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Default Re: What is the purpose of poetry? - 05-11-2008

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image this ppl. please...

a man is born. he grows up in a way unique to all others. he experiences things diffrently to others. he feels, sees, hears, thinks and does things which noone will ever know about.

then one day he finds a blank piece of paper. he picks up a pen...and begins to write...

all the things noone will ever know are between the lines of his every sentence...every stanza...you just have to know how to read it...

he expresses what is within..and what is within is his soul...

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poetry is something i will never allow to be picked on. lets not ruin it with our silliness.poetry is not haram.
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Default Re: What is the purpose of poetry? - 05-11-2008

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Technically, since it's a 'short saying stating a general truth or piece of advice' -(Oxford definition)

But to me, it's more just a metaphor. To me, proverbs are metaphors that seek to advise rather than just state a general point. So in my opinion, something like 'A rolling stone gathers no moss' is more of a proverb.
Ok I'm just gonna say it's a metaphor then, jazakAllah,

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Default Re: What is the purpose of poetry? - 05-11-2008

'Spread your wings' when said to the audience is it personification? It can't be can it? *waks head on the wall several times* or is it animalification? Omg I think I'm losing it!
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'Spread your wings' when said to the audience is it personification?
No. The audience is already a person or people. Personification is when you give something non-human human characteristics.

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Default Re: What is the purpose of poetry? - 05-11-2008

by the way..simon armitage is great...

its good to be able to associate a face to poems. the fact that he dresess his poetry with his oratory authenticates and adds that extra kick of bias.

i love bias in poetry.

his best poem has got to be 'The Shout'

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No. The audience is already a person or people. Personification is when you give something non-human human characteristics.


Er... it's just a metaphor.

Are you messing about?! Okay if you say so, 3 paragraphs on friggin metaphors it is. JazakAllah.

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Default Re: What is the purpose of poetry? - 05-11-2008

i dno exactly wat ur essay is on bt u cud also also talk abt 'spread ur wings' as 'direct speech' to the audience.

this may be linked to animalisation..if u push ur chances. u'd have to risk making a mess..


upon reading 'spread ur wings', the audience is urged to engage in the practice of this statement. seeing as this is 'direct speech', the term 'your' may be ambraced by the reader, urging them to follow the poets orders, regardless of the fact that they do not have wings. in this way, it may be said that the readers themselves allude to animosity due to the poets direct speech.

along with metaphore, u cud talk abt 'provocative and high modality language. the line 'spread ur wings' is an order or command from the poet. this further portrays the poets authority over the characters in the poem and the realm in which they exist, the readers and also the poem as a whole.

you can connect all this to the purpose of poetry right? something about imagined worlds vs real worlds...and the power struggle all men yearn through...thus the urgency for authority as displayed by the line 'spread ur wings'...

very badly articulated i know. bt its almost 4am here.

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i dno exactly wat ur essay is on bt u cud also also talk abt 'spread ur wings' as 'direct speech' to the audience.

this may be linked to animalisation..if u push ur chances. u'd have to risk making a mess..


upon reading 'spread ur wings', the audience is urged to engage in the practice of this statement. seeing as this is 'direct speech', the term 'your' may be ambraced by the reader, urging them to follow the poets orders, regardless of the fact that they do not have wings. in this way, it may be said that the readers themselves allude to animosity due to the poets direct speech.

along with metaphore, u cud talk abt 'provocative and high modality language. the line 'spread ur wings' is an order or command from the poet. this further portrays the poets authority over the characters in the poem and the realm in which they exist, the readers and also the poem as a whole.

you can connect all this to the purpose of poetry right? something about imagined worlds vs real worlds...and the power struggle all men yearn through...thus the urgency for authority as displayed by the line 'spread ur wings'...

very badly articulated i know. bt its almost 4am here.

hope that helps.
Lol, how did you get all that out of a phrase?

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Lol, how did you get all that out of a phrase?

Well done.
lol...i dnt think this is good for my ego:P

umm..it sort of comes naturally. ive done it too many times. i am a third year literature stdnt

i guess that explains it a bit...

thanks for the compliment. its actually quite easy...

just ask urself...after each line.."how did that make me feel?"...the ask ur self "why?" then ask urself "how did the poet do it?" and "why wud he do such a thing?"...

something like that...remeber that YOU are the audience...just justify the way you feel...

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lol...i dnt think this is good for my ego:P

umm..it sort of comes naturally. ive done it too many times. i am a third year literature stdnt

i guess that explains it a bit...

thanks for the compliment. its actually quite easy...

just ask urself...after each line.."how did that make me feel?"...the ask ur self "why?" then ask urself "how did the poet do it?" and "why wud he do such a thing?"...

something like that...remeber that YOU are the audience...just justify the way you feel...

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you know dem fings where each letter at the beginning of the sentence makes a word what is it called?

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What you're referring to is called an acronym.
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If the words are arranged vertically, as you've written them there, or perhaps as lines of poetry or prose, then it's called an acrostic.

That's different from an acronym, whose precise definition is disputed, but which generally refers to:

a series of initial letters that happen to form a word [E.g.: World Health Organisation = WHO],

or whose initials are later used by people as shorthand for the object or idea itself. [Such as "self-contained underwater breathing apparatus", which is generally known as "scuba" purely because that is what the initials happen to spell out.]

Hope that helps.

Btw, you're the first person I've heard of who didn't like Simon Armitage's poems. I've taught them loads of times and normally they go down really well with students.

You're welcome to ask me for help if you need it, although I can't promise to answer promptly as work keeps me away from the forum most of the time.

In the meantime, here's an excellent site that you should find helpful.

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If the words are arranged vertically, as you've written them there, or perhaps as lines of poetry or prose, then it's called an acrostic.

That's different from an acronym, whose precise definition is disputed, but which generally refers to:

a series of initial letters that happen to form a word [E.g.: World Health Organisation = WHO],

or whose initials are later used by people as shorthand for the object or idea itself. [Such as "self-contained underwater breathing apparatus", which is generally known as "scuba" purely because that is what the initials happen to spell out.]

Hope that helps.

Btw, you're the first person I've heard of who didn't like Simon Armitage's poems. I've taught them loads of times and normally they go down really well with students.

You're welcome to ask me for help if you need it, although I can't promise to answer promptly as work keeps me away from the forum most of the time.

In the meantime, here's an excellent site that you should find helpful.

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It's not an accronym or abbreviation, they are not usually just a word sis Sumeye,

It might be an acrostic,

*does some research*

Oh he has nice poems, it's just I dun like doing work on them Loq,

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