yeah, do these laws go in effect for non muslims?

If you read what brother Ansar's post. I guess it is still applicable.

"The punishment would be obligated if the act was witnessed publicly and became known to the public since the society must be protected from the spread of immorality so the punishment serves as both deterrence and denunciation of the action"

well yeah, but i always trhought that shar'iah had been for muslims only.

like once i asked a muslim friend [whom my friends and i call mimi] about what muslims thought about homoseuxality, and she goes "well, in islam they are to be killed" and i said "Whoa, you're not going to kill me are you" and she goes "relax, only muslims are to follow shariah. in a true islamic country you being a chrisitan wouldn't have to follow it."

lol no what if the kaffir was to commit the act! Obviously, they can't repent!

Let me reliterate what I tried to convey. I will highlight the part for you.

How would you protect the society if non-muslim are allowed to get away without any consequences (mayube given another chance call it their repentance)) but to say "it is not applicable because they are non-muslim" will be a misnomer.

What I am guessing (as this I am not knowledgable on that field) and maybe brother Ansar can help, that their are part of the shariah that applies to the non-muslim but not all.

However I do believe the shariah punishment discussed above is applicable to the non-muslim.

well, idk, because on one site, it said how in a true islamic nation, christians could set up their own courts and such. and in malaysia shar'iah only applies to muslims. so hmm.. ansar, care to answer!! lol

Okay, I'll try to clear up this confusion.

The Islamic state has the duty of protecting the society from the spread of evil. Non-muslims are free to do what they want so long as they are not harming the society around them. So if a non-muslim chooses to drink alcohol or eat pork, they are entirely free to do so, that is their private issue. Concerning Non-muslims living in an Islamic state:

They are citizens. Their rights, their lives, property, and honor are inviolable. They have the right to employment, education, and commerce. They cannot, however, hold certain government posts that would place them in charge of the religious affairs of the Muslims.

They have the right to practice their religion among themselves as they like without molestation. They have the right to civil courts under their own religious jurisdiction to handle affairs such as marriage, divorce, inheritance, and disputes among themselves.

They must abide by the criminal code of the Muslims. However, they are allowed to engage in those matters deemed lawful in their religion that are unlawful in Islam, like the consumption of pork and alcohol, provided they keep this among themselves and do not make it accessible to the Muslim population. (SOURCE)

So the general rule is that as long as they are not spreading the behavior that is deemed by Islam to be sinful then they are free to do engage in what they want. There will be no state intervention if they confine their sexual deviation to the privacy of their own homes so that they are not flaunting it in public in any way.

So if they commit an act such as homosexuality publicly, then it is no different from the muslims because they are spreading this licentious behavior in the community.
Shari'ah refers to the entire constitution of Islam, ALL its laws and rulings. So from the Shari'ah are the laws of how non-muslims are to live in the Islamic state and what they can and cannot do. Criminal law is part of Shari'ah and obviously all perpetrators of crimes will be punished, muslim or non-muslim. There is an entire subject of Islamic law devoted to the rulings related to non-muslims living in the Islamic state (Ahkâm Ahl Adh-Dhimmah). So from this perspective the statement "shari'ah is for muslims only" would be incorrect since many of its rulings deal with how non-muslims are to live in the Islamic state.
However, if by this statement it is meant that non-muslims are not obliged to adhere to Islamic religous practices, then this is undoubtedly true.
As shown in the quotation I provided earlier, this is true. They can have their own courts that deal with civil, marital or other issues specific to their community. But criminal law is an affair that involves the Islamic state.

Regards

How did it come to be that some scholars believe that people other than of the Abrahamic Faiths and the Maajus can not be citizens of the Islamic state and others believe they do...Ibn Qaiyyim says they can and Muft Muhammad Shafi Usmaani, says so too that even though 9:29 is pointing at jews and Christians it is referring to everybody

Because Jews and Christians are Mushrikeen too, in terms of aqeedah. So there is a legitimate difference of opinion here, which we must acknowledge.

Im totally confused about things, this whole public and private matter.

like people would be allowed to commit adultry as long as they do it in a place that the people around them wouldnt be witnesses, so they can have like ***** houses and stuff

And people can be drunk as long as again noone sees them?

No, as long as their immorality does not SPREAD to the rest of society and no one knows about it. The condition for witnesses is only for the Hadd (prescribed) punishment of stoning for an individual who commits adultery.

So of course no one would be allowed to run such houses, if the government finds out it would be shut down and severe discretionary (ta'zîr) punishments would be delivered to those involved.
Well if no one sees them, how can anyone catch them to punish them?
They are sinning for sure, but since they are keeping their sin a secret, Allah swt will punish them, not the Islamic state. If it becomes public that they drank alcohol then they will get the prescribed punishment of 40 lashes.

Here's something to think about - if you happen to see someone take a sip of alcohol and no one else saw them, you are actually encouraged not to make it public but conceal their sin so that Allah swt will conceal your sin on the Day of Judgement. However, you can still advise them and warn them to repent sincerely to Allah swt.

As for non-muslims, they can drink alcohol so long as they keep such substances amongst themselves and do not make them accessible to the public nor harm others in any way.

Ok I got a question, its real quick,

I always hear everyone say tha if a person leaves Islam and keeps it to themselves then theres no punishment

But how can they keep it to themselves? Because they wont go mosque, they would eat pork and so on, so when someone asks the person lets go mosque and he is says 'no' everyday then the people would find out.

So what is meant by not telling anyone?

You can sort of fake it. i have a ton of agnostic friends and atheist friends who go to church simply to satisfy their family. i even have an atheist muslim friend who goes to mosque to satisfy his family. now of course that sort of is wrong lol, but no one will ever know they left islam. and i have an agnostic friend who used to be messianic jewish, and she still doesn't eat pork. so yeah.. i think it is much easier to be an ex muslim then we think lol. --- ex muslim who has the site --- , has family that are mullah's [whatever that is] and they visit all the time.. yet they still don't know that he is an ex muslim! lol

wow then they must not use the computer a lot lol.

People might feel proud of that, but this is one of the worst things a person can do. The hypocrites will be the in the lowest pits of the hellfire, because they had the message right infront of them while pretending to follow it.

We don't practise this religion for the people, but for fear of the Creator so that we may gain His Mercy, and be rewarded with paradise insha'Allaah. And Allaah Almighty knows best.



Peace.