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| Truth+Justice=Islam Status: Offline Posts: 1,008 Reputation: 7994 Rep Power: 23 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: the soul created by Allah within a body sustained by Allah in his domain Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | No one is born a sinner and the newly born is innocent until they can distinguish between right and wrong. They are accountable for all there actions after Puberty and if they are mentally able to do so therefore the insane are not held accountable.
__________________As for the Prophets(AS) they were all Innocent but capable of making mistakes, they were all trialled and none is perfect. All the Prophets(AS) was perfect in their delivery of the message, but they were Human and capable of making mistakes and their trials are the hardest: Abu Saeed said: “Messenger of Allah, you have a very high fever”. He said: “We are like this: our trials are very hard and our reward is multiplied.” Abu Saeed asked: “Messenger of Allah, which people have the greatest affliction?” He replied: “The Prophets (Pbuh), and then the most pious and righteous. Any one of them may be tested with poverty until he could find nothing more than a robe to cover himself with and he would wear that. Another could be tested with fleas until they almost killed him. They were more pleased with their affliction than any of you may be pleased with gifts.” (Related by Al-Bukhari in Al-Adab Al Mufrad). However whenever A prophet did make mistake, they were quick to repent: "Allah accepts the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards. To them will Allah turn in mercy. Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom" Sura 4:17 Therefore the Prophet are not perfect human beings, however they were the best amongst the people they were with and perfect for delivering the message and chosen by Allah(SWT): Adam's progeny declared: "Our Lord, we bear witness that You are our Lord; we have no otherLord but Allah. Allah raised their father Adam, and he looked at them and saw those of them who were rich and those who were poor, and those who had good forms and those who did not. Adam said: "O Allah! I wish You to make Your servants equal." Allah replied "I love being thanked."Adam saw among the prophets like lamps among his progeny. Ther R those who have knowledge and Kno they have it, The Teacher Ther R those who have knowledge but do not kno they have it, The Gifted Ther R those who do not have knowledge BUT kno they don't have it, The Seeker There R those who don't have knowledge and don't kno that they don't, The Loser |
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| Member Status: Offline Posts: 89 Reputation: 91 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Jan 2008 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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| LI Senior Member Status: Offline Posts: 173 Reputation: 82 Rep Power: 4 Join Date: Jan 2008 Way of Life: Christian | Quote:
Romans 3:23 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Psalm 51:5-6 5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. 6 Surely you desire truth in the inner parts [a] ; you teach [b] me wisdom in the inmost place Does that mean infants who die go to hell? Well let us first start off that according to the Bible at the beginning of creation God made everything perfect. Nothing died before Adam sinned. The world before the Fall was something totally different from what we see today. But after Adam sinned God cursed mankind and gave way to sin suffering and death. Because of sins curse we are born with that nature inclined to sin. So our flesh is nothing good. The heart is deceitfully wicked above all things. Every man is tempted by his own lusts. When we become born again we recieve God's Holy Spirit to live a godly life. Now Paul instructs us in his letters you either live by the sinful nature if the flesh or you live by the fruits of the Holy Spirit. and those who live and guided by the Spirit we inherit the kingdom of God. So God gives us the power to live a nature contrary to the wicked nature of the flesh. But babies or Children are a different case. James 4:17 17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins. Do children know what they do is wrong or not. I dont think so. Jesus assured that little children make it to the kingdom of God. Matthew 18:1-4 1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" 2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. | |
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| RelyingOnlyOnAllaah~ Status: Offline Posts: 12,418 Reputation: 36578 Rep Power: 72 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Jus restin..as a traveller..in the shade of a tree..until I reach my destination = Jannah (Ameen)... Way of Life: Muslim | Quote:
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| Limited Member Status: Offline Posts: 5 Reputation: 5 Rep Power: 0 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Finland Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | I am not a mullah, but few things I would like to point out. All prophets were sinless, YES. How literally we should understand this? They made mistakes, yes. But in front of Allah's eyes they were "sinless". Why? Because they proved faithful, always striving for Allah's cause. They were imperfect, yet, in God's eyes they proved "sinless". In Isaiah it says: "Even if your sins are red, they will be made white like snow - and you shall be sinless" I am not English-speaker so I dont know how it exactly goes, but I think you can find it in your Bible. In the bible, did Christian god approve David after making all those sins ? I think he and many are later called as "sinless" or "faithful" in the new testament. I'm sorry, but I think we are making an elephant of a mosquito fly And missing the original point. One thing is for sure: if Qur'an says so, then it's correct ~Jamal |
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| Member Status: Offline Posts: 53 Reputation: 89 Rep Power: 15 Join Date: Mar 2006 Gender: Way of Life: Muslim | Im a muslim but how can you tell every prophet was sinless? They are humans are they not? Didn't Allah give humans the power of free will? To choose their rights and wrongs for themselves. I believe they did sin because which human hasn't? Its possible that there was no person to follow the prophets around like stalkers documenting every little thing they did wrong. |
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| believ nuthin i say Status: Offline Posts: 3,777 Reputation: 11740 Rep Power: 22 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Hell, you kno that place where there is this big red house, people call it the white house tho. :D Way of Life: Muslim | there was a hadith of rasulallah when he was asking allah to forgive his sins...doesnt that make him have sins? allahu alim if any of the prophets are sinless or not...
__________________My Beautiful Time to Finally be Allowed By Allah (swt) To Leave This Hell is On THURSDAY!!! (the 24th) Whooo!! I LEAVE HELL ON THURSDAY!! To GO TO THE LAND OF THE JANNAH (yemen, and rasullallah (saw) said so) erm.ahem ahem..InshaALLAH |
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