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    Assalamu alaikum

    Brothers in islam the topic of 'issa alaihi salam is very crucial and I would like to contribute to a better understanding of the true and the real message of 'Issa alaihi salam.
    'Issa alaihi salam said,
    “ But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines made by men.” Matthew15:9
    'Issa[PBUH] had foretold that people will worship him uselessly and believe in man made beliefs.





    Jesus (on whom be peace) in the Holy Qur’an
    The Qur’an tells us a lot of wonderful things about Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur’an love Jesus, honour him, and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Jesus, on whom be peace.
    The Qur’an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still a baby, that he healed the leper by God’s leave, and that he raised the dead by God’s leave.
    What then is the significance of these miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates his power to create in any way. God created everyone we know from a man and a woman But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, but not a woman. And, finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman, but not a man.
    All his miracles were performed by God’s leave and Jesus wasn’t acting on his behalf because, among other things, He is recorded to have said in the Gospel according to John, “I can do nothing on my own authority”(5:30)
    What did Jesus teach? The Qur’an tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was taught by previous Prophets from God – That we must worship only the one true God. Few people, today, know that Abraham was sent by God to shun the three Head-God religion[ the Sun-God, the moon-God the begotten son of the Sun-God(the ruler of Babylon) and the virgin( from the constellation the virgin!) the mother of heavens(the mother and wife of Nimrod)] established on earth by Nimrod the ruler of Babylon 4200 years ago(known, also, by Baal,Bul, Mithra,etc). Moreover, hundreds of years later on, Moses was sent to smash down the new three Head-God religion[Osiris(the Sun-God),Isis(the virgin)and Horus(the one eye, which is found today everywhere, or the begotten son)].
    In 312 CE, through constantine’s ‘conversion’,the Roman catholic church was born and Church and State became ONE. In reality, the Egyptian priesthood running the Roman empire relaunched themselves as the Church and made out that they represented Jesus on earth. The pagan state-religion was renamed Christianity and new deity was added. So, they implemented the main beliefs of the Pharaohs (Nimrod legacy) and they took on the teachings of Jesus in order that their civilisation survive: that’s why many things have been distorted or falsified!. Anyway, the word ‘Christianity’ doesn’t exist in the Bible and it has never been used prior to the date mentioned above.
    1- The birthday of Nimrod or Mithra:It is well known that the 25th of December(solstice of winter) has to do with astronomy and it is rather the birthday of the pagan ruler of Babylon or the begotten son of the sun-God because Jesus according to the Jewish Rabbis and Christian clergy was born in April. However, according to Muslim scholars, Jesus was born, the most likely in summer because the Qur’an specifies that Jesus talked to his Mum Mary, in the cradle, to touch the tree in order to get dates. The birthday of Mithras on the twenty-fifth of December became the celebration of Christ’s birth in the time of Archbishop Gennadius, who was the patriarch of Constantinople(458-471CE), a certain painter made an icon, at the instigation of a pagan, portraying Christ in the likeness of Zeus(pagan planet Jupiter).
    2- The name of Jesus: The name of Christ is normally Yeshuah or 'Yassu' and not even Joshuah because the letter ‘J’ doesn’t exist in Hebrew language ( It can be seen at www.aol40.com/name_of_jesus.htm ). Moreover, in the Qur’aan, he is called Issa which is the same as in the welsh language. The name ‘Jesus’ is to do with the son of Ja-Zeus the Sun-God, and is alien to the Hebrew name of God.
    3- The Sun-God day:In 321 CE, Constantinople made the first day of the week a holiday, he called it ‘the venerable day of the Sun’.
    Anyway, all the days of the week in Roman languages are still designated by pagan planets’names as they were known in Rome two thousand years ago:
    Sunday(Sun-God day) – Monday(Moon-God day or Nimrod day) –Tuesday(Mardi, Mars) – Wednesday(Mercredi, Mercury) – Thursday(Jeudi, Jupiter or Zeus) – Friday(Vendredi, Venus) – Saturday(Saturn).
    4- The Trinity or three Head-God religion(man made):Paul or Saul (6BC – 67CE) is the Jewish imposter who betrayed the sincere disciples of Yushua(Jesus Pbuh)[According to Islamic tradition these are considered to be the saved sect among the followers of Jesus(Pbuh). Therefore, they were Muslims]. These sincere followers were persecuted and burnt at the stake by the Roman Empire instigated by Paul because they knew that he took the teachings of Jesus in a corrupted form and mixed them up with pagan rituals, including solar worship or the trinity[the new three Head-Gods are: the Father, the Holy Ghost and the Begotten son of God.]. When Saul realised that he was failing he made up a story in 33 CE claiming that he had a vision in which Prophet Yushua or Issa(Arabic and welsh)[Jesus] spoke to him. This is a fabrication since the only Prophet prophecised to come in the Bible is the Prophet Muhammad(Pbuh) (can be seen at www.aol40.com/predict.htm).
    5- Other Beliefs:All the teachings such as images of pagan deities, sonship of Jesus, atonement and original sin, crucifixion, easter, resurrection, Holy communion, celibacy, baptism, cross, eating swine flesh,etc, adopted in Christianity or Paulianity are a legacy from Nimrod and the Pharoah.
    Finally to refute this conspiracy some Quranic teachings can be compared with the Bible wherein we find that the disciples knew Jesus as servant of the one true God. The Qur’an tells us that some Israelites conspired to kill him but Allaah raised him to himself. Allaah will cause to the Messiah Jesus who is a word and a spirit from him(swt) to descend again to sort out the Dajjal (Anti-Christ or imposter : Jewish origine,crippled, red complexion, one-eyed) and implement the Holy Qur’an on earth for forty years.


    Jesus (on whom be peace) in the Bible.- No basis in the old testament for Trinity or “God-Incarnate”
    - No conclusive uncontradicted statement by Yushuah(Jesus) in the new testament claiming to be God (many statements are allegorical).
    - While He was called many times son of man and son of God, not once was He called God the son!
    I – Some examples of claimed divinity:
    1) I and the Father are one(John 10:30): Oneness in purpose, not in essence(John 17:11, 20:23)
    2) Seeing Him is like seeing the Father (Jn 14:9): Seeing means knowing, as God can’t be seen (Exodus.33:20, Jn.I:18, 5:37).
    3) Accepted worship (Mk 14:33): worship means also intense love (worship of money…)Jesus himself did worship God(Luke 5:16).
    4) Was called Son of God: So was Adam(Luke 3:38), Jacob(Exodus 4:22), Solomon(I Chron.22:10).David was called the begotten son of God(Ps 2:7,etc. ‘Son of God’ means rather ‘servant of God’ because everybody in the Bible is called son of God.
    5) Called Savior: So was Jeho’ahaz (II KINGS 13:5). Used in plural(Obad. Verse21,and Nehem 9:27).
    6) Was called Lord: Term does not mean necessarily God. Used in the N.T to mean “teacher” or “master”.
    7) Was filled with the Holy Spirit: So was John the Baptist(Luke 1:15), also Barnabas (acts 11:24)
    8) On the other hand, Jesus did nothing and spoke nothing on his own authority(Matt 20:23, Jn 14:10, etc.).
    9) Was tempted (Matt 4:1-11): But God cannot be tempted(James 1:13).
    10) Prayed to God and made distinction between Him and the Father (M, 14:32. Lk.5:16, Matt23:8-10, 27:46).
    11) Did not accept to be called Good and deffered to God(Mk. 10:18).
    12) He denied the knowledge of the unseen(everything) (Mk. 13:32, Matt24:36).
    13) His miracles can’t be used to claim divinity [ cast out devils : so did others(Matt. 7.22, Lk. 11:19); born without a father: so did Eve without a mother; brought the dead to life: so did others(I Kings17:22, Ezek 37:1-14).
    All Prophets produced specific miracles to challenge the people of their time.

    II – Jesus according to Jesus:1) Anyone can call God “Father” according to the Bible : …my father and your father(John 20:17 RSV 1952, Romans 8:15 KJV 1611, Mattehew 23:1-9 NIV 1984).2) He made it clear that he is not God (Mark 10:18).
    3) He depends on God for authority: God depends on no one(John 5:30, 14:31 RSV, 8:28 RSV).
    4) He is not equal to “The Father” (John 14:28).
    5) He didn’t raise himself up but God raised him up(Acts 2:24).
    6) Jesus did not know the tree had no fruit (Mark 11:12-13).7) He referred to as Servant of God (Matthew 12:28, Acts 3:13, Acts 4:27).8) It was God the real worker of miracles, not Jesus (Acts 2:22 KJV)
    9) Jesus said, “..,Hear, O Israel: our God is one Lord.” ( Mark 12:29)
    10) “ For there is one God , and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”( I Timothy 2:5 )
    11) “…and there is none other God but one.” ( I Corinthians 8:4). This can be used to refute the verse “In the beginning was the word” John 1:1
    12) “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines made by men.” Matthew 15:9. Jesus has foretold that people will worship him uselessly.

    III – Conclusion:
    1) The old testament warns against describing creatures with Godly qualities. (I Corinthians 8:4)
    2) Jesus confirmed the same and called the “Father” : “My God” (John :20:17).
    3) Today, only through the final revelation for the whole of mankind (the Qur’aan) can confusion be removed and pure monotheism be restored : God the Almighty Allaah has over a hundred beautiful names and attributes which make him a perfect Creator. It is essential to note that describing God with human qualities and vice-versa is an insult or a blasphemy.
    Many people ignore that the Quran was revealed to confirm the titles of Jesus and to preserve his dignity and honour and as a matter of fact there is a whole chapter in the Qur’an entitled ‘Mary’.
    “ O people of the scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messaiah Issa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and his word (Be! – and he was) which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit created by him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers, Say not: “Three(trinity) Cease it is better for you. Allaah is only one God, glory be to him above having a son. To him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allaah is all-sufficient as Defendant” Quran 4:171

    Brothers in islam it would be a good Idea if we compare the islamic teachings in regards 'Issa alaihi salam with the bible, the dead sea scrolls, and the cuneiform tables found by German excavators in 1943.

    Allaah knows best

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    Great article bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhahabi
    Assalamu alaikum

    Brothers in islam the topic of 'issa alaihi salam is very crucial and I would like to contribute to a better understanding of the true and the real message of 'Issa alaihi salam.
    'Issa alaihi salam said,
    “ But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines made by men.” Matthew15:9
    'Issa[PBUH] had foretold that people will worship him uselessly and believe in man made beliefs.

    Matthew 15:3-9 (New International Version)
    New International Version (NIV)
    Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

    1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2“Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!”
    3Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’[b] 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ 6he is not to ‘honor his father[c]’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8“ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me. 9They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are but rules taught by men.’[d]”

    10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ ”

    Isaiah 29:13 (New International Version)
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    13 The Lord says:

    "These people come near to me with their mouth
    and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
    Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men


    Firstly Jesus isnt Prophesying anything, its Isaiah he is quoting.
    Jesus is just saying, you say you respect your parents,
    Then you withhold from your parents, and say, we give to God.
    However, you are not doing the right thing.

    Read the words about clean and unclean, you might learn something form them

    http://forums.understanding-islam.or...0799#post20799
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    Dhahabi, please research before you post.

    Your post is conjecture and really, not even worth refuting, since it is copy pasted from websites, that quote out of context.

    Like the quotes you have posted above.

    There is no inconsistency in the trinitarian belief.

    Join us here if you have something to say, because i cannot post in 2 places.

    http://forums.understanding-islam.or...0799#post20799

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    Firstly Jesus isnt Prophesying anything, its Isaiah he is quoting.
    Jesus is just saying, you say you respect your parents,
    Then you withhold from your parents, and say, we give to God.
    However, you are not doing the right thing.

    Read the words about clean and unclean, you might learn something form them
    Is it me or is Hawk clutchin' at straws. A grossly mis-interpretated statement you got there my friend in order to delude us that what you're statin' must be the correct one.

    Now the passage you quoted *Isaiah 29:13) is referrin' to Isaiah attackin' the hypocrites 'cause "their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men". Jesus re-quotes the same passage two times (One in Matthew, and one in Mark) in his attack upon the traditions of the Pharisees and teachers of the Law. Paul attacks those who submit to ethical rules that are not pre-defined by God (see Col. 2:20-23, Rom. 14:1 and Cor. 8–10 Proverbs 1:7; 9:10; 15:33, Ecclesiastes 12:13ff,Isaiah 33:6, Jeremiah 7:24; 11:8; 13:10,16:12; 18:12; 23:17; 1 Cor. 1:18-2:16; 3:18-23)
    Let me finish the passages of Mark that Jesus re-quotes:

    7:7 Their worship of me is empty, because they teach human rules as doctrines.'

    7:8 You abandon the commandment of God and hold to human tradition."

    7:9 Then he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your own tradition!

    7:10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and 'Whoever curses his father or mother must certainly be put to death.'

    Why don't you finish the discussion here since you piqued my interest by presentin' odd interpretations.

    Also - thread is moved to Comparative Religion sub-forum

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    This is a beautiful quote by one of our beloved prophets jesus (peace and blessing be upon him) confirming that men would worship him through false and corrupted doctrines


    "Lo! the Hour is surely coming, there is no doubt thereof; yet most of mankind believe not." (Al-Ghafir:59)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kadafi

    Now the passage you quoted *Isaiah 29:13) is referrin' to Isaiah attackin' the hypocrites 'cause "their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men". Jesus re-quotes the same passage two times (One in Matthew, and one in Mark) in his attack upon the traditions of the Pharisees and teachers of the Law. Paul attacks those who submit to ethical rules that are not pre-defined by God (see Col. 2:20-23, Rom. 14:1 and Cor. 8–10 Proverbs 1:7; 9:10; 15:33, Ecclesiastes 12:13ff,Isaiah 33:6, Jeremiah 7:24; 11:8; 13:10,16:12; 18:12; 23:17; 1 Cor. 1:18-2:16; 3:18-23)
    Let me finish the passages of Mark that Jesus re-quotes:

    7:7 Their worship of me is empty, because they teach human rules as doctrines.'

    7:8 You abandon the commandment of God and hold to human tradition."

    7:9 Then he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your own tradition!

    7:10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and 'Whoever curses his father or mother must certainly be put to death.'

    Why don't you finish the discussion here since you piqued my interest by presentin' odd interpretations.

    Also - thread is moved to Comparative Religion sub-forum
    5So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with ‘unclean’ hands?”

    6He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me. 7They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are but rules taught by men.’[b] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”

    9And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’[e] 11But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

    14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15Nothing outside a man can make him ‘unclean’ by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him ‘unclean.’ ”[f]


    What is Jesus talking about here?

    He isnt talking about the christians, changing their beliefs.

    He is saying you "nullify" the word of God, handed down to you, through your actions, It doesnt say anything about worshipping Him, out of context.

    "They worship me in vain"

    Means
    -not dont worship me

    but

    of what use is that worship, if your actions are bad!!!

    Can you see, he says ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.

    meaning, they say I am their God, however their intentions (hearts)are distant from me.
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    5So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with ‘unclean’ hands?”

    6He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me. 7They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are but rules taught by men.’[b] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”

    9And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’[e] 11But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

    14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15Nothing outside a man can make him ‘unclean’ by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him ‘unclean.’ ”[f]


    What is Jesus talking about here?

    He isnt talking about the christians, changing their beliefs.

    He is saying you "nullify" the word of God, handed down to you, through your actions, It doesnt say anything about worshipping Him, out of context.

    "They worship me in vain"

    Means
    -not dont worship me

    but

    of what use is that worship, if your actions are bad!!!

    Can you see, he says ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.

    meaning, they say I am their God, however their intentions (hearts)are distant from me.
    Deceive methods of interpretations. I find it odd that you disregard the real meanin' of the verses in Mark, and the verses of Paul who attacked those who submitted to the ethical rules that are not pre-defined by God.

    Jesus is givin' a example of THOSE who alter their beliefs. He attacked the Pharisees that they changed the commandments of God but that same context can applied to the present-day Christians. Bear in mind that accordin' to Christianity, the present-day Bible is a moral guide for Christians. Historical episodes that are mentioned in the Bible should be classified as a moral lesson.

    You stated:
    Can you see, he says ‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.

    meaning, they say I am their God, however their intentions (hearts)are distant from me.

    You still didn't grasp the concept that I'm tryin' to elucidate. Present-day Christians are followin' doctrines that are alien to the real Christianity. For example, Catholics 'worship' Mary (three types of worship).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kadafi
    Deceive methods of interpretations. I find it odd that you disregard the real meanin' of the verses in Mark, and the verses of Paul who attacked those who submitted to the ethical rules that are not pre-defined by God.
    Dont be silly.

    I gave you the proper interpretation of the verse.
    Its a waste of time to dialogue with people like you because you dont want to see what Christianity is really all about.

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    Or you cant provide an answer


    "Lo! the Hour is surely coming, there is no doubt thereof; yet most of mankind believe not." (Al-Ghafir:59)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amir
    Or you cant provide an answer
    An answer to what?

    I told you your interpreatation is incorrect.

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    [QUOTE=hawk]Dhahabi, please research before you post.

    Your post is conjecture and really, not even worth refuting, since it is copy pasted from websites, that quote out of context.

    Like the quotes you have posted above.

    There is no inconsistency in the trinitarian belief.


    salaamah

    Brother in islam it is not copy pasted from websites. It took me ages to gather the information in it. It is true that I refered to many websites such as the Life of Nimrod that few people knw today.

    Below is the end of my own research:


    Jesus(on whom be peace) according to the Gospel of Barnabas ( translated early 20th century) in comparison to the Dead Sea scrolls (found in 1947) ,the Qur’aan and the Bible
    The Gospel of Barnabas is the true Gospel for it was written by Barnabas an eye witness and an apostle of Yushuah(Jesus) whereas the four Gospels according respectively to Luke, Matthew, Mark and John whose surnames are unkown, were written decades after Jesus left. In order to prove its authenticity someone can go to the Hofbibliothek in Vienna for there it has rested since 1738 and the manuscript is in Italian. I will quote you in a concise manner many conclusive points from the last chapters of the book.

    C 14 - Jesus chooseth twelve apostles : Andrew and Peter his brother, fisherman, Barnabas who wrote this, with Matthew the publican; John and James, sons of Zebedee; Thaddaeus and Judas; Bartholomew and Philip; James, and Judas Iscariot the traitor.

    C 205 - He went (Judas) to find the high priest, who assembled in council of priests, scribes, and Pharisees; to whom Judas spake saying: “What will ye give me, and I will betray into your hands Jesus, who would fain make himself king of Israel”. They promised to give him thirty pieces of Gold.
    C 206 - Whereupon the High priest drew near , saying: “Tell me, O Jesus, hast thou forgotten all that thou didst confess, that thou art not God, nor son of God, nor even the Messiah? (In comparison to the Dead Sea Scrolls the Messiah here means the ‘kingly Messiah’ which the Jews were waiting for, but Jesus was the ‘priestly’ Messiah who came to fulfil the torah.). Jesus answered: “…,I have not forgotten; for this my confession before God on judgement day…”
    C 207 – Jesus answered : “ Wherefore, for this cause the devil stirreth up the world against me (for he is against Nimrodism), because I am not of this world (negating the title ‘kingly’ Messiah otherwise Jesus is called the Messiah son of Mary even in the Qur’an), but I seek that God may be Glorified (worshipped alone).”
    C 208 – The High priest asked: “ who was this son of Abraham ?” Jesus answered: “…Verily I say, the son of Abraham was Ishmael , from whom must be descended the Messiah promised to Abraham ( alluding to Muhammad or the ‘kingly’ Messiah as mentioned earlier)”. Nicodemus counselled Jesus to tarry out of Jerusalem for the Pharisees wanted to slay him (they accused him of blasphemy).
    C 213 – Jesus said, “ Verily I say unto you that one of you shall betray me (fulfilment of prophecy Psalm
    7:15)….He shall fall into the pit which he had prepared for others.” Then, he said to Judas: “Do quickly that which thou must do.”
    C 214 – Jesus retired into the garden to pray, bowing his knees and prostrating himself upon his face (Islamic way to pray). Judas went to the high priest and told him about the place where Jesus was.
    C 215 – When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was four angels came and took Jesus out by the window and placed him in the third heaven in the company of angels. When Judas entered before all into the chamber whence Jesus had been taken up and the disciples were sleeping, God the Almighty changed him in speech and in face to be like Jesus.(The rest of the story is similar to the four Gospels : The only difference resides in considering that it was Judas who got spat on, humiliated and crucified. This corroborates the verse in the Quran 4:157 with regards Jesus “They slew him not , nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them.”C 217 – The Governor Pilate marvelled when Judas told him that Jesus transform him with his magic. Pilate told to the Pharisees to take him to be judged by Herod (a gentile) the king of Galilee who sent him back to Pilate. Even though Judas was scourged, he didn’t die for God reserved him for the cross. The scribes and the Pharisees condemened two robbers with him to the death of the cross ( working it out to get a similar story compared to Babylonian passion play).

    C 218 – Some weak disciples went by night and stole the body of Judas and hid it, spreading a report that Jesus was risen again (another fabrication about resurrection!)
    C 219 – After hearing the news, the Virgin returned to Jerusalem with him who writeth (Barnabas),James
    and John. So, the angels that were guardians of Mary ascended to recount to Jesus in the third heaven.
    Wherefore Jesus prayed God to give him power to see his mother and his disciples. Then God The Almighty commanded his four favourite angels to bear Jesus into his mother’s house, and keep watch over him for three days continually (fulfilment of prophecy Matthew 12:40).

    Among others, Jesus met his mum with her two sisters, and Martha and Mary Magdalene and Lazarus, and him who writeth, and John and James and Peter.
    C 220 – Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how God Exalted be He had transformed Judas, that he might suffer the punishment to which he had sold another. Jesus said to Barnabas: “… I will be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross until the advent of Muhammad who shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God’s law”
    C 221 – And Jesus turned himself to Barnabas, and said, “…thou write my gospel in like manner that which hath befallen Judas, in order that the faithful may be undeceived,…” The third day Jesus said, “ Go to the Mount of Olives with my mother, for there will I ascend again unto heaven,…” “For God hath granted me to live almost unto the end of the world” And his prayer ended, he embraced his mother, saying: ‘Peace be unto thee, my mother, rest thou in God who created thou and me’. Then, he turned to his disciples, saying: ‘May God’s grace and mercy be with you’ Then before their eyes the four angels carried him up to heaven.
    C 222 – After Jesus had departed, the truth hated, of Satan, was prosecuted, as it always is, by falsehood.
    For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we, as much as I have written , that preach we to those who fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God’s Judgement. Amen.


    Alleged crucifixion of Jesus (on whom be peace)
    Let me give you a quick summary of many points from the Bible proving that Jesus was not killed on the cross even if we consider it was him the one put upon the cross for the unknown writers of the gospels believed Judas (transformed by God the Almighty to be Jesus in face and speech) to be really Jesus. However, it is impossible to think that Jesus could have been crucified for it discredits his prophethood if we refer to the following verses from the Bible:
    “ And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be put to death, and thou hang him on , his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shall surely bury him that same day; for he who is hanged [on a tree] is accursed by God [for being worthy of such death ], that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.” Deuteronomy 21: 22-23 See also Hosea 6:6 and Matthew 12 : 7
    The Jews claimed they killed him to prove he was a false prophet which they still believe because he refused to go along with their ‘Nimrodism’ and the man who intoduced ‘sacrifice’ or ‘atonement’ as a belief is Paul (Saul the Jew): He abolished the Torah [ Acts 13:39 ] whereas Jesus came to fulfil the Torah (‘priestly’ Messiah) [Matthew 23 : 2-3]

    A – Regarding Judas the traitor who has been taken for Jesus by the authors of the gospels ( In the following verses I would use the name of Judas the traitor instead of the name of Jesus [PBUH]):

    1. Pilate knew that Judas was not guilty [ b ecause he told him that Jesus changed him with magic which is a good reason to try to keep him alive. However, Pilate let him down because he was given a bribery] John 13:38
    2. Judas was probably alive on the cross because he was fastened only three hours(no one dies for such short time).
    3. Immediately came there out blood and water which was a sign that Judas (scourged) was alive.
    4. Dr Primrose testified that the “water and blood” was a sure sign that Judas was alive!
    5. Judas was possibly alive because his two “crossmates” were alive. John 19:32
    6. Encyclopedia Biblica under article “cross”-column 960, says : “when the spear was thrust Judas was alive”.
    7. Judas was possibly still alive during the earthquake and darkening of the sun(within3hours)
    8. The Jews suspected that he had escaped death on the cross – that he was alive. Matthew 27:62-64
    9. Pilate “marvels” to hear that Judas was dead and suspected that he was alive. Mark 15:44
    10. Stone and “winding sheets” had to be removed necessary only if Judas was alive.[ all these statements declaring Judas (believed to be Jesus) to be alive is an effort to classically condition people to accept the Babylonian passion play !] John 20:1
    11. German scientists who checked the ‘shroud of Turin’ affirmed that his heart was still functioning.
    12. The sepulchre was a big roomy chamber close at hand [ Some weak disciples went by night and stole the body of Judas who the most likely died in the sepulchre in order to proclaim the alleged resurrection of Jesus ]

    B – Regarding Jesus [PBUH] as stated being alive in the bible :1. Jesus has worked out a strategy of defence to remain alive. Luke 22:36
    2. He beseeched God the Almighty to keep him alive. Matthew 26:39
    3. God accepted his prayers to keep him alive. Hebrew 5:7
    4. Pilate’s wife dreamt that Jesus won’t be harmed. Matt 27:19
    5. An angel was promising him that God will save him alive [ four angels took him to third heaven] Luke 22:43
    6. He was ever in disguise which necessary only if he was alive (not resurrected) [He was brought back to the earth from heaven and four angels were watching him for three days] John 21:4
    7. Forbade Mary Magdalene to touch him because he was alive. John 20:17
    8. “Not yet ascended unto my father” which means “ I am not dead” [During the three days] John 20 : 17
    9. Mary Magdalene wasn’t afraid because she saw Jesus alive John 20:16
    10.The disciples knew the “crucifiction” from hearsay, therefore they couldn’t believe Jesus was alive
    11. He ate food again and again which is necessary only if he was alive! Luke 24:43
    12. He never showed himself to his enemies after he had escaped death [ back from heaven]. So, He was alive
    13. He took only short trips because he wasn’t resurrected, nor spiritualised, but alive!
    14. Some men testified (around the tomb): “Why seek ye the living among the dead” [ The body of Judas had been already taken from the sepulchre and those who work from the shadows to make Nimrodism prevail on earth had already spread the news that Jesus was risen again while Jesus was still in heaven]
    Luke 24 : 4-5

    15. The angels didn’t say he was resurrected but said he was alive. Luke 24:23
    16. Mary Magdalene testified to the disciples she didn’t see a ghost or a spirit but the Master alive. Mark 16:11
    17. Jesus himself foretold that his miracle will be the miracle of Jonah : “ For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” [As it was mentioned in chapter 219 of the gospel of Barnabas the ‘heart of the earth’ means the most likely the holy land in the middle east and not the sepulchre or the grave for he was in the third heaven : He definitely spent three days and three nights in Jerusalem and then ascended to heaven.] Matthew 12:40
    The Babylonian passion play: A conspiracy against Jesus

    As proved previously the crucifixion should rather be called cruci-fiction. If someone refers to the January 1922 edition of “Quest” which describes the tablets belonging to the cuneiform documents which were discovered by German excavators in 1903 at Kalah Shargat, the site of the ancient Assur ( ex Babylon) formed in the 9th century BC, he would be astonished by the fact that the story of Nimrod (the ruler of Babylon : Bel or Baal) and the Christian passion story are one and the same.



    The alleged beliefs attributed wrongfully to Jesus (on whom be peace)

    1 – Atonement, original sin:
    Nimrod used to consider the act of production of children as a ‘ call of the sinful flesh’. Therefore, according to him, every child was born out of a “sinful” act between the parents, hence everyone has been born “sinful”!
    Moreover, the pagan Nimrod (4200yers) declared himself as “sinless” and infallible (to make people think backwards and do any crime and get away with it) because his mother claimed that she conceived him without any male intervention, that’s why he has chosen to be called the begotten son of God or God incarnate.
    Similarly, the doctrine of atonement adopted by the Church three centuries after Jesus left the earth, contradicts both the Qur’aan and the Bible. On the one hand, according to Islamic texts, every child is born pure and sinless with Islamic monotheism and his parents will corrupt him in the future and if he dies before the age of puberty he will be in paradise because God the Almighty is Just. So, Adam and Eve were responsible for their own sin, which have been forgiven by God. On the other hand, redemption of sin through the cruci-fiction (another Nimrod’s legacy) is not Jesus teaching:
    - “ The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither the children be….” Jeremiah 31:30
    - “ But everyone will die for his own iniquity…” Ezekiel 18:20
    - “..For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged…” Matthew 7:1and 2
    - “… everyman will receive his own reward according to his own labour…” I Corinthians 3:8
    Consequently, anyone can conclude the following:
    - Jesus was not crucified (he didn’t die on the cross) nor was he resurrected.
    - It is nonsensical to believe that a God commits a suicide or to entertain that God dies (we seek refuge).
    - Why should we be held responsible for the sin of Adam and Eve which has been already forgiven?
    - How can human beings be condemned before they do anything ?.

    2 – The sign of the Cross

    Nimrod won the title “Tam-Muz” or “Fire,the perfector” when he threw Abraham into the fire. The initial letter “Tau” of “Tam-Muz” was written in Hebrew script as an upright sign of the cross. So, the sign of the cross was the initial letter of Nimrod or “Tammuz” and it has nothing to do with any Prophet of God. By 70 BC a cross has been discovered in Ireland which used to represent Mithraism or Nimrodism : It was already preached that the divine son born (Mithra or Nimrod) of the virgin mother who had come to save sinners had been killed on a cross. Therefore, the symbol of the cross was here in the west long centuries (539 BC) before Christianity ever arrived. The sign of the cross was used as a sacred symbol to ward off evil because Nimrod preached that he would be raised from the dead to the position of “lamb of heaven” when the sun crossed the equator making the sign of the cross at the spring equinox. Encyclopedia Americana 1929/v8/p238 –Crabb’s Mythology/p163 – etc.

    3 - Easter
    Normally, Easter varies from around the 21st March up to the 19th of April, as it follows the sun’s cycle (Collins, table of movable feasts). The followers of Nimrod used to celebrate the spring equinox (Easter) because according to them Nimrod was conceived in the womb of his mother nine months before the 25th of December.
    On the other hand, the alleged resurrection of Jesus on Sunday morning contradicts the prediction of Jesus who said that he will remain three days in the heart of the earth. Otherwise, the so-called Sunday morning should rather have been a Monday evening. This contradiction proves that Jesus didn’t resurrect but resuscitated!

    3 - Baptism
    Nimrod preached that he was initiated to be baptised from the sacred fount of Euphrates and Tigris : According to him these sacred waters had the power of removing instantly all the dirty evil deeds of a person and he would become immediately clean and pure regardless how bad and heinous are the sins! This form of purification has been prevalent among millions of Hindus (three head-God religion or trinity : Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva) and others throughout the world 2000 years before the coming of Jesus.

    4 – Celibacy
    Nimrod won the title “sacred heart” or “Baal” (chaldean) for teaching to keep the heart pure from worldly marriage and observe celibacy which is against the teaching of all prophets of God. In reality his aim was to avoid the birth of Abraham because his fortune tellers interpret one of his dreams as follows : A child is on the way to be born who will challenge him and cause him a violent death. So, even though his people observed celibacy for nearly two years Abraham was the only child to be born!
    5 - The swine flesh
    To express his hate against this person ( the Prophet Abraham PBUH) who would be the cause of his death by violence, Nimrod used to abuse him as a swine. Accordingly, to express his revenge in advance against this “would-be-killer” he and his followers enjoy eating swine flesh at all their feasts!
    According to the Bible as well as to the Quran, eating pork has never been the habit of any prophet of God.
    “ And the swine, he is unclean to you. Of the flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you” Leviticus 11:7-8 See also Deutronomy 14:8
    In addition to bacteria , worms (tapeworm,the trichina roudworm, etc.), pork is the main carrier of the following germs and parasites wich can cause important deseases: tapeworms, hookworms, faciolopsis Buski, paragonimus, Clonorchis sinesis, and Erysipelothrix Rhusiophatiae)
    Conclusion:
    Many people today ignore the fact that the true story of the long awaited Messiah (Jesus or Yushuah or Issa) [PBUH], to be born of a virgin as a sign to all human beings which is the will of God the Almighty to enable them to repent from previous paganism (The mother of Nimrod was a ***** for marrying her own son whereas Mary was a real virgin and a pious woman), was a currency long before his arrival. So by the time the Messiah did appear, they wanted him to be what he was not (He declared himself to be the servant of God). Then, when they couldn’t get him to go along with their earlier Nimrodism or Godhood; they tried to kill him.

    Can you tell me your opinion on the above article please? [ I know you know better than me]. Thanks
    regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhahabi

    Can you tell me your opinion on the above article please? [ I know you know better than me]. Thanks
    regards,
    Ok, its junk Dhahabi, give up these farfetched theories.

    Its like the theory that it was the CIA that blew up the worldtrade centre buildings alongwith the Jews

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    [QUOTE=Dhahabi]
    Quote Originally Posted by hawk
    Dhahabi, please research before you post.

    Your post is conjecture and really, not even worth refuting, since it is copy pasted from websites, that quote out of context.

    Like the quotes you have posted above.

    There is no inconsistency in the trinitarian belief.


    salaamah

    Brother in islam it is not copy pasted from websites. It took me ages to gather the information in it. It is true that I refered to many websites such as the Life of Nimrod that few people knw today.

    Below is the end of my own research:


    Jesus(on whom be peace) according to the Gospel of Barnabas ( translated early 20th century) in comparison to the Dead Sea scrolls (found in 1947) ,the Qur’aan and the Bible
    The Gospel of Barnabas is the true Gospel for it was written by Barnabas an eye witness and an apostle of Yushuah(Jesus) whereas the four Gospels according respectively to Luke, Matthew, Mark and John whose surnames are unkown, were written decades after Jesus left. In order to prove its authenticity someone can go to the Hofbibliothek in Vienna for there it has rested since 1738 and the manuscript is in Italian. I will quote you in a concise manner many conclusive points from the last chapters of the book.

    C 14 - Jesus chooseth twelve apostles : Andrew and Peter his brother, fisherman, Barnabas who wrote this, with Matthew the publican; John and James, sons of Zebedee; Thaddaeus and Judas; Bartholomew and Philip; James, and Judas Iscariot the traitor.

    C 205 - He went (Judas) to find the high priest, who assembled in council of priests, scribes, and Pharisees; to whom Judas spake saying: “What will ye give me, and I will betray into your hands Jesus, who would fain make himself king of Israel”. They promised to give him thirty pieces of Gold.
    C 206 - Whereupon the High priest drew near , saying: “Tell me, O Jesus, hast thou forgotten all that thou didst confess, that thou art not God, nor son of God, nor even the Messiah? (In comparison to the Dead Sea Scrolls the Messiah here means the ‘kingly Messiah’ which the Jews were waiting for, but Jesus was the ‘priestly’ Messiah who came to fulfil the torah.). Jesus answered: “…,I have not forgotten; for this my confession before God on judgement day…”
    C 207 – Jesus answered : “ Wherefore, for this cause the devil stirreth up the world against me (for he is against Nimrodism), because I am not of this world (negating the title ‘kingly’ Messiah otherwise Jesus is called the Messiah son of Mary even in the Qur’an), but I seek that God may be Glorified (worshipped alone).”
    C 208 – The High priest asked: “ who was this son of Abraham ?” Jesus answered: “…Verily I say, the son of Abraham was Ishmael , from whom must be descended the Messiah promised to Abraham ( alluding to Muhammad or the ‘kingly’ Messiah as mentioned earlier)”. Nicodemus counselled Jesus to tarry out of Jerusalem for the Pharisees wanted to slay him (they accused him of blasphemy).
    C 213 – Jesus said, “ Verily I say unto you that one of you shall betray me (fulfilment of prophecy Psalm
    7:15)….He shall fall into the pit which he had prepared for others.” Then, he said to Judas: “Do quickly that which thou must do.”
    C 214 – Jesus retired into the garden to pray, bowing his knees and prostrating himself upon his face (Islamic way to pray). Judas went to the high priest and told him about the place where Jesus was.
    C 215 – When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was four angels came and took Jesus out by the window and placed him in the third heaven in the company of angels. When Judas entered before all into the chamber whence Jesus had been taken up and the disciples were sleeping, God the Almighty changed him in speech and in face to be like Jesus.(The rest of the story is similar to the four Gospels : The only difference resides in considering that it was Judas who got spat on, humiliated and crucified. This corroborates the verse in the Quran 4:157 with regards Jesus “They slew him not , nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them.”C 217 – The Governor Pilate marvelled when Judas told him that Jesus transform him with his magic. Pilate told to the Pharisees to take him to be judged by Herod (a gentile) the king of Galilee who sent him back to Pilate. Even though Judas was scourged, he didn’t die for God reserved him for the cross. The scribes and the Pharisees condemened two robbers with him to the death of the cross ( working it out to get a similar story compared to Babylonian passion play).

    C 218 – Some weak disciples went by night and stole the body of Judas and hid it, spreading a report that Jesus was risen again (another fabrication about resurrection!)
    C 219 – After hearing the news, the Virgin returned to Jerusalem with him who writeth (Barnabas),James
    and John. So, the angels that were guardians of Mary ascended to recount to Jesus in the third heaven.
    Wherefore Jesus prayed God to give him power to see his mother and his disciples. Then God The Almighty commanded his four favourite angels to bear Jesus into his mother’s house, and keep watch over him for three days continually (fulfilment of prophecy Matthew 12:40).

    Among others, Jesus met his mum with her two sisters, and Martha and Mary Magdalene and Lazarus, and him who writeth, and John and James and Peter.
    C 220 – Then the four angels narrated to the Virgin how God Exalted be He had transformed Judas, that he might suffer the punishment to which he had sold another. Jesus said to Barnabas: “… I will be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross until the advent of Muhammad who shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God’s law”
    C 221 – And Jesus turned himself to Barnabas, and said, “…thou write my gospel in like manner that which hath befallen Judas, in order that the faithful may be undeceived,…” The third day Jesus said, “ Go to the Mount of Olives with my mother, for there will I ascend again unto heaven,…” “For God hath granted me to live almost unto the end of the world” And his prayer ended, he embraced his mother, saying: ‘Peace be unto thee, my mother, rest thou in God who created thou and me’. Then, he turned to his disciples, saying: ‘May God’s grace and mercy be with you’ Then before their eyes the four angels carried him up to heaven.
    C 222 – After Jesus had departed, the truth hated, of Satan, was prosecuted, as it always is, by falsehood.
    For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we, as much as I have written , that preach we to those who fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God’s Judgement. Amen.


    Alleged crucifixion of Jesus (on whom be peace)
    Let me give you a quick summary of many points from the Bible proving that Jesus was not killed on the cross even if we consider it was him the one put upon the cross for the unknown writers of the gospels believed Judas (transformed by God the Almighty to be Jesus in face and speech) to be really Jesus. However, it is impossible to think that Jesus could have been crucified for it discredits his prophethood if we refer to the following verses from the Bible:
    “ And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be put to death, and thou hang him on , his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shall surely bury him that same day; for he who is hanged [on a tree] is accursed by God [for being worthy of such death ], that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.” Deuteronomy 21: 22-23 See also Hosea 6:6 and Matthew 12 : 7
    The Jews claimed they killed him to prove he was a false prophet which they still believe because he refused to go along with their ‘Nimrodism’ and the man who intoduced ‘sacrifice’ or ‘atonement’ as a belief is Paul (Saul the Jew): He abolished the Torah [ Acts 13:39 ] whereas Jesus came to fulfil the Torah (‘priestly’ Messiah) [Matthew 23 : 2-3]

    A – Regarding Judas the traitor who has been taken for Jesus by the authors of the gospels ( In the following verses I would use the name of Judas the traitor instead of the name of Jesus [PBUH]):

    1. Pilate knew that Judas was not guilty [ b ecause he told him that Jesus changed him with magic which is a good reason to try to keep him alive. However, Pilate let him down because he was given a bribery] John 13:38
    2. Judas was probably alive on the cross because he was fastened only three hours(no one dies for such short time).
    3. Immediately came there out blood and water which was a sign that Judas (scourged) was alive.
    4. Dr Primrose testified that the “water and blood” was a sure sign that Judas was alive!
    5. Judas was possibly alive because his two “crossmates” were alive. John 19:32
    6. Encyclopedia Biblica under article “cross”-column 960, says : “when the spear was thrust Judas was alive”.
    7. Judas was possibly still alive during the earthquake and darkening of the sun(within3hours)
    8. The Jews suspected that he had escaped death on the cross – that he was alive. Matthew 27:62-64
    9. Pilate “marvels” to hear that Judas was dead and suspected that he was alive. Mark 15:44
    10. Stone and “winding sheets” had to be removed necessary only if Judas was alive.[ all these statements declaring Judas (believed to be Jesus) to be alive is an effort to classically condition people to accept the Babylonian passion play !] John 20:1
    11. German scientists who checked the ‘shroud of Turin’ affirmed that his heart was still functioning.
    12. The sepulchre was a big roomy chamber close at hand [ Some weak disciples went by night and stole the body of Judas who the most likely died in the sepulchre in order to proclaim the alleged resurrection of Jesus ]

    B – Regarding Jesus [PBUH] as stated being alive in the bible :1. Jesus has worked out a strategy of defence to remain alive. Luke 22:36
    2. He beseeched God the Almighty to keep him alive. Matthew 26:39
    3. God accepted his prayers to keep him alive. Hebrew 5:7
    4. Pilate’s wife dreamt that Jesus won’t be harmed. Matt 27:19
    5. An angel was promising him that God will save him alive [ four angels took him to third heaven] Luke 22:43
    6. He was ever in disguise which necessary only if he was alive (not resurrected) [He was brought back to the earth from heaven and four angels were watching him for three days] John 21:4
    7. Forbade Mary Magdalene to touch him because he was alive. John 20:17
    8. “Not yet ascended unto my father” which means “ I am not dead” [During the three days] John 20 : 17
    9. Mary Magdalene wasn’t afraid because she saw Jesus alive John 20:16
    10.The disciples knew the “crucifiction” from hearsay, therefore they couldn’t believe Jesus was alive
    11. He ate food again and again which is necessary only if he was alive! Luke 24:43
    12. He never showed himself to his enemies after he had escaped death [ back from heaven]. So, He was alive
    13. He took only short trips because he wasn’t resurrected, nor spiritualised, but alive!
    14. Some men testified (around the tomb): “Why seek ye the living among the dead” [ The body of Judas had been already taken from the sepulchre and those who work from the shadows to make Nimrodism prevail on earth had already spread the news that Jesus was risen again while Jesus was still in heaven]
    Luke 24 : 4-5

    15. The angels didn’t say he was resurrected but said he was alive. Luke 24:23
    16. Mary Magdalene testified to the disciples she didn’t see a ghost or a spirit but the Master alive. Mark 16:11
    17. Jesus himself foretold that his miracle will be the miracle of Jonah : “ For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” [As it was mentioned in chapter 219 of the gospel of Barnabas the ‘heart of the earth’ means the most likely the holy land in the middle east and not the sepulchre or the grave for he was in the third heaven : He definitely spent three days and three nights in Jerusalem and then ascended to heaven.] Matthew 12:40
    The Babylonian passion play: A conspiracy against Jesus

    As proved previously the crucifixion should rather be called cruci-fiction. If someone refers to the January 1922 edition of “Quest” which describes the tablets belonging to the cuneiform documents which were discovered by German excavators in 1903 at Kalah Shargat, the site of the ancient Assur ( ex Babylon) formed in the 9th century BC, he would be astonished by the fact that the story of Nimrod (the ruler of Babylon : Bel or Baal) and the Christian passion story are one and the same.



    The alleged beliefs attributed wrongfully to Jesus (on whom be peace)

    1 – Atonement, original sin:
    Nimrod used to consider the act of production of children as a ‘ call of the sinful flesh’. Therefore, according to him, every child was born out of a “sinful” act between the parents, hence everyone has been born “sinful”!
    Moreover, the pagan Nimrod (4200yers) declared himself as “sinless” and infallible (to make people think backwards and do any crime and get away with it) because his mother claimed that she conceived him without any male intervention, that’s why he has chosen to be called the begotten son of God or God incarnate.
    Similarly, the doctrine of atonement adopted by the Church three centuries after Jesus left the earth, contradicts both the Qur’aan and the Bible. On the one hand, according to Islamic texts, every child is born pure and sinless with Islamic monotheism and his parents will corrupt him in the future and if he dies before the age of puberty he will be in paradise because God the Almighty is Just. So, Adam and Eve were responsible for their own sin, which have been forgiven by God. On the other hand, redemption of sin through the cruci-fiction (another Nimrod’s legacy) is not Jesus teaching:
    - “ The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither the children be….” Jeremiah 31:30
    - “ But everyone will die for his own iniquity…” Ezekiel 18:20
    - “..For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged…” Matthew 7:1and 2
    - “… everyman will receive his own reward according to his own labour…” I Corinthians 3:8
    Consequently, anyone can conclude the following:
    - Jesus was not crucified (he didn’t die on the cross) nor was he resurrected.
    - It is nonsensical to believe that a God commits a suicide or to entertain that God dies (we seek refuge).
    - Why should we be held responsible for the sin of Adam and Eve which has been already forgiven?
    - How can human beings be condemned before they do anything ?.

    2 – The sign of the Cross

    Nimrod won the title “Tam-Muz” or “Fire,the perfector” when he threw Abraham into the fire. The initial letter “Tau” of “Tam-Muz” was written in Hebrew script as an upright sign of the cross. So, the sign of the cross was the initial letter of Nimrod or “Tammuz” and it has nothing to do with any Prophet of God. By 70 BC a cross has been discovered in Ireland which used to represent Mithraism or Nimrodism : It was already preached that the divine son born (Mithra or Nimrod) of the virgin mother who had come to save sinners had been killed on a cross. Therefore, the symbol of the cross was here in the west long centuries (539 BC) before Christianity ever arrived. The sign of the cross was used as a sacred symbol to ward off evil because Nimrod preached that he would be raised from the dead to the position of “lamb of heaven” when the sun crossed the equator making the sign of the cross at the spring equinox. Encyclopedia Americana 1929/v8/p238 –Crabb’s Mythology/p163 – etc.

    3 - Easter
    Normally, Easter varies from around the 21st March up to the 19th of April, as it follows the sun’s cycle (Collins, table of movable feasts). The followers of Nimrod used to celebrate the spring equinox (Easter) because according to them Nimrod was conceived in the womb of his mother nine months before the 25th of December.
    On the other hand, the alleged resurrection of Jesus on Sunday morning contradicts the prediction of Jesus who said that he will remain three days in the heart of the earth. Otherwise, the so-called Sunday morning should rather have been a Monday evening. This contradiction proves that Jesus didn’t resurrect but resuscitated!

    3 - Baptism
    Nimrod preached that he was initiated to be baptised from the sacred fount of Euphrates and Tigris : According to him these sacred waters had the power of removing instantly all the dirty evil deeds of a person and he would become immediately clean and pure regardless how bad and heinous are the sins! This form of purification has been prevalent among millions of Hindus (three head-God religion or trinity : Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva) and others throughout the world 2000 years before the coming of Jesus.

    4 – Celibacy
    Nimrod won the title “sacred heart” or “Baal” (chaldean) for teaching to keep the heart pure from worldly marriage and observe celibacy which is against the teaching of all prophets of God. In reality his aim was to avoid the birth of Abraham because his fortune tellers interpret one of his dreams as follows : A child is on the way to be born who will challenge him and cause him a violent death. So, even though his people observed celibacy for nearly two years Abraham was the only child to be born!
    5 - The swine flesh
    To express his hate against this person ( the Prophet Abraham PBUH) who would be the cause of his death by violence, Nimrod used to abuse him as a swine. Accordingly, to express his revenge in advance against this “would-be-killer” he and his followers enjoy eating swine flesh at all their feasts!
    According to the Bible as well as to the Quran, eating pork has never been the habit of any prophet of God.
    “ And the swine, he is unclean to you. Of the flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you” Leviticus 11:7-8 See also Deutronomy 14:8
    In addition to bacteria , worms (tapeworm,the trichina roudworm, etc.), pork is the main carrier of the following germs and parasites wich can cause important deseases: tapeworms, hookworms, faciolopsis Buski, paragonimus, Clonorchis sinesis, and Erysipelothrix Rhusiophatiae)
    Conclusion:
    Many people today ignore the fact that the true story of the long awaited Messiah (Jesus or Yushuah or Issa) [PBUH], to be born of a virgin as a sign to all human beings which is the will of God the Almighty to enable them to repent from previous paganism (The mother of Nimrod was a ***** for marrying her own son whereas Mary was a real virgin and a pious woman), was a currency long before his arrival. So by the time the Messiah did appear, they wanted him to be what he was not (He declared himself to be the servant of God). Then, when they couldn’t get him to go along with their earlier Nimrodism or Godhood; they tried to kill him.

    Can you tell me your opinion on the above article please? [ I know you know better than me]. Thanks
    regards,

    Nice post Dhahabi


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    very factual dhahabi!


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