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| Abdullah Muhammad Status: Offline Posts: 11,205 Reputation: 58244 Rep Power: 99 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minnesota Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Eric, one thing you will find is history books are very selective about what "facts" are preserved as "truth". To find the whole story you need to read from more then one source and from different perspectives. for example my ancestors the Taters of Lithuania (The Golden Horde of the Mongols) are viewed as blood thirsty Muslims who conquered eastern Europe to spread Islam. But the facts are my ancestors were blood thirsty pagans who conquered out of self greed and not in the name of Islam, it was after they had conquered Eastern Europe that they found Islam and became a peaceful and welcome presence in those countries. It was vicious crusades from england and Germany that came and attacked forcing my ancestors into Christianity. all of the stories you have heard about Muslim conquests, you will hear my people telling about the Christian Crusaders and what they did to the Lietuva Lipka.
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who will go to Hell and who are not is Only Allah (swt) decision and after all we enter Paradise only with HIS MERCY, but what Allah (swt) said in Quran is that Only ISLAM religion will be accepted, and Islam is the religion that all Prophets including Jesus and Moses may peace be upon them all called for it! as ISLAM means Submit to the WILL of ALLAH (swt), you will not find in bible Jesus saying your religion is Christianity even Judaism is coming from the name of tribe! Quote:
You can find Quran is the only book that gives right to slaves, beside giving gradual solution to this social problem at that time! And I dont know what you mean by sexualy!? Quote:
Each group from what you mentioned facing different enemy and different situation, so we cannot give one opinion on all of them, when there will be Islamic Caliphate then we will have one Opinion that expresses the opinion of all Muslims! May Allah (swt) guide us all! Peace Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. Holy Qur'an 16:125 | |||
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| Yes I am Grouchy! Status: Offline Posts: 7,839 Reputation: 52606 Rep Power: 87 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the Rictus of Revenge Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I don't know why I find myself losing my enthusiasm to replying to some of these Q's.. I suppose simply because the easiest thing to do is pick up a Quran and read it? Some doubts would be reconciled in the least by chapter two?
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 243 Reputation: 1464 Rep Power: 12 Join Date: Feb 2007 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Welcome Eric to the forum , peace upon you. Your questions are varied but there is just one I want to address and that is slavery in Islam. I read an article on it months ago that was absolutely excellent but unfortunately I can't find it. I did however find this http://www.submission.org/islam/slavery.html which is a good article but not as in depth as the one i wanted to give you. Anyway ,with regard to slavery, slaves are mentioned here and there in the Quran, but rather as servants than slaves. Slavery was prevalent in society before Islam was revealed. One thing I want you to think about really is that if Allah swt had decided to forbid people to have slaves/servants then what would have happened to all those people? They would have been out of work , homeless , etc etc. This always brings to mind to me the war in America to free the slaves, I remember studying it in school and how unhappy a lot of the slaves were to be 'freed'. An awful lot of them didnt want to be 'freed' as their home and livelihood and welfare was provided for by their 'masters'. So in light of the fact that it may have caused more immediate harm than good to forbid slavery in one foul swoop instead Allah swt in His wisdom devised many roads to freeing slaves or treating them kindly if they were to be kept. Islam encouraged Muslims to treat servants as equals, to not expect of them what you would not be prepared to do yourself, to eat with them, to treat them as brothers. Here is a link to some Hadith encouraging the freedom of slaves by Muslims that the Prophet (peace upon him) used to preach: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...i/046.sbt.html And here is another simple example of the way the people were asked to treat servants: Volume 7, Book 65, Number 370: Narrated .Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When your servant brings your food to you, if you do not ask him to join you, then at least ask him to take one or two handfuls, for he has suffered from its heat (while cooking it) and has taken pains to cook it nicely." Do you know of any other society where a slave was allowed to eat from the meal of the master of the house? Islam revolutionised the way slaves were to be treated. |
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| Seeking Truth Status: Offline Posts: 152 Reputation: 1016 Rep Power: 9 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New York City, USA Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Peace be unto you brother Eric, 1) Allah does mention in the Quran that Christians and Jews are people of the book (Gospel and Torah). Allah sent these books with Jesus and Moses(pbut) respectively. These two prophets had a clear message to tell their people to worship and obey God and ONLY God. Nothing else. To worship Him directly and to associate no partners with Him (that inlcudes a son) because God is all mighty and doesn't need anyone to be His partner. He can control the whole universe and everything in it by Himself. Associating partners with Him is a grave sin and those who do so are on the path to eternal demise. Allah knows best. 2) The verses of aggression you speak of apply only in times of war where the Muslims have to fight in SELF DEFENSE and as a last resort. Even so, Allah has set certain limits on fighting and warns us about transgressing these limits. Also if the enemy ceases to fight, then we as Muslims must bring peace to them and end all fighting. As for slavery, I have not seen a verse that says to treat slaves badly or those that are subdued. On the contrary, the Quran promotes uplifting their stature and treating them well. Many verses of the Quran are misinterpreted by the uneducated and its our job as Muslims to tell them the right thing. 3) These extremists groups you speak of are just that: extremists. They have their own political motives and unfortunately they use their own misinterpreted views of the Quran to promote their agenda. Nobody should judge the ways of Islam by these people. The best way to learn about Islam is to look at source, which is the Quran and the sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). I hope brother that you gained some insight to my brief responses. Peace be unto you all. |
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