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    Default Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    Hi. I have been thinking for a while and am not really sure if i believe in god or not. My parents and especially my grandparents tell me to pray and fast but when i ask them for some proof, i never get any. I'm kinda frustrated.

    I'm also curious as to what will happen when this world ends.

    Hmm, i dunno how to word this. You see, i am taking physics, chemistry, etc and i know tons about science. Now my parents have told me some things which don't make much sense. For example, they say that Allah has created 7 skies. Now i dont understand that.

    What does "sky" mean here??? Does it mean, "dimensions" ???

    Also, they said something about a prophet coming back and something about Yajooj and Majooj. Not too sure what those are. Someone please clarify.

    Also, i dont understand, eternity. How can god exist forever??

    I think of it like this. God exists in higher dimensions (beyond our 4 dimensional world, including time). Think about it. If god is in a dimensionless place, then time wont affect him. Kinda weird, eh ?

    So basically, i would love any kind of answers which provide some insight.

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    Assalamu Alaykum,
    First we wish to commend you on your desire to learn and educate yourself about your religion and ensure that you understand it yourself. Islam commands its followers to think, reflect and ponder so that they fully understand the message of Islam themselves. On the Day of Judgement everyone will account for themselves.

    Let us begin with the question you have used as a title for this thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by Tabish Syed View Post
    Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?
    This is a very important question that many Muslims have not reflected upon, and as a result when they get older and someone asks them why they are Muslim they can only respond with, "I don't know, my parents were Muslim so that is what I follow". i,.e. they concede that they have not made any informed concious decison themselves to follow this path which is something Islam requires from all its followers.

    To speak about proof for Islam presupposes a common understanding of 'proof' and a solid understanding of 'islam' on the part of those involved in the discussion. Muslims maintain that Islam stands above all other theologies, ideologies and philosophies in its logical coherence and its ability to provide a complete explanation for our existence and place in the universe. As I said in another post:
    On the contrary Islam has everything to do with logic. Faith should not be placed in illogical doctrines passed down by one's ancestors. Islam provides the most coherent, comprehensive and parsimonious explanation for our existence. It is analogous to how scientists accept the theory that provides the most parsimonious explanation for a specific observable phenomenon.
    Please also see:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/416060-post165.html

    Muslims have numerous reasons to believe in the reliability of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and the Qur'an as the word of God. I would strongly recommend every Muslim read The First and Final Commandment by Dr. Laurence Brown MD as it contains an excellent introduction to the voluminous quantity of evidence in favor of the veracity of Islam.

    As well, you can check out some of my posts:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/176538-post11.html

    Please also see:
    http://www.islamtoday.com/discover_i...&sub_cat_id=55

    I also encourage you to read the biography of the Prophet Muhammad saws, a good one is by Adil Salahi:
    http://onlineislamicstore.com/b7111.html
    I'm also curious as to what will happen when this world ends.
    Read about what Islam says on the Hereafter.
    http://islamtoday.com/showme2.cfm?ca...sub_cat_id=601
    http://www.islamtoday.com/show_quest...&sub_cat_id=95
    For example, they say that Allah has created 7 skies. Now i dont understand that.
    God has created seven heavens and He transcends above His creation. The seven heavens are not aspects of our observable universe; all we know is that they are beyond the confines of our observable universe. Whether one wishes to think of them as parallel dimensions or alternative components of a multiverse, it is all entirely speculation.
    Also, they said something about a prophet coming back and something about Yajooj and Majooj. Not too sure what those are. Someone please clarify.
    These are part of the major signs of the Day of Judgement. There are many threads about this on the forum.
    Also, i dont understand, eternity. How can god exist forever??
    Why not ask how can something not exist for eternity? Either way, if you are asking for a specific mechanism, then it is beyond human knowledge. Butif you are talking about logic, then obviously as time is eternal then the One who turns time is even more in control of eternity.

    I hope this helps.
    And Allah - Glorified and Exalted is He - knows best.


    The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
    "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]


    Visit Ansâr Al-'Adl's personal page HERE.
    Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabish Syed View Post
    Hi. I have been thinking for a while and am not really sure if i believe in god or not. My parents and especially my grandparents tell me to pray and fast but when i ask them for some proof, i never get any. I'm kinda frustrated.

    I'm also curious as to what will happen when this world ends.

    Hmm, i dunno how to word this. You see, i am taking physics, chemistry, etc and i know tons about science. Now my parents have told me some things which don't make much sense. For example, they say that Allah has created 7 skies. Now i dont understand that.

    What does "sky" mean here??? Does it mean, "dimensions" ???

    Also, they said something about a prophet coming back and something about Yajooj and Majooj. Not too sure what those are. Someone please clarify.

    Also, i dont understand, eternity. How can god exist forever??

    I think of it like this. God exists in higher dimensions (beyond our 4 dimensional world, including time). Think about it. If god is in a dimensionless place, then time wont affect him. Kinda weird, eh ?

    So basically, i would love any kind of answers which provide some insight.
    Assalamu Aleykum, Hey

    I went through some of the same stuff before I became Muslim. Although as you see above me there will be others who wil be able to help you in much of a better way that I could, I just wanna say, stick around here, inshaAllah, if you need anything ask, and keep safe ;)

    Eesa.


    The path is long but I hope we meet,
    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

    A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
    If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.

    Your Bro. Abu Hurayra, al-Habeshi

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    Tabish Syed inshallah you will find the prove in islam and may allah guide you

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    Well here is some sermon said by hazrat Ali,, hope u like them..

    About Allah's greatness and sublimity (Sermon 49)

    Praise be to Allah Who lies inside all hidden things, and towards Whom all open things guide. He cannot be seen by the eye of an onlooker, but the eye which does not see Him cannot deny Him while the mind that proves His existence cannot perceive Him. He is so high in sublimity that nothing can be more sublime than He, while in nearness, He is so near that no one can be nearer than He. But his sublimity does not put Him at a distance from anything of His creation, nor does His nearness bring them on equal level to Him. He has not informed (human) wit about the limits of His qualities. Nevertheless, He has not prevented it from securing essential knowledge of Him. So he is such that all signs of existence stand witness for Him till the denying mind also believes in Him. Allah is sublime beyond what is described by those who liken Him to things or those who deny Him.

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    www.kalamullah.com I get my info from here. They have many mp3 lectures that I learn alot from. You can pretty much pick any subject your intersted in. There are also many other websites that have lectures.

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    If you beleive in something already you don't need proof to further it.

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    Everything around you is proof.

    The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

    Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water)

    The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    Ass Aleikum

    I fully agree with Ansar.Most muslims realise there are muslims by birth but to dont understand it and therefore their faith become questionable.
    It is important for you to read more and be careful with your statements because if you doubt your beleif in the seven heavens and Allah as ever present then this can amount to a big shirk.

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    Nice post

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    dunno u sound to hav doubt about Allah's existance let alone Islam...

    as for whether the hour will come... even science gives us some amazing descriptions of the destruction of the solar system that are amazingly similar to the description that Allah givs us in the quran....

    also if you contemplate this universe and its perfection it becoems beyond doubt that Allah exists due to the perfect design of the universe:

    consider these facts for example:


    1 . galaxy type
    if too elliptical:
    star formation would cease before sufficient heavy element build-up for life
    chemistry

    if too irregular:
    radiation exposure on occasion would be too severe and heavy elements for
    life chemistry would not be available
    2. supernova. eruptions

    if too close:
    life on the planet would be exterminated by radiation

    if too far:
    not enough heavy element ashes would exist for the formation of rocky planets

    if too frequent
    : life on the planet would be exterminated

    if too infrequent:
    not enough heavy element ashes would be present for the formation of
    rocky planets

    if too late:
    life on the planet would be exterminated by radiation

    if too soon:
    not enough heavy element ashes would exist for the formation of rocky planets
    3. white dwarf binaries

    if too few:
    insufficient fluorine would be produced for life chemistry to proceed

    if too many:
    planetary orbits would be disrupted by stellar density; life on the planet would
    be exterminated

    if too soon:
    not enough heavy elements would be made for efficient fluorine production

    if too late:
    fluorine would be made too late for incorporation in protoplanet
    4. parent star distance from center of galaxy

    if farther:
    quantity of heavy elements would be insufficient to make rocky planets

    if closer:
    galactic radiation would be too great, stellar density would disturb planetary orbits
    out of life support zones
    5. number of stars in the planetary system

    if more than one:
    tidal interactions would disrupt planetary orbits

    if less than one:
    heat produced would be insufficient for life
    6. parent star birth date

    if more recent:
    star would not yet have reached stable burning phase; stellar system would
    contain too many heavy elements

    if less recent:
    stellar system would not contain enough heavy elements
    7. parent star age

    if older:
    luminosity of star would change too quickly

    if younger:
    luminosity of star would change too quickly
    8. parent star mass

    if greater:
    luminosity of star would change too quickly; star would bum too rapidly

    if less:
    range of distances appropriate for life would be too narrow; tidal forces would disrupt
    the rotational period for a planet of the right distance; uv radiation would be inadequate for
    plants to make sugars and oxygen
    9. parent star color

    if redder:
    photosynthetic response would be insufficient

    if bluer:
    photosynthetic response would be insufficient
    10. parent star luminosity relative to speciation

    if increases too soon:
    would develop runaway greenhouse effect

    if increases too late:
    would develop runaway glaciation
    11. surface gravity (escape velocity)

    if stronger:
    planet’s atmosphere would retain too much ammonia and methane

    if weaker:
    planet’s atmosphere would lose too much water
    12. distance from parent star

    if farther:
    planet would be too cool for a stable water cycle

    if closer:
    planet would be too warm for a stable water cycle
    13. inclination of orbit

    if too great:
    temperature differences on the planet would be too extreme
    14. orbital eccentricity

    if too great:
    seasonal temperature differences would be too extreme
    15. axial tilt

    if greater:
    surface temperature differences would be too great

    if less:
    surface temperature differences would be too great
    16. rotation period

    if longer:
    diurnal temperature differences would be too great

    if shorter:
    atmospheric wind velocities would be too great
    17. rate of change in rotation period

    if larger:
    surface temperature range necessary for life would not be sustained

    if smaller:
    surface temperature range necessary for life would not be sustained
    18. age

    if too young:
    planet would rotate too rapidly

    if too old:
    planet would rotate too slowly
    20
    19. magnetic field

    if stronger:
    electromagnetic storms would be too severe

    if weaker:
    ozone shield and life on the land would be inadequately protected from hard stellar
    and solar radiation
    20. thickness of crust

    if thicker:
    too much oxygen would be transferred from the atmosphere to the crust

    if thinner:
    volcanic and tectonic activity would be too great
    21. albedo (ratio of reflected light to total amount falling on surface)

    if greater:
    runaway glaciation would develop

    if less:
    runaway greenhouse effect would develop
    22. collision rate with asteroids and comets

    if greater:
    too many species would become extinct

    if less:
    crust would be too depleted of materials essential for life
    23. oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere

    if larger:
    advanced life function, would proceed too quickly

    if smaller:
    advanced life functions would proceed too slowly
    24. carbon dioxide level in atmosphere

    if greater:
    runaway greenhouse effect would develop

    if less:
    plants would be unable to maintain efficient photosynthesis
    25. water vapor level in atmosphere

    if greater:
    runaway greenhouse effect would develop

    if less:
    rainfall would be too meager for advanced life on the land
    26. atmospheric electric discharge rate

    if greater:
    too much fire destruction would occur

    if less:
    too little nitrogen would be fixed in the atmosphere
    27. ozone level in atmosphere

    if greater:
    surface temperatures would be too low

    if less:
    surface temperatures would be too high; there would be too much uv radiation at the
    surface
    28. oxygen quantity in atmosphere

    if greater:
    plants and hydrocarbons would bum up too easily

    if less:
    advanced animals would have too little to breathe
    29. tectonic plate activity

    if greater:
    too many life forms would be destroyed

    if less:
    nutrients on ocean floors (from river run off) would not be recycled to the continents
    through tectonic uplift
    21
    30. oceans-to-continents ratio

    if greater:
    diversity and complexity of life forms would be limited

    if smaller:
    diversity and complexity of life forms would be limited
    31. global distribution of continents (for Earth)

    if too much in the southern hemisphere:
    seasonal temperature differences would be too severe
    for advanced life
    32. soil mineralization

    if too nutrient poor:
    diversity and complexity of life forms would be limited

    if too nutrient rich:
    diversity and complexity of life forms would be limited
    33. gravitational interaction with a moon

    if greater:
    tidal effects on the oceans, atmosphere, and rotational period would be too severe

    if less:
    orbital obliquity changes would cause climatic instabilities; movement of nutrients and
    life from the oceans to the continents and continents to the oceans would be insufficient;
    magnetic field would be too weak


    Evidence for Fine tuning of the universe:

    More than two dozen parameters for the universe must have values falling within narrowly
    defined ranges for life of any kind to exist.
    1. strong nuclear force constant
    if larger:
    no hydrogen; nuclei essential for life would be unstable

    if smaller:
    no elements other than hydrogen
    2. weak nuclear force constant

    if larger:
    too much hydrogen converted to helium in big bang, hence too much heavy element
    material made by star burning; no expulsion of heavy elements from stars

    if smaller:
    too little helium produced from big bang, hence too little heavy element material
    made by star burning; no expulsion of heavy elements from stars
    3. gravitational force constant

    if larger:
    stars would be too hot and would burn up too quickly and to unevenly

    if smaller:
    stars would remain so cool that nuclear fusion would never ignite, hence no heavy
    element production
    4. electromagnetic force constant

    if larger:
    insufficient chemical bonding; elements more massive than boron would be too
    unstable for fission

    if smaller:
    insufficient chemical bonding
    5. ratio of electromagnetic force constant to gravitational force constant

    if larger:
    no stars less than 1.4 solar masses, hence short stellar life spans and uneven stellar
    luminosities

    if smaller:
    no stars more than 0.8 solar masses, hence no heavy element production
    6. ratio of electron to proton mass

    if larger:
    insufficient chemical bonding

    if smaller:
    insufficient chemical bonding
    7. ratio of numbers of protons to electrons

    if larger:
    electromagnetism would dominate gravity, preventing galaxy, star, and planet
    formation

    if smaller:
    electromagnetism would dominate gravity, preventing galaxy, star, and planet
    formation
    8. expansion rate of the universe

    if larger:
    no galaxy formation

    if smaller:
    universe would collapse prior to star formation

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    The entirety of Appendix One is taken from Hugh Ross, The Creator and the Cosmos: How the Greatest
    Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God
    , 2d ed. (Colorado Springs: Navpress, 1995), 118-21.

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    9. entropy level of the universe
    if larger:
    no star condensation within the proto-galaxies

    if smaller:
    no proto-galaxy formation
    10. mass density of the universe

    if larger:
    too much deuterium from big bang, hence stars burn too rapidly

    if smaller:
    insufficient helium from big bang, hence too few heavy elements forming
    11. velocity of light

    if faster:
    stars would be too luminous

    if slower:
    stars would not be luminous enough
    12. age of the universe

    if older:
    no solar-type stars in a stable burning phase in the right part of the galaxy

    if younger:
    solar-type stars in a stable burning phase would not yet have formed
    13. initial uniformity of radiation

    if smoother:
    stars, star dusters, and galaxies would not have formed

    if coarser:
    universe by now would be mostly black holes and empty space
    14. fine structure constant (a number used to describe the fine structure splitting of spectral lines)

    if larger:
    DNA would be unable to function; no stars more than 0.7 solar masses

    if smaller:
    DNA would be unable to function; no stars less than 1.8 solar masses
    15. average distance between galaxies

    if larger:
    insufficient gas would be infused into our galaxy to sustain star formation over an
    adequate time span

    if smaller:
    the sun’s orbit would be too radically disturbed
    16. average distance between stars

    if larger:
    heavy element density too thin for rocky planets to form

    if smaller:
    planetary orbits would become destabilized
    17. decay rate of the proton

    if greater:
    life would be exterminated by the release of radiation

    if smaller:
    insufficient matter in the universe for life
    18.
    12Carbon (12C) to 16Oxygen (16O) energy level ratio

    if larger:
    insufficient oxygen

    if smaller:
    insufficient carbon ground state energy level for 4Helium (4He)

    if larger:
    insufficient carbon and oxygen

    if smaller:
    insufficient carbon and oxygen
    20. decay rate of
    8Beryllium (8Be)

    if slower:
    heavy element fusion would generate catastrophic explosions in all the stars

    if faster:
    no element production beyond beryllium and, hence, no life chemistry possible
    21. mass excess of the neutron over the proton

    if greater:
    neutron decay would leave too few neutrons to form the heavy elements essential
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    for life

    if smaller:
    proton decay would cause all stars to collapse rapidly into neutron stars or black
    holes
    22. initial excess of nucleons over anti-nucleons

    if greater:
    too much radiation for planets to form

    if smaller:
    not enough matter for galaxies or stars to form
    23. polarity of the water molecule

    if greater:
    heat of fusion and vaporization would be too great for life to exist

    if smaller:
    heat of fusion and vaporization would be too small for life’s existence; liquid water
    would become too inferior a solvent for life chemistry to proceed; ice would not float, leading
    to a runaway freeze-up
    24. supernovae eruptions

    if too close:
    radiation would exterminate life on the planet

    if too far:
    not enough heavy element ashes for the formation of rocky planets

    if too frequent:
    life on the planet would be exterminated

    if too infrequent:
    not enough heavy element ashes for the formation of rocky planets

    if too late:
    life on the planet would be exterminated by radiation

    if too soon:
    not enough heavy element ashes for the formation of rocky planets
    25. white dwarf binaries

    if too few:
    insufficient fluorine produced for life chemistry to proceed

    if too many:
    disruption of planetary orbits from stellar density; life on the planet would be
    exterminated

    if too soon:
    not enough heavy elements made for efficient fluorine production

    if too late:
    fluorine made too late for incorporation in proto-planet
    26. ratio of exotic to ordinary matter

    if smaller:
    galaxies would not form

    if larger:
    universe would collapse before solar type stars could form

    ddidnt wanna quote the source incase u think i'm supporting different ideologies or things... pm me if u want the reference inshalah...

    as for Islam.. just read the quran and contemplate the lingustic miracle, that alone should be enough to prove its somethign beyond human capacity... as well as teh scientific and legislative miracles present in it.

    take care all the best!


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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    Peace, ok bro im just going to give you very straight forward answers and if your looking for something a bit deeper then check bro Ansars answers inshaAllah. May Allah guide me and protect me misguiding others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabish Syed View Post
    I have been thinking for a while and am not really sure if i believe in god or not.
    lets think about it, does everything require a creator? Take a pen for example, cant have come out of nowhere right. Take a glass, you let it drop on the floor (it will make a bigbang) will it be neatly organised into several smaller glasses or would it be a huge pile of mess. Its very obvious that the chances of all this being pure coincidence is Zero !

    I'm also curious as to what will happen when this world ends.
    the universe will implode causing all the stars to fall and then the day of judgement will come (surah zalzalah of the Quran provides a clear description)

    (if im wrong please correct me)


    Im a little embarassed to add any further as Ansars answers are very straight to the point and precise mashaAllah.

    Bro read the Quran inshaAllah, plenty of proof


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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    I recommend this video here:

    http://kalamullah.com/abdurraheem-green.html

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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    I felt the same way before I found Islam as well. However when you learn about the life of Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) and how the Qur'an was formed and read Qur'an and how beautiful it is, there will be no doubt of the existence of Allah.

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    Default Yes Allah The Almightyis the one and True god.

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    IS THE QUR’AN GOD’S WORD? - PART-I

    (Dr. Mohammad) Bismillah Hirrehmaaan Nirraheem. We begin todays programme with the Qirat - The recitation of the Holy Qur’an by brother Ashraf Mohammedy. Brother Ashraf Mohammady: Assalaam wa alaikum wa rehmatullahi wa barakatahu. ...Arabic... The translation … Surah Sajadah, Chapter 32, Verses 1 to 3, I seek refuge with Allah from Satan the accursed. In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful. ‘Alif Laam Meem’. This is the revelation of the book of the book in which there is no doubt from the Lord of this world. Or do they say He has forged it. Nay, It is the truth from your Lord. That you may admonish a people to whom no Warner had come before you in order that they may receive guidance. Surah Jaziyah, Chapter 45, Verses 1 to 6. In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful. ‘Ha Meem’. The revelation of the book is from Allah. The exalted in powerful of wisdom. Verily, in the heaven and the earth, are signs for those who believe. And in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered through the earth, are signs for those of assured faith. And in the attenuation of night and day, and the fact that Allah sends down sustenance from the sky, and revolves therewith the earth after its death. And in the change of winds, are signs for those that are wise. Such are the signs of Allah, which we rehearse to you in truth. Then in what exposition will they believe after rejecting Allah and His signs? Verily Allah speaks the truth.

    (Dr. Mohammed): Our chief guest for the day Mr. Rafiq Dada. The distinguished guest of honor, respected elders, our special guests who have come from other cities of India today as well as those who have come from abroad, brother an sisters. I, Dr. Mohammed Naik, welcome all of you with the Islamic greetings - Assalaamu alaikum, may peace be on you. I am your host and coordinator for today’s programme, organized by the Islamic Research Foundation. The Islamic Research Foundation, a registered public trust was established in February 1991, and has been striving since then for the proper presentation, understanding, and clarification of Islam as well as removing misconceptions about Islam amongst Muslims as well as non-Muslims.
    Along with real faith, reason, logic and modern scientific understanding form the basic of all our presentations and discussions on Islam. The IRF has more than 1600 videocassette titles collections on Islam available on free hire. It also has more than 4500 audiocassette titles on Islam. We have more than 55 IRF publication in English on Islam, which are distributed free, on request.
    Masha Allah, we have lately been receiving excellent response from the cable television operators in Bombay and the viewers for our videocassettes. In addition, the IRF also has many on going charitable, educational and other programmes. You may wonder, why have a talk on - ‘Is the Qur’an God’s word?’ Today, as you would know, Islam in its resurgence continues to shape event around the globe having contemporary relevance. It is main constitutional book of guidance is the Holy Qur’an. It is the book unifying and transformational source for Muslims. And lately, the Qur’an has been more subjected to mischievous misquotations, criticisms based on half truths, and out of context remarks as unscientific false allegation by ill informed or biased persons in the west as well as in India. Therefore the Islamic Research Foundation has thought it fit to hold this public talk today on ‘Is the Qur’an God’s word?’ by Dr. Zakir Naik.

    Our objective is to critically analyze the topic as well as keep it open to questions in public. At the end, we leave it to you members of the audience to judge rightly from wrong. Our chief guest for today Mr. Rafiq Dada, is an eminent authority on constitutional law and a leading senior advocate in India. In 1966 he stood second in the LLM exams of the University of Bombay. He was designated a senior advocate in 1987. He regularly appears in cases on the High Court and Supreme Court of India. A thorough gentleman with dynamic knowledge of contemporary human affairs and motivations Mr. Dada is the vice president of the Bombay Bar Association. In November 1994, the Government of India has honored him with an appointment as the additional solicitor general of India. May I present to the August audience present here, Mr. Rafiq Dada.

    (Mr. Rafiq Dada) As Salaam wa Alaikum. Dr. Mohammed Naik, the speaker of the day, Dr. Zakir Naik distinguished members of the audience, ladies and gentlemen. I stand before you in al humility for I am but very small in this great hall of knowledge. But small as I am, reminded of that little story of a fisherman who went one early morning before the sun came out. When he cast his net, he found a load. And when he checked it up on the darkness, he found that they were little pieces of stone. So he lamented his faith and he started throwing stone after stone into the water. But when he was about to cast the last few stones, the sun came out in all its glory and suddenly he saw that what he was throwing out into the sea was not a stone but was a precious pearl.
    Therefore in the darkness of ignorance, he was casting away pearls thinking that it was stones. It was only in the light that he ultimately saw reality and then he lamented his faith, that all the darkness, which had gone by in the previous time, had been wasted and he had given away some thing so precious. As far as the world of Muslims is concerned, the light shone bright 1400 years back when the Holy Qur’an was revealed to the world. It is an article of faith with every Muslim that the Holy Qur’an is the word of God. There is no debate possible on the subject. This is the article, which is axiomatic. It is the article of faith, but it is a belief of Muslim that religion have been perfected with the Holy Qur’an. And in the Holy Qur’an it has been mentioned, that this religion will be protected and preserved by the almighty. In fact, such is the miracle of the Holy Qur’an that right from the time of the holy prophet, hundreds and thousands and now million and may be crores of people committed it to memory so that not only is it inscribed in beautiful paper but it is enshrined in the heart and minds of men that it can never ever be erased. And it always remains in its authentic purity. It is a matter of pleasure and pride for me and as I said in all humility that you have considered me fit to stand before you and say all this.

    I say that it is necessary to meet and talk about all this because we are living at a time, which the scientists have called the age of calculators and philistines. Science has been used to denigrate religion and therefore it is necessary to reiterate some of the verses of the Holy Qur’an which point out to the scientific base which one finds in it. Dr. Maurice Bucaille is from the French Academy of Science. On 14th of June 1978 he addressed a big gathering in London. His subject was the Holy Qur’an and Modern Science. He referred to various verses from the Holy Qur’an and he established with great conviction, that what was mentioned 1400 years back has now been found by science. For instance he mentions that the Holy Qur’an mentions the fact that God Almighty, Allah Almighty had created the night, the sun and the moon each moving in its own orbit with its own motion. This was revealed at a time when the major part of the world or perhaps all the world believed that the world was flat and any one who had the courage to talk about anything to the contrary was either slaughtered or executed or was stoned that he was a lunatic. Likewise it has been mentioned that with the power of Allah, if human beings can penetrate the heavens and the earth, they shall do it. This was also mentioned at a time when the world perhaps did not even know a bullock cart and the question of going into the heaven was nothing but a distant dream. All this was revealed 1400 years back and Dr. Maurice Bucaille pointed this out in the seminar in London. It is difficult to comprehend the great subject that is going to be talked about today but we have a very distinguished speaker Dr. Zakir Naik. Most people are familiar with his speech and with great knowledge. Dr. Zakir Naik as you all know, in a short span of 30 years has delivered innumerable discourses on various religious subjects. He has spoken to audiences many and hundreds of audiences in the country and also audience’s abroad like in South Africa. He has visited various parts of the world U.K., U.S.A., Germany, Switzerland and various other parts of the Middle East and Far East. In fact one of the great thinkers of recent times Dr. Ahmed Deedat with great pleasure called Dr. Naik, Deedat plus. So we have Deedat plus before us and we have this vast subject. I pray to the Almighty that we have the strength, we have the humility and that he may shower us with his blessings and his glory. Thank you very much.
    (Dr. Mohammed) For the seating committee and the reception committee, I would kindly request you to adjust the younger people on the stage so we could be more respectful for the elders and provide them seats. We know it is little congested little difficult. But if you can cooperate we can make a very good program going. Now we have the main talk of the day “IS THE QUR’AN GOD’S WORD?” by Dr. Zakir Naik.
    (Dr. Zakir) Auzubillahi minash shaitan nir rajim. Bismillah hir rahman nir rahim. ...Arabic... Respected guest of honour Mr. Rafique Dada, the distinguished guests of honour, the learned scholars, the respected elders and my dear brother’s and sisters. I welcome all of you with the Islamic greeting Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu. May peace, blessings and mercy of Almighty Allah be on all of you. The topic of this mornings talk is “IS THE QUR’AN GOD’S WORD?” Many people have a misconception that Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) was the founder of the religion of Islam. In fact, Islam is in existence since man first set foot on the earth. God Almighty has sent several revelations and messengers to this earth. All the previous Prophets sent by Allah (SWT) were meant only for their people and their nation and the complete message was meant for a particular time period. That is the reason that the miracle they performed like the parting of the sea, like raising the dead to life convinced the people of that time but cannot be examined and verified by us today. Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) was the last and final messenger of God Almighty sent to the whole of humanity and his message is meant till eternity. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Ambiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 107...Arabic... ‘That we have sent not thee but as a mercy to the whole of humankind, as a mercy to all the world. Since Prophet Muhammad may peace be upon him, was the last and final messenger and his message was everlasting, that is the reason, the miracle given to him by Allah (SWT) should also be everlasting and examinable by us at all the time. Though Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him), performed several miracles which are mentioned in the Hadith, that is the traditions, he never emphasized them. Those Muslims believe in all these miracles. We only boast of the ultimate miracle given to him by Allah (SWT) that is the Holy Qur’an. Al-Qur’an is the miracle of all times. It proved itself to be a miracle 1400 years ago. It can be reconfirmed today and forever. In short, it is the miracle of miracles. Probably the only point common amongst the people, whether they be Muslims or non Muslims is that the Qur’an was recited the first time by the man born in the city of Makkah in Arabia in the 6th Century by the name Muhammad (May peace be upon him) regarding the source of the Holy Qur’an, there can be basically 3 different assumptions. The first is that the Holy Qur’an, its author is Prophet Muhammad (May Peace be upon him) himself consciously, sub-consciously or unconsciously. The second assumption that can be is that Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) he obtained it from other human sources or from other religious scripture. And the 3rd is that the Holy Qur’an does not have human author but it is verbatim the word or the revelation of God Almighty. Let us examine today all the three basic assumptions. The first being that Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) was the author himself consciously, sub-consciously or unconsciously. It is highly abnormal to challenge the testimony of a person who disclaims the responsibility of any great work. Whether it is literally, whether it be scientific or otherwise. But this is exactly what the orientalists do who doubt the origin of the Qur’an, when they say that Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) was the author. The Prophet never ever claimed that he was the author of the Qur’an. In fact, he always said that it was a revelation from Allah (SWT). To think otherwise is illogical and would mean that he was telling a lie, God forbid. History tells us that never has the prophet been ever reported of telling a lie till the prophethood that is till the age of 40. And all the people acclaimed him as a person who was honest, who was noble, who was chaste. No wonder they gave him the title Al-Ameen - the trustworthy. Friends and foes alike. Even those people who said that he was a liar, God forbid, after he claimed prophethood, even then, they kept their valuables with him for safe keeping. Then why should an honest person lie and say that the Qur’an is a word of God and that he was a prophet. Let us examine the claims made by the orientalists. Some say that prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) he attributed the Qur’an and said he was a prophet for material gains, for worldly benefits, I do agree there are several people who falsely claim to be prophets, saints and preachers for wealth. And they acquire riches and lead a luxurious life. We have several throughout the world. Especially in our country India. Prophet Muhammad was financially better off before than after prophethood. He had married a rich business woman by the name of Khadijah (May Allah be pleased with her) at the age of 25. 15 years before prophethood and his life after he claimed he was a prophet was unenviable. According to the collection of Hadith by An-Nawawi in Riyadh as Saleheen, Hadith No. 492, it says, that Ayesha (May Allah be pleased with her) who was the wife of our beloved prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) said that there were times when one or two months would pass without having fire been lit in the house because they did not have any cooked food. They survived on water and dates and sometimes supplemented by the goat milk given by the people of Madinah. This was not just a temporary phase. It was a way of life for the prophet. According to Riyadh as Saleheen, Hadith No. 465 and 466, Hazrat Bilal (May Allah be pleased with him) he said that whenever the prophet received gifts and provision for the future he gave it to the poor and the needy and never kept it back for himself. Then why should you doubt that the prophet told a lie, Nauzubillah for material gains. And there is a verse in the Qur’an which negates this thing. It is from Surah Al-Baqarah, Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 79, which says ...Arabic... ‘Then vow to those who write the book with their own hands’...Arabic... ‘And then say, this is from Allah’...Arabic... ‘To traffic with it for a miserable price’...Arabic... ‘Then vow to those for what their hands do write’...Arabic... ‘Then vow to those for what they earn’. This Verse is talking about the people who wrote the book with their own hands and said it is from God Almighty or they changed the words of Allah (SWT). There were every possibility that if Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) himself would have written the Qur’an and attributed it to Allah (SWT) in some point of his life, he would have been exposed. Then he would be called as the biggest hypocrite and would called as the biggest hypocrite and would be cursing himself in his own book some people say that prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) attributed the Qur’an to Allah (SWT) and called himself a prophet for status, for power, for glory, for leadership. What are the qualities of a person who wants power, status, leadership and glory. He wears fancy clothes. He eats very good food. He lives in mansions and in monumental buildings. He has guards etc., our beloved prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) he milked his own goat. He mend his own clothes, he repaired his own shoes, he even many a times did the household work. He was an amazing model of simplicity and humbleness. He sat on the floor, he went to shop in the market without any guards. Even when the poor people used to invite him, he used to dine with them and eat graciously whatever was given to him. So much so that, that it is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Tauba, Ch. No. 9, Verse No. 61, said… ‘Oh! He listens to everybody what kind of a person is this who listens to every Tom, Dick and Harry’. Once when the representative of the pagan Arab by the name of Udba. He came to the prophet and said… ‘If you give up this claim of prophethood, we will give you all the wealth in Arabia. We will make you the leader of Arabia and crown you the king. Only thing that we want is that you should give up this message that there is only one God’ and the prophet refused. By the revelation of the Qur’an from Surah Fussilat, Ch. No. 41. There were several attempts made once through his Uncle Abu Talib that you give up your message and we will make you the wealthiest man in Arabia. The prophet said… ‘Oh! My Uncle, even if they put the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left, I will not give up this mission until I die. Why should a person lead a life of such suffering and sacrifices when he was triumphant even with his advisories. And he was so humble and noble that, at all the times of victory, he always said, it is due to the help of Allah (SWT) and not my own genius. Some of the orientalists, they come up with a new theory, that the prophet, he was suffering from Mythomania. God forbid, Mythomania is a mental disorder in which a person tells a lie and he believes in it. So they said that our prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) told a lie Nauzubillah and he believes in it. If a psychiatrist has to treat a mythomaniac, he will pose him with facts because these people can not face facts. Suppose a person says I am the king of England. The psychiatrist will not tell him that he is crazy, he is mad. He will say okay if you are the king of England, where is your queen. He will say she is gone to my mother in laws place. Where is your minister, he has died. Where are the guards, the moment you keep on posing facts, finally the mythomaniac will say I think I am not the king of England. The Qur’an does the same. Qur’an poses the people with facts and questions. In fact it is not prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) who was Mythomaniac, it is these people who are actually Mythomaniac because they say that the prophet lied and they believe in it and Qur’an treats such people by posing facts by posing questions. If you doubt, if you think that the Qur’an has been forged, do so and so, so and so things. If you think that the Qur’an is not from Allah (SWT) what about this. It poses several questions, which we will be dealing with InshaAllah, during the course of the talk. Some have come up with a theory called the religious illusion theory or the sub conscious theory in which the prophet they say Nauzubillah used to form his subconscious mind, he derived the Qur’an unknowingly. And some of them said he was crazy. God forbid. Let us analyze their claim. A person if he is suffering from the disease or if he is crazy, they fail to realize that the Qur’an was revealed during a course of time which was 23 years. The Qur’an was not revealed at one time. It was revealed over a period of 23 years in stages part by part. If this Qur’an as they claim is from a mind which is sub conscious or a crazy mind, it could not have been so consistent. And neither can a person be under the false impression that he is a prophet when everything is coming from his sub conscious mind for a period of 23 years. There are several facts in the Qur’an which can disprove this. For example Qur’an mentions about several historical events which no one at the time of the prophet knew. There are several prophecies, which are, mentioned which have been fulfilled. There are several scientific facts which were known that time and had been confirmed today. It is impossible for these sort of facts to come out from a subconscious mind or a crazy mind. And the Qur’an testifies in Surah Araf, Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 184, ‘Do they not deflect that their companion is not one possessed with evil but he is a perpetious warner’. The Qur’an repeats in Al-Qalam, Ch. No. 68, Verse No. 2, ‘Thou is not by the grace of thy lord crazy or possessed’. It is said in Surah Tawkir, Ch. No. 81, Verse No. 22, ‘Your companion is not possessed and mad’. So why should a person lie, it is not possible to discuss all the various theories put forward by them. If any one had any new theory they are most welcome to put it during question answer time and InshaAllah, I will try my level best to clarify it. The second assumption is that the prophet copied it from other religious scriptures or he got it from some human source. One historical fact is sufficient to prove this theory wrong. That is out beloved prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) he was an illiterate and Qur’an testified in Surah Ankabut, Ch. No. 29, Verse No. 48, that those was not able to recite any book before this book was revealed, nor was thou able to transcribe it before this. In that case indeed the talkers of vanities would have doubted. Allah (SWT) knew that people would doubt the source of the Qur’an. That is the reason that in his divine wisdom, he chose his last and final messenger Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him) to be an Ummi, an illiterate and unlettered prophet. Otherwise, surely, the talkers of vanities, the babblers in the market place would have something to say and if the prophet was literate, the critics, the cynics would have had some weight to say that the prophet copied it from somewhere else and rehatched it in a new form, Nauzubillah! But even this claim is denied. A point hardly big enough to hang a fly and our Qari, brother Ashraf Mohammedy, he recited the verses of the Qur’an from Surah Sajdah, Ch. No. 32, Verse No. 1 to 3…Arabic… ‘Alif lam meem’. ‘This is the revelation of book without doubt from the lord of the worlds. Do they say he has forged it? Nay! It is a truth from thy lord, so that thou may admonish a people to whom no warner was sent before. So that they may receive some guidance’. The Qur’an is unlike any other religious scriptures which has a typical human type of narration like a storybook. How does the storybook begin? It begins with once upon a time, foxes and grapes, wolf and the lamb. Similarly, if you read other scriptures, it says, in the beginning was God, he made the heavens and the earth. In the beginning was the word. It may say now it came to pass as though so it happened. The Qur’an does not have such human narration in the beginning was so and so and if you read the other religious scriptures, they have a typical sequence of the human narration’s. It talks about a particular person, talks about his family, about the children and the sequence runs in order - Chapter 1, Chapter 2, it is in order. Qur’an too speaks about people and their family lives but it speaks not in a particular sequence like the human story book. The Qur’an has its own unique style. It is a unique book. The people who cannot prove that Qur’an is a work of a human being then they finally come up and say that the Qur’an is the deception? They will not be able to point out a single deception in the whole Qur’an. People they believe in things for which they have got no proof or reason. And they fool themselves but stick into it. For example if I believe that this particular man, he is my enemy for which I have got no proof for which I have got no reason. But the moment that man comes in front of me, because of my false belief, I start behaving like an enemy. He reacts and too behaves like my enemy and then I satisfy myself see! I was right. This man is my enemy because he is behaving like my enemy. If it had not been for my initial false belief, that man would have never behaved like my enemy. So people believe in things without proof and reason and fool themselves by sticking to it. Qur’an says that the revelation goes in parallel with reason. Some people says that holy scriptures, they are beyond reasoning if they are beyond reasoning, then how can we decipher, which of the Holy Scriptures are true and which are false. The Qur’an infact encourages reasoning, it encourages a discussion. Many Muslims feel that you should avoid religious discussions. You should avoid getting into a dialogue where religion is concerned. And they are sadly mistaken. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16, Verse No. 125…Arabic… that is, ‘Invite all to the way of thy lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and argue with them and reason with them in the ways that are best and most gracious’. Qur’an encourages discussion, encourages reasoning. No wonder the Arabic words ‘Qalu’ which means they say is mentioned 332 times and the Arabic word ‘Qul’ which means say is also mentioned 332 times. This proves that the Qur’an encourages discussion. There is a theory known as exhausting the alternatives. The Qur’an says that this book, this book the Qur’an it is a revelation from God Almighty. If it is not, then what is it? You give the other alternative. Some may say it is a handiwork of Prophet Muhammad (May peace be upon him). It has been disproved. Some may say he lied for material gain Nauzubillah! That has been disproved whatever claims they have got, put forth and see whether they stand the test. This is the Qur’an it is a book. It is paper and ink where is it confirmed it requires an explanation. The Qur’an says it is from Allah. It is from God Almighty. If it is not where did it come from? In Surah Jathiyah, Ch. No. 45, Verse No. 1 & 2…Arabic… ‘Ha meem… This is a revelation of the book from Allah, the exalted in power full of wisdom’. And Qur’an mentions in several places, that this is a revelation from God Almighty. It is mentioned in Surah Anam, Ch. No. 6, Verse No. 19, in Surah Anam, Ch. No. 6, Verse No. 92, in Surah Yusuf, Ch. No. 12, Verse No. 1 & 2, in Surah Taha, Ch. No. 20, Verse No. 113, in Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 27, Verse No. 6, it is mentioned in Surah Sajdah, Ch. No. 32, Verse No. 1 to 3, it is mentioned in Surah Yasin, Ch. No. 36, Verse No. 1 to 3, in Surah Al-Zumar, Ch. No. 39, Verse No. 1, in Surah Jathiyah, Ch. No. 45, Verse No. 45, Verse No. 2, it is mentioned in Surah Rahman, Ch. No. 55, Verse No. 1 to 2, it is mentioned in Surah Waqiah, Ch. No. 56, Verse No. 77 and 80, it is mentioned in several places. It is mentioned in Surah Insan, Ch. No. 76, Verse No. 23, in several places the Qur’an says… ‘This is a revelation from God Almighty, if it is not, what is it?’ The scientific community, they have a different approach. If any one has a new theory, they say we do not have time to listen. And they have a reason for that. They say, that if you have a new theory do not bring it to me unless you have a way unless you have a test to prove your theory wrong. Unless you do not have a way or a test to prove your theory wrong, I do not have time to waste with you. It is called as the falsification test. That is the reason that Albert Einstein in the beginning of the century, when he gave a new theory that I feel the universe works like that along with the theory he gave 3 falsification test saying that if you think my theory is wrong do these three things and my theory will be proved wrong. The scientists, they examined it for 6 years and then said yes the theory of Albert Einstein is correct. That does not mean that he is great person. It means he deserves a listening. Qur’an has several such falsification tests. When you get into discussion in future, with anyone regarding religion, you have to ask him, that do you have a way to prove your religion? Believe me I have not come across any person who has told me that I have a way to prove my religion wrong. The Qur’an has, the Qur’an has several falsification tests. Some of them were only meant for the past. Some of them are applicable for all times. Let me give you a few examples. The Prophet had an uncle by the name of Abu Lahab. He was the staunchest opponent of the Prophet. Whenever the Prophet spoke to any stranger, he used to follow the Prophet, the moment the Prophet departed he used to go to the stranger and ask what did the Prophet tell you. Did he say it is day, it is night. Did he say it is black, it is white. He spoke exactly the opposite of what the Prophet said. And there is a full chapter Surah Lahab, Ch. No. 111, of the Qur’an which was revealed and it says that Abu Lahab and his wife, they will perish in hell. And it says indirectly that people will never except Islam. They will never become Muslims. This Surah was revealed 10 years before the death of Abu Lahab. In that span of time, many of his friends who were also opponents of Islam embraced Islam. But Abu Lahab did not embrace Islam. Since he used to lie always against the prophet the only thing he had to do to prove the Qur’an wrong was to say I am a Muslim. He did not have to behave like a Muslim. He did not have to act like a Muslim. He only had to say I am a Muslim and the Qur’an would have been proved wrong. It was so easy for him to prove the Qur’an wrong. Since he had lied before, he just had to say an additional lie. It is as though the prophet is telling him. You think I am your enemy, come on say this say I am a Muslim and I will be proved wrong. It was so easy. But he did not say it. It is proved that no human being can make such a statement in his book. It has to be a divine revelation. Another such example is in Surah Al-Baqarah, Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 94 and 95, which says that they say that the last home of Allah is with them alone. It is meant for them alone and no one else and the Qur’an continues. Tell them that if the last home for Allah is for them alone tell them to seek for death. They will never seek for death because of the sins they have committed. This was revealed during a discussion during a confrontation between the Jews and the Muslims and the Jews said that the last home of Allah that is the paradise is for the Jews alone and not for anyone else. So a verse was revealed saying that if you think that paradise is specially meant only for the Jews you call for death, seek for death. The only thing the Jews had to do at that time anyone of them any one of those Jews a single person would have come out and said I seek for death. I want to die not that he had to die not that he had to act only thing he had to do was seek for death. Say I want to die and the Qur’an would have been proved wrong. It has so easy to prove the Qur’an wrong but none of the Jews came forward and said that I seek for death. It is a falsification test. But now you may tell me, that all these tests are of the past how can we prove the Qur’an wrong today if you want to prove it wrong Qur’an has tests, falsification tests which are also meant for all times. For that time and for today and till eternity, the Qur’an mentions that many people claimed and said that the Qur’an is false. The Qur’an tells them it is mentioned in Surah Isra, Ch. No. 17, Verse No. 88, that say if all the humankind and jinn’s were to gather together to produce the like of the Qur’an they will bot be able to do it even if they helped each other. It is a challenge that if all the humankind and jinn’s gathered to produce the like of the Qur’an, they will not be able to do it even if they helped each other. The Qur’an is acclaimed as the best Arabic literature on the face of the earth by the Muslims and non-Muslims alike. The Arabic language of the Qur’an it is so clear so meaningful, intelligible, unsurpassable, miraculous. It does not deviate away from truth. Even though it rhymes unlike other poetry and literature. It is the highest order of rhetoric towards the revelation. The same verse of the Qur’an can convince even a common man as well as an intelligent person. It is a miraculous book. The same challenge that produce a recital like the Qur’an is given in Surah Tur, Ch. No. 52, Verse No. 34, which… later on God Almighty, he made the test easy for the people. In Surah Hud, Ch. No. 11, Verse No. 13, which says, ‘do they say he has forged it, tell them produce 10 such Surahs forged and let them call for help anyone besides Allah if they speak the truth. And no one could produce 10 Surahs exactly like the Qur’an. Allah (SWT) further simplifies the test and says in Surah Yunus, Ch. No. 10, Verse No. 38, that do they say he has forged it, say produce one Surah exactly forged like the Qur’an. One Surah forged exactly like the Qur’an and call to help anyone besides Allah, if you speak the truth and they could not do it. Then Allah (SWT) gives an easiest of easy of the test. The easiest falsification test in Surah Baqarah, Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 23 and 24, which says… Arabic… ‘And if you are in doubt as what we have revealed to our servant from time to time’ …Arabic… ‘Then produce a Surah somewhat similar to it’ …Arabic… ‘And call forth your helpless and witnesses if there are any besides Allah’ …Arabic… ‘If you speak the truth’…Arabic… ‘But you cannot’…Arabic… ‘And of a surety you cannot’…Arabic… ‘Then fear the fire whose fuel shall be men and stones’…Arabic… ‘Which is prepared for those who reject faith’. First the Qur’an gave a challenge - produce a recital like the Qur’an. Allah (SWT) simplified and said produce 10 Surah like the Qur’an. Then produce one Surah. Here it says produce one Surah somewhat similar. ‘Mim mislihi’, the other places the Qur’an says ‘Mislihi’. Here it says ‘Mim mislihi’ some what similar to the Qur’an and the non-Muslim Arabs they failed miserably. Arabic was at its peak when the Qur’an was revealed. Several, several pagan Arabs, they tried but they failed miserably. Some of their works is yet present in the historical books and it makes them a laughing stock. The challenge was there 1400 years ago, it is even there today. Today, there are more than 14 million Coptic Christians, Christians who are Arab by birth. Arabic is their mother tongue. This test is even for them. Even if they want to try and prove the Qur’an wrong, only thing they to do is produce one Surah somewhat similar. And if you analyze certain Surahs, certain chapters of the Qur’an, hardly containing a few words, but so far no one has been able to do it and no one will be able to do it in future InshaAllah. You may tell me that Arabic is not my mother tongue. So where do I fit in this test. Qur’an has a test even for the non Arabs. For people who do not know Arabic every one in the world if they want if they want to try and prove the Qur’an wrong, they can very well try their level best. I started my talk by quoting a verse from the Holy Qur’an from Surah Nisa, Ch. No. 4, Verse No. 82, which says…Arabic… ‘That do not they consider the Qur’an with care? Had it been from anyone besides Allah, there would have been many contradictions. There would have been many discrepancies. The Qur’an is saying that if you want to prove the Qur’an wrong, just point out a single contradiction. A single discrepancy, a single fault in the Qur’an and the Qur’an would be proved not to be the word of the God. it is so easy. I do know that there are hundreds of people who have pointed out mistakes and contradictions in the Qur’an. Believe me all of them 100 percent are either out of context, they are misquotations, mistranslation to deceive the people. So far no one has been able to take out a single contradiction, or a single mistake in the Qur’an. Suppose there is a maulana who is very well versed in the history of Islam but is not very well versed with the scientific knowledge. I do know of several maulanas who are well versed in Islam as well as science but suppose there is a maulana who is only well versed with the historical facts of Islam but is not well versed with science. And suppose you go to that maulana and tell him that here there is a scientific mistake in the Qur’an, just because he cannot clarify that scientific mistake the alleged scientific mistake in the Qur’an that does not mean that Qur’an is not the word of God because Qur’an says in Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No. 59, that ask the person who is well acquainted with those things, if you want to ask about the Qur’an if the Qur’an speaks about science ask a scientist and he will clarify what does the Qur’an say. Similarly suppose any one of the audience they point out an Arabic grammatical mistake in the Qur’an I am not an expert in arabic. I am just a student and if I cannot clarify that arabic mistake, if I am able to Alhamdulillah, but if I am not able to clarify that arabic mistake since I am not able to clarify that arabic mistake since I am not an expert that does not mean that person who is an expert in the field of Arabic. So for no one has been able to take out a fault in the Qur’an. And InshaAllah no one will ever be able to take out a fault in the Qur’an. After these logical explanations no human being who believe in a God can say that Qur’an is not from God. those people who do not believe in God Almighty, if they say it is different. But a person who does not know who is not a Muslim but who believes in God after producing these proofs even he cannot say it is not from God. The only third basic assumption remains is that it is a divine origin. It is from God Almighty. It is from Allah (SWT) regarding the atheist those who do not believe in God all those atheist that are present here I would like to congratulate them. My special congratulation to the atheist because they are using their intellect. They are using their reasoning power. Most of the people in the world who believe in a God they are doing blind belief. He is a Christian because his father is a Christian, he is a Hindu because his father is a Hindu. Some Muslims are Muslims because their father is a Muslim. They are doing blind belief. This atheist even though he may belong to a religious background, to a religious family he thinks that how is it possible that the people around me they are worshipping a God which has got human qualities, qualities same as me. How can I believe in such a God so he says there is no God. He rejects, some Muslims may ask me. Zakir, how come you are congratulating an atheist. I am congratulating the atheist because he has said the first part of the Shahadah. The Islamic creed… ‘La ilaha’ there is no God. Now the only part remaining is ‘Illallah’ but Allah, which we shall do InshaAllah He has argued with the first part of the Shahadah that there is no God. He does not believe in a God, which has got human qualities. So it is our duty now to prove to him about the one and true God Allah (SWT). The moment an atheist tells me I do not believe in God, I will ask him a question - what is the definition of God? What do you mean by God and he has to answer. You know why? Suppose I tell you, that this is a pen. If I say this is a pen for you to say it is not pen, you have to know the meaning of a pen, you should know the definition of a pen, you may not know what this is, but if I say this is a pen and if you have to say this is not a pen, you should at least know the meaning of the pen. The definition of a pen. In the same way if an atheist says there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God, and the atheist they tell me that see these people around me what they worship, what Gods they worship. It is their own creation, they have got human qualities, therefore I do not believe in such Gods. Because the concept of God that these people have is a wrong concept. Since you reject the wrong concept even I as a Muslim reject these wrong concepts of God ‘La ilaaha’. But the moment I agree with him, I have to also tell him the true concept of Allah(SWT). Suppose there is a non-Muslim who believes that Islam is a ruthless religion. It is merciless religion, it is a religion connected with terrorism, it is a religion which does not give rights to the women. It is a religion which conflicts with science. And if he rejects Islam, I will tell him I too reject such a religion which is merciless, which is ruthless, which does not give rights to the women, which is unscientific, at the same time, I have to correct the concept of Islam and tell him that Islam is a religion which is merciful, it has got nothing to do with terrorism. It gives equal rights to the women. It does not conflict with science, it conciliates with science. Then InshaAllah the non-Muslim will accept the religion of Islam. It is our duty to correct the concept. In the same manner I have to correct the concept of God Almighty, of Allah (SWT) to the atheist. The best definition that I can give of Allah (SWT) of God Almighty from the holy Qur’an is Surah Ikhlaas, Ch. No. 112, which says …Arabic… ‘Allah the absolute and eternal’, meaning, he is absolute, he is eternal. He has no beginning, he has no end, he is the one who helps other people but does not require help…Arabic… ‘Allah, the absolute and eternal’…Arabic… ‘He begets not nor is he begotten’, he has no father and mother. He has got no children, no begotten children…Arabic… ‘And there is nothing unto him like in this world’. There is nothing comparable to him in this world. The moment you can compare Allah (SWT) to anyone, he is not Allah (SWT) …Arabic… this is a four line definition of Allah (SWT). If anyone who you claim to be God Almighty, who you claim to be Allah (SWT) fits in this four line definition, we Muslims, we have got no objection to accept him as God Almighty. To accept him as Allah (SWT) what… which are your candidates, bring your candidates one by one. Some may say, that Bhagwaan Rajneesh Osho, he is God Almighty. Let us put him to test. The first criteria is…Arabic… ‘Say he is Allah one and only’, Rajneesh - we have several people like Rajneesh. We have plenty of them in our country, but still a follower of Rajneesh will say no, Rajneesh is unique, he is the only one. Okay give him a chance, okay let him pass the first test. No problem, the second test is…Arabic… ‘Allah the absolute and eternal’. He does not require any help. He is the person who helps other people. Rajneesh we know very well, he was suffering from ‘Asthma’ from ‘Diabetes’. He could not cure his own disease, what will he cure your disease and my disease. When he went to America, he was imprisoned by the American government, imagine God being imprisoned. He could not free himself, how will he free you and me when we are in trouble and then he gives a statement that they gave me poison, slow poisoning. Imagine God can be poisoned? Put him to test, the Archbishop of Greece said that if you do not throw this godman Rajneesh out we will destroy his houses and the houses of his disciples and the president had to throw him out of Greece. Is he absolute and eternal? The third test…Arabic… ‘He begets not nor is he begotten’, I do not know how many children’s he had but I do know that he had a father and a mother. He was born on the 11th of December 1931 in Jabalpur and he died on the 19th of January 1990. But when you go to his center in Pune, there it is mentioned ‘Bhagwaan Rajneesh - never born, never died, but visited the earth from the 11th of December 1931 to 19th January 1990’. They did not mention that he was not allowed to enter 21 countries of the world. He was not given the visa. He tried to enter he could not enter 21 countries. Imagine God is visiting the world, God is visiting the world, he cannot visit 21 countries. Is this the God you believe in? And the last test…Arabic… ‘And there is nothing, there is nothing like him in this world, there is nothing. There is nothing comparable, the moment you can think what God is, you can draw his figure he is not God. We know very well that Rajneesh, he had long hair, he had a big flowing beard which was white in color, he wore a robe, the moment you can think you can draw a picture of God, he is not God…Arabic… If you say that God Almighty suppose is a thousand times as strong as Arnold Schwarzenneger, do you know Arnold Schwarzenneger? He was crowned Mr. Universe - the strongest man in the world. If you say that God Almighty is a thousand times as strong as Arnold Schwarzenneger or Dara Singh or may be King Kong, he is not God. The moment you can compare him with anyone whether a thousand times. whether a million times, whether ten million times. The moment you compare him with anything, he is not God…Arabic… ‘There is nothing unto him like in this world, I leave it upto the distinguished audience, the intellectual audience to decide for themselves that whichever God they are worshipping, let them put their God to test. To this 4 test of the Qur’an, if the God you are worshipping, if they pass these 4 test, we Muslims, we have got no objection in accepting him as God Almighty. Otherwise, you can decide for yourself. After giving these proofs some atheists they may agree that now we believe in such a God. But most of the atheist will not agree. They will say we do not just believe in such definitions we believe in something, which is ultimate. We believe in science. I do agree today is the age of science and technology so lets put the scientific knowledge that we have. Let us apply it to the Qur’an. The atheists they say this is the world of science and technology, we do not believe in such Gods, prove to us scientifically the existence of God. Then we will believe in it. The first thing I would like to ask a question to these atheists or any educated man who does not believe in a God and who believes only in science, that can you tell me the first person who will be able to tell you the mechanism of an unknown object? There is an object, an unknown object, an unknown machine, which no one in the world has ever seen before or heard of before. Now this machine is brought in front of that atheist or the educated man who believes in science that who will be the first person who will be able to tell you the mechanism of this unknown object. I have asked this question to hundreds of atheist, after little bit of thinking he replies may be the creator, the person who has created the object, some may say the inventor. Some may say the manufacturer, some may say the producer. Whatever they will say believe me it will be somewhat similar. Either the creator, the maker, the manufacturer, the inventor, I have asked this question to hundreds of atheists and all have given me somewhat similar answer. Whatever answer they give me I accept it. I only keep it in my mind. It will be somewhat similar. The next person may be the person whom the creator has told or may be that someone does a research but the first person will be the creator, the manufacturer, the inventor or the producer. I ask the atheist who believes in science how did this world come into existence? So he tells me that initially the full universe was one mass the primary nebula, then there was a big bang, the secondary separation, which gave rise to galaxies. And it formed the stars and the planet in which we live. I ask him, where did you get all this fairy tales from? He says no! These are not fairy tales, these are established facts, we have got proof for this. I will say where did you learn? When did you learn all these fairy tales? He says no! These are scientific facts. They are not fairy tales, we learnt it yesterday, yesterday in science means 50 years back, may be 100 years back. Yesterday and in 1973 a couple of scientists got the noble prize for discovering the big bang theory. So I tell okay you say it is a fact, I accept it but what do you have to say about what is mentioned in the Qur’an 1400 years ago, it is mentioned in Surah Al-Ambiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 30…Arabic… ‘Do not the unbelievers see’ that the heavens and the earth were joined together and we clove them asunder. My Qur’an, which was revealed 1400 years ago, there are enough historical proofs to show it was a book which was present 1400 years ago, how come my Qur’an says it speaks about your big bang theory? It speaks in a nutshell. You say it was discovered yesterday, 50 years back, 100 years back, who could have mentioned this in the Qur’an. So the atheist tells me may be somebody guessed. I do not challenge him, I do not challenge him, I proceed. The world we live in what is the shape? He tells me, previously people thought the world was flat and people were afraid to venture too far lest they would fall over. But now we have enough scientific proof to show it is not flat, it is spherical. When did you learn? Yesterday! 100 years back, 200 years back in science. And if he has a good knowledge he replies that the first person who proved that the world was spherical was Sir Francis Drake in 1597. I pose him a question, analyze what the Qur’an in Surah Luqman, Ch. No. 31, Verse No. 29, it says that… ‘It is Allah who merges the night into day and merges the day into night’. Merging means a slow and a gradual change. The night slowly and gradually changes into day and the day slowly and gradually changes to night. This phenomenon is not possible if the world is flat. It is only possible if the world is spherical. A similar message is given in Surah Al-Zumar, Ch. No. 39, Verse No. 5, that… ‘The night overlaps the day and the day overlaps the night’. The Arabic word used is ‘Tanwara’ as though you coil a turban round the head, coiling, this coiling, this overlapping of the night over the day and the day over the night is only possible if the earth is spherical. It is not possible if the earth is flat. You tell me it was discovered recently. Can you account for who could have mentioned this in the Qur’an 1400 years ago. May be it is a good guess, it is a wild guess, it is a wild guess but it was a guess I do not challenge him, I proceed. The light that we have the light that we obtain from the moon. Where does it come from. So he will tell me that previously we thought that the light of the moon was its own light, but today after science has advanced we have come to know that the light of the moon, its not its own light but it is a reflected light of the sun. I will ask him a question that it is mentioned in this Qur’an in Surah Al-Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No. 61… ‘Blessed is he who has created the constellation and placed there in a lamp and a moon which has reflected light. The Arabic word for moon is ‘Qamar’ and the light described there is ‘Munir’ which is borrowed light or ‘Noor’ which is a reflection of light. The Qur’an mentions that the light of the moon is reflected light, you say you discovered it today how come it is mentioned in the Qur’an 1400 years ago? He will pause for a time. He will not reply immediately and then he may say may be, may be it is a fluke! I do not argue with him for sake just for the sake of discussion I say okay you say it is a guess I do not argue with you. Let us proceed, I ask him that when I was in school I passed my tenth standard in 1982. I had learned that the sun was stationary, the sun revolved but it was stationery so he asked me does this what the Qur’an says. I say no! this is what I learned in school, is it true? He says no. Today science is advanced, recently we came to know that the sun besides revolving it also rotates it is not stationary it rotates about its axis and if you have an equipment you can have the image of the sun on a tabletop. The sun has got black spots and it takes about 25 days for these black spots to complete one rotation. Does the Qur’an say it is stationary? He starts laughing Ha! Ha! I said no! the Qur’an in Surah Ambiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 33…Arabic… ‘It is Allah who has created the night and the day, the sun and the moon, each one rotating about its own axis. It revolves and rotates, each one rotating about its own axis. You tell me who could have mentioned this scientific fact in the Qur’an which was discovered recently? He is silent and after a long pause he replies that see the Arabs were very well advanced in the field of astronomy so may be some Arabs told your Prophet and he mentioned this in his book. I do agree, I do agree that the Arabs were very well advanced in the field of astronomy but I remind him that his dates are very poor. The Qur’an was revealed centuries before the Arabs became advanced in the field of Astronomy. So it is from the Qur’an which the Arabs learned about astronomy. It is not the vice-versa. So Qur’an mentions about several scientific facts. The Qur’an says regarding the field of Geography regarding water cycle. It says in Surah Zumar, Ch. No. 39, Verse No. 21, that… ‘Sees not thou that it is Allah who sends down rain from the top, from the sky and leads it into the sources of the earth and causes fields of various colors to grow’. Qur’an speaks about the water cycle in great detail. It says in several other verses that the water from the ocean rises up, it forms into clouds. The clouds condense, there is lightning and rain falls from the clouds. It is mentioned in several places in the Qur’an, it is mentioned in Surah Muminun, Ch. No. 23, Verse No. 18. It is mentioned in Surah Rum, Ch. No. 30, Verse No. 24, it is mentioned in Surah Nur, Ch. No. 24, Verse No. 43, it is mentioned in Surah Rum, Ch. No. 30, Verse No. 48. In several places the Qur’an describes in detail this water cycle which was discovered by Bernard Palacy in 1580. Only in the year 1580 was this present coherent water cycle discovered. Who could have mentioned in the Qur’an, 1400 years ago? In the field of Geology that atheist will tell you that there is a phenomenon known as ‘Folding’. The earth that we live on, the earth’s crust is very thin. These mountain ranges due to the phenomenon of ‘Folding’ prevents the earth from shaking. It gives stability to the earth. I tell him that the Qur’an mentions in Surah Naba, Ch. No. 78, Verse No. 6 and 7 that we have made the earth as an expanse …Arabic… ‘And the mountains as stakes’. The Qur’an says that the mountains are made as stakes as pegs and this is the description which the scientist gave us today that like the text pegs. The mountains are like text peg and the Qur’an gives more information in Surah Al-Ambiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 31. ‘It says that we have set on the earth, mountains standing firm lest it would shake’. Qur’an says that we have made the mountains to prevent the shaking of the earth. The atheist will tell as that even though the salt water and the sweet water though meet they do not mix, they do not mix. They remain separate, I will point out to him the verse in the Qur’an, from Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No. 53, which says… ‘It is Allah who has created two bodies of free flowing water. One sweet and palpable and the other salt and bitter and between them, he has made a barrier which is forbidden to be trespassed’. A similar message is given in Surah Rahmaan, Ch. No. 55, Verse No. 19 and 20 that… ‘He has made two bodies of water between them is a barrier which is forbidden to be trespassed’. Today science tells that salt water and sweet water do not mix. There is a partition. He may tell me that may be some Arab, may be some Arab went underwater and he saw the partition and mentioned in the Qur’an. They fail to realize that this is an unseen barrier. The Qur’an says ‘Barzak’ an unseen barrier and this phenomenon is very much evident in Cape Town, that is the southern most tip of Africa. Even in Egypt when the Nile flows into the Mediterranean Sea. And the best example is the Gulf Stream which runs for thousands of miles. Both the waters are present but they do not mix. The Qur’an says in Surah Ambiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 30…Arabic… ‘We have created every living things from water, will they not they believe’ …Arabic… Qur’an says… ‘We have created every living thing from water’. Will you not then believe. Imagine in the deserts of Arabia where there is scarcity of water who would have ever thought that every living creature is made of water. If they had to guess, they would have guessed everything but water and today science tells us that cytoplasm which is the main constituent of the cell it contains 80% of water. And every living creature contains 50 to 90 percent water. Who could have mentioned this fact in the Qur’an 1400 years ago? And the atheist is mum does not give you a reply. There is a theory of ‘Probability’ that suppose there are two options and out of those two options one is right and one is wrong. The chances that if you make a wild guess, you will get the right answer, it will be one out of two. It will be 50% for example if I toss a coin, the chances that I will get a right answer is one out of two. It is 50%. If I toss a coin the second time the chances I will be correct the second time is one out of two it is 50%. But the chances that I will be correct in both the tosses first and second will be one out of two into one out of two that is one fourth or 50 percent of 50 percent, that is 25 percent. If I throw a dice. The dice has got six sides. 1,2,3,4,5,6. The chance if I make a wild guess, I will be right is one out of six. The chance I will be correct all three times, the first toss, the second toss and the third throw the chances I will be correct all three times, is 1 out of 2 into 1 out of 2 into 1 out of 6. Will be 1 upon 24. Lets apply this theory on ‘Probability’ to the Qur’an. Suppose, we agree for the sake of argument Possible, a person gets all the matter that is mentioned in the Qur’an, may be somebody has guessed. Let us put the theory of ‘Probability’ to the Qur’an. The Qur’an says that the world is spherical. What different shapes can a person think of the earth? Some may it is flat, some may say it is triangular, some may say it is quadrangular, some may say it has 5 sides, pentagonal, some may say hexagonal, some may say heptagonal, some may say octagonal, some may say spherical. Let us say assume that you can think of about 30 different shapes of the Earth. The chances that that if any one makes a wild guess, he will be right are 1 upon 30. The light of the moon. It can be own light or it can be reflected light. The chances that any one makes a wild guess, he will be right are 1 upon 2. But the chances that both his guesses that the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected, both are correct is 1 upon 30 into 1 upon 2 that is 1 upon 60. In the desert of Arabia, what can a person think that a human being can be made of, that the living creature be made of? A person in the desert may think, it is made of sand, may be it is made of wood, may be it is made of aluminum, of iron, of copper, of oil, of water, of hydrogen, of oxygen, you can make at least 10 thousand guesses and the last that any one will guess in the deserts of Arabia is water. But the Qur’an says that every living being is made of water. In Surah Al-Ambiya, Chapter No. 21, Verse No. 30, it says in Surah Nur, Chapter No. 24, Verse No 45, that… ‘Every animal is made up of water’. And Surah Furqaan, Chapter No. 25, Verse No. 54, ‘Every human being is made of water’. If you make a wild guess, the chances that you will be right is 1 upon 10 thousand. The chances that anyone will make 3 guesses and all 3 will be right, that the earth is spherical, that the light of the moon is reflected light, and every living being is made of water will be 1 upon 30 into 1 upon 2 into 1 upon 10 thousand which is 1 upon 60 thousand. It works out to .00017 percentage. I leave it upto you the audience to decide for your selves that if you apply the theory of probability to the Qur’an. The Qur’an mentions hundreds of facts, which were unknown at that time. If anyone made a guess, the chances that all the hundred would be right, it will be somewhere very very close to zero and in the theory o probability, it will be zero. Some may pose the question, that Zakir, are you using scientific knowledge to prove the Qur’an? I would like to remind that Qur’an is not the book of science ‘s-c-i-e-n-c-e’, it is a book of signs ‘s-i-g-n-s’, Qur’an has got 6000 signs, Ayats more than 6000. Out of which more than a thousand have scientific knowledge. I am not using science to prove the Qur’an right because to prove anything right, we have to use a yardstick. Something which is ultimate. For us Muslims, the ultimate is the Qur’an. Ultimate yardstick is the Qur’an. Qur’an is the Furqaan. It is the criteria to judge right from the wrong. But for that atheist, for an educated man who does not believe in God, for him, science is the ultimate. It is his yardstick. So I am using his yardstick to prove whatever Qur’an has said. And we know very well that many times science takes a U turn therefore I have only spoken about scientific facts which have got evidence and proof. I have not talked about theories, which are based on assumptions. I am using his yardstick to say that whatever your yardstick has said recently 100 years back, it has already been mentioned in the Qur’an and finally we come to a common agreement that the Qur’an is more superior than science. Qur’an mentions about several scientific facts. Qur’an says in Surah Ta Ha, Chapter No. 20, Verse No. 53 that… ‘The plant have been created in pairs’ which you discovered recently. It says in Surah Rad, Chapter No. 13, Verse No. 3, that… ‘The fruits are created in pairs’. In the field of geology, it is mentioned in Surah Anam Chapter No. 6, Verse No. 38, that ‘The animals and birds live in community’, which science has discovered recently. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, Chapter No. 16, Verse No. 68 and 69, ‘It is the female bee which goes out and collects the honey’. It is not the male bee which science has discovered recently. These bees, they describe the pathway of the new garden they have found by the flapping of the wings. It is mentioned in the Qur’an, which we discovered recently. The Qur’an says in Surah Ankabut, Chapter No. 29, Verse No. 41, that… ‘The house of the spider is fragile’. Besides describing the physical nature, of the web of the spider, it is also describing about the relationship, the family relation in which many a times the female spider kills the male spider. The Qur’an says in Surah Naml, Chapter No. 27, Verse No. 17 and 18 that ants are talking to one another. You may think, it is a fairy tale book. What! Ants are talking to one another, Today science tells us, the insect or the animal, which has the closest resemblance to the lifestyle of the human beings, it is the ants. It buries the dead. It has a very higher system of communication. It has market place etc. Qur’an also speaks about the medicine. It says in Surah Nahl, Chapter No. 16, Verse No. 68 and 69, that you get the honey from the belly of the bee which we discovered today and in the honey, there is a healing for man kind. Today science tells us in the honey, there are antiseptic properties. No wonder that Russian soldiers used it to cover their wounds which left very little scar tissue. It is used in the treatment of certain allergies. Qur’an speaks about physiology. Its says in Surah Nahl, Chapter No. 16, Verse No. 66 and Surah Muminun, Chapter No. 23, Verse No. 21. It describes the blood circulation and the production of milk. And 600 years after the Qur’an speaks about blood circulation, Ibn Nafeez discovered it and 1000 years after the revelation of the Qur’an, did William Harvey made it famous to the western world. Qur’an speaks about Embryology. The first verses of the Qur’an to be revealed were from Surah Alaq or Surah Iqra. It says….Arabic… ‘Read, recite or proclaim in the name of thy lord who created’. Who created the human being from some thing, which clings. A leech like substance. This and several other embryological data which is given in Qur’an was taken to Professor Keith Moore who happen to be are of the highest authority in the field of Embryology. He lives in Toronto in Canada. And was asked the question. Whatever matter the Qur’an speaks about embryology, is it true? Some Arabs followed the guidelines of the Qur’an - if you are in doubt ask the person who knows so they asked Professor Keith Moore. Is it true? He said that majority. Majority of the matter in the Qur’an is 100 percent perfect matching with the latest discoveries of embryology but there are certain statements in the Qur’an, which I cannot comment on because, I myself do not know it. And one such verse was this that we have created the human being from something, which clings - a leech like substance. He went and got a photograph of a leech and examined in his laboratory in a very… under a powerful microscope the early stages of an embryo and it exactly matched with the photograph. Then he said, whatever the Qur’an mentions, its perfectly right and whatever new data he got from the Qur’an, he incorporated it into his book- The developing human. And took out a 3rd edition for which he got, the best medical book written by any person in that year. And he said that whatever the Qur’an mentions, all the things about embryology, we discovered recently. It is one of the latest branch of medicine. It cannot be written by any human being, it has to be of divine origin. The Qur’an says in Surah Tariq, Chapter No. 86, Verses 5 to 7. It says ‘Does no man think from what he is created? He is created from a drop emitted from between his backbone and rib. And today we know, that the genital organs, testes and the ovaries, during the embryonic age, they develop from where the kidney is placed - between the backbone and the 11th and the 12th rib. The Qur’an says in Surah Najm, Chapter no 53, Verse no 45 and 46, and Surah Qiyamah, Chapter No. 75, Verse No. 37 to 39, it says that it is the male which is responsible for the sex of the child which we discovered recently. The Qur’an says that the embryo is covered that the fetus is covered in three layers of darkness, which is confirmed today, the Qur’an describes the embryonic stages in great detail. In Surah Muminum, Chapter No. 23, Verse 12 to 14, and in Surah Hajj, Chapter No. 23, Verse No. 5, it says that ‘The human being have been created from a minute quantity of liquid’. From something which clings, a leech like substance, then made into a ‘mudgah’ a chewed like substance, then made into ‘izamaan’ that is bones, then clothed with ‘Laham’ that is flesh Qur’an describe the embryonic stages in great detail. The Qur’an also mention in Surah Sajdah, Chapter No. 32, Verse No. 9 and Surah Insan, Chapter No. 76, Verse No. 2, that… ‘It is Allah who gives you the faculty of hearing and sight’ and today medical knowledge tells us, that hearing comes first. It is developed completely by the 5th month of pregnancy. And then the eyes is split open by the 7th month of pregnancy. Qur’an gives the reply in Surah Qiyamah, Chapter No. 75, Verse No.s 3 to 4, that when the question is posed, how will Allah (SWT) assemble the bones on the day of judgement? Allah replies that we will not only be able to assemble your bone we even assemble your very fingertips. Qur’an is saying, Allah (SWT) can also assemble your fingertips. What does it mean? In 1880, Sir Golt, he described the method of finger printing, which today we use it to identify people. No two fingerprints even in a million people are identical. Qur’an speaks about finger printing method 1400 years ago. There are several examples of science, if you want to know more details, about the scientific knowledge, which is mentioned in the Qur’an, you can refer to my videocassette ‘Qur’an and Modern Science Conflict or Conciliation’ which, is available for sale in the foyer. I would like to give one more scientific fact that there was a scientist in Thailand by the name of Professor Thagada Shaun. Who did a great deal of research in the field of pain receptors. Previously science thought that only the brain was responsible. Only the brain was responsible for the pain. But recently we have discovered, that there are pain receptor present in the skin, which is responsible, Qur’an mentions Surah Nisa, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 54, that as to those who reject our signs, we will cast them into the hell fire and as often as the skin is roasted, we shall change it with new skin so that they shall feel the pain. Indirectly Qur’an is saying, there is something in the skin, which is responsible for the pain. It is giving an indication about the pain receptor. At first Professor Tagada Shaun could not believe. On verification when he realized that this book is speaking about pain receptor, 1400 years ago, he embraced Islam in a medical conference at Cairo and said ‘La ilaaha illallah Muhammad ur Rasool Allah’. That there is no God but Allah and Muhammad, May peace be upon him is the messenger of Allah.
    Then you pose the question to the atheist - who could have mentioned all the scientific facts in the Qur’an? The only reply that he can give you, is the same, which he gave you earlier. Who is the person that can tell you the mechanism of an unknown object, It is the creator, It is the inventor. It is the maker, It is the producer. In the same way, the person who can mention all these facts in the Qur’an, is the maker the producer, is the creator of the Universe and its contents which we call in English language as God and more appropriately in the Arabic language as Allah, Francis beacon has rightly said that little knowledge of science makes you an atheist but an in-depth study of science makes you a believer in God Almighty. No wonder today, scientists are eliminatory the model of God but they are not eliminatory God they are eliminatory models of God La ilaaha but not God illalah. I would like to end my talk by giving the translation of the second verses I quoted in the beginning of my talk, from Surah Fussilat, Chapter No. 41, Verse No. 53 which says…Arabic… Soon we shall show them our signs in the furthest regions of the horizons and into their soul until it is clear to them, that this is the truth. Waakirudawaana avil hamdulillahi rabbil aalamin.
    Dr. Mohammed Naik: - Thank you, Jazak Allah Khair for the very rapt … Kind and kind attention you all have shown during the course of the lecture. Now we come to the second part of our session, and we hope to have a similar, in fact a better interests of you all that is the question and answer session.
    GLIMPSES OF QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION
    Q - Arun Shourie says that in the Qur’an in Chapter 4, Verses 11 and 12, if you add up the different parts of inheritance given to the heirs, the sum total is more than one. Therefore Arun Shourie claims that the author of the Qur’an does not know math’s. Please clarify.
    Q - I was a Christian and I embraced Islam in 1980 how can I convince my parents who are yet Christians that prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, did not copy the Qur’an from the Bible.
    Q - Dr. Zakir is it not contradictory that the Qur’an calls Iblis and Angel in one place and the jinn at another place?
    Q - Now we believe that God is super natural and we can do everything. A non-Muslim friend of mine has a question, why is it that God does not assumes a human form. Can you please explain?
    (Dr. Zakir) There are a thousand things I can list which God Almighty can’t do. God is not super natural. God cannot do everything. God cannot take human forms.
    Q - And one Muslim friend also told me that Islam believes that Jesus was born of a virgin and he was born by the power of Holy Spirit. And he was not born in the natural way. Now this proves that Jesus Christ if he is not God greater than Muhammad.
    (Dr. Zakir) If suppose a person does not have a father and you claim because he doesn’t have a father, he is God Almighty, Qur’an gives the answer in Surah Imran, Ali - Imran, Chapter No. 3, Verse No. 59 - the similitude of Jesus in front of Allah is the same as Adam. They were not created from dust and said ‘be’ and it was Adam may peace be upon him had no father. He had no mother. If you say that a person who has no father is God Almighty, Adam may peace be upon him is a bigger God.
    (Dr. Muhammad) you know that Arun Shourie has written several articles and books against Islam. Why don’t you challenge him to a public debate?
    (Q) ... Hindi...
    (Dr. Zakir) If you read the Vedas, it is mentioned in the Yajurveda, Chapter No. 3, Verse no 32. ‘Na Tasya Pratima Asti’. ‘Of that God, you cannot make any image’. The Yajurveda says in Chapter No. 32, Verse No. 3, God is formless and bodiless. The same Yajurveda, Chapter No. 40, Verse No 8, says God has got no image has got no body. Same Yajurveda, Chapter No. 2, Verse No. 9, says that all those who worship the uncreated things they are in darkness and it continues.
    … Sanskrit….


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    Default Re: Is there any REAL proof that islam is the right religion ?

    oh bro the formattign is horrible, can u kinda space it out a bit :ummokay:


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    Default Re: Yes Allah The Almightyis the one and True god.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackwhite View Post
    Assalam-u-alaikum,brother satan is taking you away from you religion don't let this take place you are the member of the muslim ummah(nation).Yes I do have answer to your question.read my email...read this

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    I have to agree with lolwhatever, blackandwhite

    That post is virtually impossible to read!!!
    If you want others to read your posts and learn from them, you may wish to consider
    a) shorter posts, and
    b) a more readable lay-out (parapgraphs, highlighted texts etc)


    Sometimes, rather than copying and pasting, reading a text and presenting the contents in your own words can be more reader-friendly.

    Otherwise all your best effort may be in vain.
    (Hope you don't mind me saying this ... )

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    May God help me.
    Amen.

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