If in any matters has my statement has created conflicts , I withdraw it. It was of no intention to hurt any beliefs.
As for the argument ALLAH TALLAH knows best

Don't worry Sister. There really does not seem to be any conflict. It is more of a simple case of us Humans not being able to understand each other.

I think that if we look at things all prayers directed towards others are for the purpose that each person will be properly guided. the reason we pray is much more important than what our words are. Intention is probably one of the greatest keys for our prayers to be answered.

Would I pray for a non-Muslim to have good health so that he can attack Islam? NO.

Would I pray for a non-Muslim to have good health so that he may be guided to truth? YES


Both are essentialy the same prayer, yet totaly different intent.

So if I look at things I keep finding more and more prayers that appear to be written to show us specific times and events we may or even should pray for non-Muslims. Off Course all of these prayers are said with the intent that they may be guided. Sometimes other issues are part of guidance ie: Good health, prosperity, Happiness, Comfort in time of grief etc.

It is pointless for us to pray for a deceased non-Muslim as the book is already sealed and our words are of no use.
But, if a person is still alive and has not blatantly refused to accept guidance, perhaps prayers are good, if said with the proper intent.

This seems to be circulating and I have yet to find any scholar or Imam to refute it:

My points are just my views and it would be wise for a person to verify things on their own. Astagfirullah

That's an interesting concept, and one I will have to think about ...

Do we pray for God's intervention in non-believers' lives, because we have specific intentions for them?
I am not sure ...
Is it not for God to work his will in people's lives, rather than our will?

I believe Jesus' instruction to us (according to the gospels) was to love, pray and care for our neighbours (and that includes our 'enemies'), regardless of their attitudes towards us ...
I am trying to think your statement through with an example:

Imagine you have two non-Muslim neighbours. Neighbour A is positive towards Islam, and you hope may convert at some point in his life. Neighbour B is negative towards Islam, involved in anti-Islamic campaigns, and - in your mind - unlikely to ever consider Islam.

Imagine both fall ill with a serious illness ... would you only pray for A, but nor for B??
I cannot imagine that!

Equally, imagine both are drowning in the river, and it is within your ability to save both. Would you only save A, but not B?
I don't think you would.

On that basis, should we not pray for and help people in all circumstance, no matter who they are and what they do and how they act towards you? Who knows what plans God has for any of those people!

I like your peace prayer.
Perhaps I can share one of my favourite prayers here. It is said to have been written by Francis of Assisi. I don't think it will offend anybody, and I hope it can remain in this thread:
Peace

Peace Glo,

People such as myself often get too tangled up in academics and forget that Allah(swt) has really given very easy instructions.

When a very lovely thread with very good intention becomes a subject of debate, something is wrong with the way some of us are expressing our thoughts.

Let us all be guided to Allah's(swt) will. Everything else is simply our own opinions.

I apologize for my part in making a simple thread complex.

The simple overall fact is we all want the best for all of mankind and pray that the will of God(swt) will be done. May all of our prayers always be pleasing to God(swt).

No, no, it wasn't you, Woodrow.
I think it was me confusing this thread with additional questions.
I am still not quite sure about the answers I have received, but I don't think it matters.

We can certainly agree to that ... and perhaps we can close the thread with that?

Peace to you, Woodrow.
And my apologies if I have gone too far in my debate.

I have a question before this gets closed!!!!!!!!!


What if a non-muslim asks for dua to be given for a muslim family??? Does that make a difference?

I believe that would be a very lovely gesture.

Several thoughts have occured to me since posting last. (I hope I am not repeating myself, but this thread and this topic has really been on my heart and my mind today):

If we choose to pray for some people, but not for others, do we not make a choice as to who we believe to be worthy of God's love, care and intervention?

By doing so, are we not being prideful and putting ourselves above God's judgement???

In conclusion, should we then not pray for everybody and anybody, and leave it to God to decide what action he will take?

On a more human note I would like to add that by offering to pray for somebody, we are also making a human connection: we are saying 'I care for you', 'I wish you well', 'You are worth my time and my prayer'.
Although those things can be said in other ways, that in itself is a very meaningful gesture, and perhaps should be another reason for us to offer and accept each others prayers ...

peace

i thought it was only forbidden to pray for non-muslims once they are dead?
this is cool - where does it come from?

Interesting thread - thought I'd pop in and say Hi.
I see what you are saying. Difficult to give a straight answer to it though.

Ah interesting perspective - I never thought of it like that.

I'm sure Muslims are allowed to pray for others' guidance so technically we are allowed to pray for everyone.

Now that was genuinely awesome. I wish others shared that way of thinking.

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