus say about Salvation?
Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.” NKJV

Dr. Ali Ataie points out the interesting contradictions between Paul's teachings and those of Jesus himself:

Paul has managed to contradict Jesus in almost every single area of faith and practice. Jesus says that there is no original sin (Mark 9:13-14) while Paul says there is (Rom. 5:12-14).

Jesus says that not ALL of us are unrighteous people (Mark 2:16-17; Matt. 15:24) while Paul says that no one is righteous (Rom. 3:10, 23).

Jesus says that our good works are necessary and meaningful (Matt. 5:16; John 10:24-25) while Paul says they are worthless and unnecessary (Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:6-14).

Jesus exhorts his followers to strictly adhere to the laws and commandments (Mark 10:18-19; Matt. 19:17; Luke 18:20) while Paul calls the law and commandments a “curse” and “bondage” (Gal. 2:16, 3:11, 24; Rom. 2:13).

Jesus says that atonement through sacrifice in not necessary (Mark 12:28-29; Matt. 9:13) while Paul believes that only Jesus' atonement blood sacrifice can save us (Eph 5:2; Gal 3:13; Heb. 9:26).

Yet after all of this, Paul still has the audacity to claim: “Be my followers, as I am a follower of Christ” (1 Cor. 11:1)!

By the way, I would love to have a debate with you on the alleged divinity of Christ, if you think you really know your religion. Let me know, and we'll make a new thread.

Jesus further provided an amazing miracle raising a dead person four days after this person’s death when the dead body would be rotten and full of stench.

John 11:39-44 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

If you're going to use this as evidence of Jesus's divinity, what then of Elisha who preceded this feat by raising a child who was dead for a short time (I Kings 17:22) as well as another who was dead for a long time (II Kings 4:34). And what about the disciples who were also commanded to raise the dead (Matthew 10:8) ?

The Qur’an attests to Jesus being word of God, Kalmatullah and the Spirit of God i.e Ruhh Allah Sura 4:171.

In the Qur'an Jesus is called "Kalimatullah," a word FROM God. The Qur'an is called "Kallamullah," the Word OF God. (Ali Ataie, Voice for Islam)

As for "RuhAllah" the Qur'an actually says that Jesus is a ruhun minhu a soul from God. Before you jump to conclusions, read verse 38:72 where the same phrase is used for Prophet Adam and verse 32:9 where it is used for every human being! Now read verse 66:12 and you will see that it is used the same way for Prophet Jesus pbuh.

As for your flawed conclusion (or technically the source from which you plagiarised), then both Jesus pbuh and Muhammad pbuh had the same message: Worship one God (Matthew 22:37, Qur'an 112:1) and do righteous deeds (Matthew 19:17, Qur'an 2:277). Divinity and atonement were never the teachings of Christ, nor any of the other Prophets.

Please also note that we will remove the other articles that you have plagiarised and pasted on the forum. You are more than welcome to discuss one issue at a time with us, but we will not tolerate cowardly tactics such as copy-pasting numerous pages of allegations.

Regards

Sir, if u r copy and pasting articles, can u plz just summarise them for us next time. I wont lie and say i read ur whole post, only conclusion mostly.

Muhammad offered no way to remove your sins,

As for ur first point: Of course islam gives u a way to get ur sin forgiven. If u actually read the Quran u will find there r dozens of verses mentioning "Allah is the Oft-forgiving, merciful"...Also one verse in 66:8 states "O ye who believe! Turn unto Allah in sincere repentance! It may be that your Lord will remit from you your evil deeds and bring you into Gardens underneath...". So in Islam, its simple, you turn to god with sincere repentance.

you eternal state hangs in the balance i.e you do not go to heaven at all as he made no such promises but simply said you might or might not.?????


Do you want to live your life on a might or might not?????

Well, of course! There is no "god died for ur sin" concept in islam. We have to work hard to please god, and if u do, then Allah almight will give u a place in heaven, god willing. We as muslims believe that following the commandments will get you into heaven, such as praying, charity and so forth. Jesus taught the same thing in: Matthew 19-16-17:
16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

It is Jesus Christ who was the final offering for sin on the cross which atones (covers) or removes our sins so that we can go to heaven without having to pay the penalty of sin which is eternal death i.e no heaven but straight to hell for an eternity.

Well as i said god didnt die for our sins, and btw, no "orignal sin" concept in islam. Allah forgave both adam and eve, therefore god doesn't have to come down to earth and get betrayed and killed when he is begging for help from another part of god to save him.

Acutally bible says Hebrew 9: 22 "Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. ". Well, this is where we differ, in islam god needs no blood to forgive, he forgave adam and eve, he will forgive u without blood

Eternity is a long time to be wrong and there is no comeback so think carefully and choose what is right.

well, if u truly love jesus u cant help being a muslim, coz we even greet and worship like jesus, and we believe jesus is a muslim.

Originally Posted by mikeengland

In the Qur’an Muhammad claims only to be a messenger or warner to the people.

And your point is?

A prophet IS a messenger.

Muhammad offered no way to remove your sins, you eternal state hangs in the balance i.e you do not go to heaven at all as he made no such promises but simply said you might or might not.?????

Do you want to live your life on a might or might not?????

It is Jesus Christ who was the final offering for sin on the cross which atones (covers) or removes our sins so that we can go to heaven without having to pay the penalty of sin which is eternal death i.e no heaven but straight to hell for an eternity.

Eternity is a long time to be wrong and there is no comeback so think carefully and choose what is right.

You suggested a simular logic in the other thread you started (where we are still awaiting your answer by the way ;) ).
I replied to it with something like the following. It's not a matter of wich sounds most pleasing. It's not a matter of certainty over doubt. People don't choose their religion opportunisticly. One judges religions by personal expierence, or by feeling, by belief. Which one sounds right and which one sounds wrong. Not wich one is easyest! Do you erally think easy equals truth? Are the death equal to the living? You want piece of mind? maybe you should join the pastaferians who believe in the big flying spaghettimonster. I do not see the point of it, but they seem to have the veil of opportunistic convienence and piece of mind over their eyes to.

Originally Posted by PRISONERofJOY12

yes but the difference between adam and seth is the fact Jesus contained all the attributes of God... Jesus woke the dead did moses do the same?
moses seperated water with what? a staff...1 cor. 12:12-13
"The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body- whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free - and we were all given the one Spirit to drink."
Ephesians 1:15-18 "He[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created: things in rulers or authorities; all things were created by Him and for Him... And he is the head of the body, the church...

These quotes are New Testament, written by men. To me, religious guidance should come from Allah/God or a Prophet, otherwise anyone can say anything.

There is no, clear, exact, unequivable and unrefutable statement in the Bible, from Jesus, saying that he is God or he is the son of God or he is part of the trinity or that to believe in his death on the cross will bring salvation. So why is it such a major teaching?

Originally Posted by azim

These quotes are New Testament, written by men. To me, religious guidance should come from Allah/God or a Prophet, otherwise anyone can say anything.

There is no, clear, exact, unequivable and unrefutable statement in the Bible, from Jesus, saying that he is God or he is the son of God or he is part of the trinity or that to believe in his death on the cross will bring salvation. So why is it such a major teaching?

what about the qur'an? wasn't written by the hands of man?

Originally Posted by PRISONERofJOY12

what about the qur'an? wasn't written by the hands of man?

..........The Qur'an, as the last revealed book of God, is extant in its original form. Allah Himself guaranteed its preservation. The entire Qur'an was recorded in written form during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on pieces of palm leaves, parchments, bones, and other suitable surfaces. Moreover, there were tens of thousands of his followers who memorized the whole Qur'an, and the Prophet himself used to recite it to the angel Gabriel once a year and twice when he was about to die.

After the Prophet's death, Abu Bakr, the first caliph, oversaw the collection of the Qur'an into one volume by the Prophet's scribe, Zaid Ibn Thabit. This volume remained with Abu Bakr who, when he was about to die, entrusted it to his successor, Umar Ibn al Khattab who, in turn, passed it on to Hafsa, the Prophet's wife. It was from this original copy that Uthman, the third caliph, prepared several other copies and sent them to different Muslim territories.

The Qur'an was preserved so meticulously because it was to be the book of guidance for all humanity forever. Thus it does not address only the Arabs, even though it was revealed in their language. It speaks to man as a human being: "O Man! What has seduced you from your Lord?" The practical nature of the Qur'anic teachings is established by the examples of the Prophet and of pious Muslims throughout history.

The Qur'an instructions are aimed at the general welfare of man and are based on possibilities within his reach. Its wisdom is conclusive in all of its venous dimensions. It does not condemn or torture the flesh, nor does it neglect the soul. It does not humanize God nor does it deify man. Everything is carefully placed where it belongs in the total scheme of creation.

Those scholars who allege that Muhammad wrote the Qur'an claim something that is not humanly possible. Could anyone living in the sixth century CE. utter such scientific truths as the Qur'an contains? Could he describe the evolution of the embryo inside the uterus so accurately that it matches the description given by modern science?

Secondly, is it logical to believe that the Prophet, who, until the age of forty, was known far and wide for his honesty and integrity, began all of a sudden to write a book that is without equal in literary merit and that could not be surpassed by the whole legion of the Arab poets and orators of the highest caliber?

And lastly, is it justified to say that Muhammad (PBUH), who was known to his people as al-Amin (The trustworthy) and who is still admired by non-Muslim scholars for his honesty and integrity, came forth with a false claim and on that falsehood trained thousands of individuals of character, integrity, and honesty who were able to establish the best human society that the world has ever known? Surely, any sincere and unbiased searcher of truth will come to believe that the Qur'an is the revealed book of Allah.

Without necessarily agreeing completely with their statements, we would like to quote some of the opinions of important non-Muslim scholars who have studied the Qur'an. Such comments show that the non Muslim world is taking a more serious view of the Qur'an and that it is beginning to appreciate its truth. We appeal to all people who are seeking spiritual truth to study the Qur'an in light of the aforementioned points. Cast your preconceived notions aside and listen to what these people have to say.

From main page of Load-Islam.


Edit:

Futher more

......Even though the prophet, peace be upon him, did not read or write, it was recorded and written down during his life. He had a dozen or so of those who memorized Quran from him, write it down on various mediums, including animal skins (leather), bark and palm leaves. He then rehearsed it with them over and over even up until his passing away. Three of the actual Qurans printed in the time of the companions of Muhammad, peace be upon him, exist today and they are exactly as we do recite them today.

Second, we are pleased to tell you, the Quran was recorded in the hearts and minds of more than 10,000 men and women while the prophet, was still alive. He rehearsed it over and over with his companions day after day and in its entirety from cover to cover, out loud, every Ramadhan (lunar month of Muslim calendar).

Third, you need not be concerned about the honesty and integrity of those people who preserved the Quran in their hearts. The veracity of each and every single one of these people (called companions of the prophet) has been attested to and they were all known for having memorized and related the Quran exactly the same as each other. They totally memorized it just as people do today, from mouth to ear and in the exact manner of recitation. This is in itself, an amazing thing. No other book on earth has ever had such distinction in this area.

Fourth, there is no other book on earth like the Quran. Its style and prose in the Arabic language is unmatched for 14 centuries. The prophecies, predictions, scientific evidences, ease of memorization and ability to comprehend is beyond compare.

Fifth, you safely put your mind to rest on this subject of preservation of the Holy Quran, because of its presence with us even today, throughout the entire world. Today every single living Muslim (over 1 billion) has memorized some portion of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it came in, just as the people memorized it over 1,400 years ago. And amazingly enough, over 9 million men, women and children have the entire Quran in their hearts and can recite it for you from cover to cover.

Allah Himself, has promised to preserve the Quran until the Last Days. And He has.

It is the only book on earth that, if you destroyed every book on earth, we would be able to bring it back exactly as it was, every single letter from cover to cover, by the permission of Allah.

These are facts.

The Quran of today can be easily checked by Muslims anywhere on the earth. And there can be no doubt in the mind of any Muslim whether or not what is being recited here in India is the same as what is being recited in Arabia or Africa or in the USA for that matter.

You are most welcome to review the facts and consider for yourself. The Quran makes claims within itself to its own authenticity:

* "This is the Book (Qur'an) wherein there is no doubt."
*"Have not the unbelievers considered that if it were from other than Allah, it would contain many contradictions?"
* "Allah shall show them the Signs within themselves and on the farthest horizons."
* "If you are in doubt about it, bring a book like it."

Originally Posted by akulion

salam alaikum

Bible can no longer be Quoted as 'truthful' text. And Quran contains enough evidences as to the Truth and only Quran I believe has power to truly open eyes. (and Hadith)

ok tell me what prophecies have been known to become truth in the qur'an?

Originally Posted by PRISONERofJOY12

ok tell me what prophecies have been known to become truth in the qur'an?

http://www.miraclesof*************/index2.html

Knock yourself out.

Grettings....

wow where do we even begin to start

ok ya know what, ill be right back with some inshallah, till then why dont u post some from the bible..

peace

Hey.


check this out too: http://www.answering-christianity.com/sci_quran.htm


Try checking this site for a brief introduction to islam: http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/introduction/index.php

Greetings,

along with bro azim's and bro fi sabilillah *jazakum Allah khair btw*:

http://www.islamicity.com/science/

http://www.islamicmedicine.org/amazing.htm

http://www.science4islam.com/index.aspx?lng=e

http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive...no=1&thelang=E

k if u need anymore just say so

peace

unlike the qur'an the Bible is filled with prophecies that could not have been fulfilled through chance good guessing or deliberate deceit... surprisingl the predictive nature of many Bible passages was once a popular arguement among liberals against the reliability of the Bible.