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Bub · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 06-25-2009

I couldnt find it, where? profile, netowrking, setting/ options or subscribed threads?? =S i need 2 getting 2 used 2 this website

liya · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 06-27-2009

thnx 4 sharing beautiful masallah ... true say

**'Abd-al Latif** · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-11-2009

Niqaab

This was written from one niqaabi sister to a non-niqaabi sister to try and help her understand her reasons for wearing Niqaab.

As salaam alaykum,
I know that when ever you have asked me the question why I wear niqaab I fail to explain it. I can only say in most ways I cannot and inshaAllah I will flow with my fingers and give my account of wearing hijab.

In the beginning I didnt understand hijab properly, before converting I understood by covering yourself you could say to someone ” These are the limits you have with me. Dont push it further”. You could keep unwanted attention away. So as a westerner I dressed modestly in western clothing.

Two weeks after converting I realised that by wearing hijab people could then know that I was muslim. I was no longer this white girl walking down a platform at Liverpool Street, with ideas and values anyone could guess. By wearing hijab people knew I was muslim and the values I stood for.

The abaya came two weeks after. It felt like an extension to my hijab. Something that not only helped identify me as a muslim but gave me a greater protection. Where the western clothing lacked in trying to disguise my figure or how skinny I was, the abaya fulfilled the very purpose. I lost myself in the abaya. In loosing myself I found a new freedom. As the fabric flowed with my stride I felt more feminine.

Hijab and abaya, some feel is sufficient. I felt protected, however being white, and wearing hijab and abaya brought me attention. Both from non-muslims and muslims alike. Although I attracted more attention it was a different kind of attention. It wasnt “o my days, shes buff”, it was the astonishment of a white person being muslim. It made people think what on earth did she leave her past for? And for muslims some of them found it hard to understand why, just as equally as the non-muslims, just why I could convert. What good is there in Islam? It doesnt matter who you are. You can still lack knowledge. We are learning from the moment we are born to the time we die.

On converting, I started watching different sisters and how they went about life. A number of these sisters wore the niqaab. Dressed all in black, faces covered. Somehow it all seemed really serene. They all had this peaceful quality about them. It deeply intrigued me. I didnt look to the fiqh opinions or the fatwa of different groups. What attracted me to niqaab was the meaning it gave to those sisters and eventually myself.

Upon talking to a sister that wore it and my interest about it, she gave me my first niqaab, a day I can remember well. This small piece of fabric held so many meanings, so many mixed feelings to those that wore it, and those who would have to ” confront” it. Quite aptly I decided to try it one day upon traveling to uni. There was such a stark contrast from the previous day. I felt anonymous, people actually stared at me less, and I reveled in the freedom. I no longer had to worry about how my face looked, I was able to ditch the makeup, what little I still wore. I could loose those inhibitions, those insecurities I had developed in High School about how I looked and what people thought of me.

It wasnt until a couple of months later from that morning that I decided to start wearing niqaab more while out. I started wearing it to university and whilst out by myself without my parents knowing. They were still getting used to me being muslim, let alone niqaab.

Spiritually I now feel niqaab is my safety blanket. If I loose it I loose it all. Such deep feelings stem from the meaning niqaab now has to me. I mentioned how wearing niqaab I feel anonymous, and this gives me freedom. In a society where so much emphasis is placed on identity and in particular the face, many sisters deem wearing niqaab totally inappropriate. How can those who place so much value on the face cope with the niqaab, a small piece of fabric. A classic hadith that is used in tazkiyah goes along the lines of the Prophet SWS saying ” Travel in the world as if you are a stranger”. The main interpretation being that we should be so far from the dunya that we are a stranger to it. For me by wearing niqaab I become that stranger. I travel through the world detached from it.

There is a barrier between me and the world.

When I walk down the street people give me looks but nothing else. There may be the odd shouted insult and so forth. But these stem from people of little understanding and who feel intimidated by a small piece of inanimate fabric. People who are after passersby attention to sell items dont try to sell me their items. The dunya no longer sells itself to me. I am in my own world and by far it is not the dunya. My world revolves around trying to please my Lord. To try and embody those who surrounded the Prophet SWS. Like the wives of the Prophet SWS who are the best examples for muslimahs. Muslims forget the contribution they gave to Islam yet for them niqaab was fardh, and they got past this.

So here I am saying that I love the niqaab because it isolates me from others. But surely as social human beings it can be lonely?? Another general principle in tazkiyah as well as expressed in many ahadith is that being alone is better than having bad company. And having good company is better than being alone. By wearing niqaab yes I am lonely but I dont have the bad company. Because the bad company is repelled by the niqaab. Those who are able to get past the niqaab, and communicate to me, both muslims and the odd non-muslim have some morals or good qualities to them that make them good company. For the non-muslims they have a perception, an open-mindedness and questioning mind which will inshaAllah lead them down to accepting Islam. I need not explain muslims being good company for them being muslim in the first place gives them these good qualities.

InshaAllah I hope this helps you with trying to understand why I wear it.

Like I said niqaab is what you make of it. If you make it a barrier you will have a barrier. We are our own worst enemies. But if you look past it to what makes a person a person, their experiences, their morals and values, their personality, you will find the true essence of a person. People who are in the dunya are so far removed from their fitrah they have forgotten who they are. They have forgotten what they need and as such they find something missing. They are never able to connect with a person because they focus on everything except that essence. Everything external and not the internal. And of course they miss the most important thing of all. That link with Allah. The relationship between the master and the servant.

I pray that none of what I say here offends or insults. Please forgive me if it does as this was never my intention.

http://tearsofrealisation.wordpress..../09/28/niqaab/

_muslim_ · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-11-2009

Abd-al latif, thanks for sharing that.

Now I wanna use niqab too. But later after high school. I shall try with abaya, insha'llah

bewildred · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-11-2009

Hello y'all,

I've got a question that I really like to be answered. While brothers' clothes have to be above the ankles for the reasons we know, I noticed that the clothes of the women wearing niqab was hanging loose on the ground collecting all kinds of dirt and dust. Would you enlighten me on this difference?

Thanks in advance

S.

Umm ul-Shaheed · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-12-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewildred

Hello y'all,

I've got a question that I really like to be answered. While brothers' clothes have to be above the ankles for the reasons we know, I noticed that the clothes of the women wearing niqab was hanging loose on the ground collecting all kinds of dirt and dust. Would you enlighten me on this difference?

Thanks in advance

S.

what are you saying? that men and women should have the same length hem

alcurad · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-12-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

Spiritually I now feel niqaab is my safety blanket. If I loose it I loose it all...stranger to it. For me by wearing niqaab I become that stranger. I travel through the world detached from it.

There is a barrier between me and the world.

... I am in my own world and by far it is not the dunya...

So here I am saying that I love the niqaab because it isolates me from others. But surely as social human beings it can be lonely?? Another general principle in tazkiyah as well as expressed in many ahadith is that being alone is better than having bad company. And having good company is better than being alone. By wearing niqaab yes I am lonely but I dont have the bad company. Because the bad company is repelled by the niqaab. Those who are able to get past the niqaab, and communicate to me, both muslims and the odd non-muslim have some morals or good qualities to them that make them good company. For the non-muslims they have a perception, an open-mindedness and questioning mind which will inshaAllah lead them down to accepting Islam. I need not explain muslims being good company for them being muslim in the first place gives them these good qualities.

... People who are in the dunya are so far removed from their fitrah they have forgotten who they are.

alright, so, the stuff in the middle sort of explains it, and is quite good, but the underlined portion? is that really a correct sentiment to express: to be detached from the world, to be a stranger etc?

dunno if I'm reading too much, but this seems to be taking things out of context a bit too much, 'this world' is what determines everything in the first place, and Muslims are supposed to be Allah's 'Khalifah' on earth as per the qur'an, that is not achieved by detachment and strangeness as general principles.

bewildred · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-12-2009

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Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed

what are you saying? that men and women should have the same length hem

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5450.

*It was narrated from Abu Dharr that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are three to whom Allaah will not speak on the Day of Resurrection and will not look at them or praise them, and theirs will be a painful torment.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repeated it three times. Abu Dharr said: “May they be doomed and lost; who are they, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said: “The one who lets his garment hang beneath his ankles, the one who reminds others of favours he has done, and the one who sells his product by means of false oaths

I am saying that those who let their clothes below their ankles go to hell. I guess it's not the case for women. Is it a matter of 'awrah or something?

S.

zanjabeela · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-12-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewildred

Hello y'all,

I've got a question that I really like to be answered. While brothers' clothes have to be above the ankles for the reasons we know, I noticed that the clothes of the women wearing niqab was hanging loose on the ground collecting all kinds of dirt and dust. Would you enlighten me on this difference?

Thanks in advance

S.

I don't know that there is sahih daleel to back up what those women do, Allahu 'Alam. But it doesn't really make sense to me, because as the fabric drags through the dirt and dust, it can pick up all kinds of impurities (like bird mess, impure water at the curb, etc.). Wouldn't those impurities cause the clothing to become impure, meaning they would have to remove it in order to pray? I've seen women praying in garments that have been dragged all over town, and...I don't know...it just seems kind of odd.

It would be nice to know why some women do this, although, no matter what they say, I'd still be inclined to keep my abaya to about ankle length.

bewildred · 09:25 AM

Thank you sister zanjabeela. You worded out exactly what I was thinking. I'm so afraid to be misunderstood that I generally use the wrong words,lol.

zanjabeela · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-12-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewildred

Thank you sister zanjabeela. You worded out exactly what I was thinking. I'm so afraid to be misunderstood that I generally use the wrong words,lol.

Awesome, I'm glad that there is at least one other person who gets me (:

And don't worry about being misunderstood--people will just query you till they get what you mean! *hugs*

slave of Allaah · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-12-2009

jazakallah khayr for posting that up

**'Abd-al Latif** · **Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly... -** 07-12-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewildred

Hello y'all,

I've got a question that I really like to be answered. While brothers' clothes have to be above the ankles for the reasons we know, I noticed that the clothes of the women wearing niqab was hanging loose on the ground collecting all kinds of dirt and dust. Would you enlighten me on this difference?

Thanks in advance

S.

Hi bewildred.

This may help:

Quote:

If a woman lengthens her garment by a handspan, it will lead to the garment getting dirty, so how can she pray in it?

Q.My question is referring to an answer which said that the Prophet (saw) allowed women for thir jilbaabs to trail on the floor as so to cover their bodies completely, but if we were to do this would this not collect the dirt and filth that may be present on the ground, therefore if we were to pray would this nullify the prayer?.

A.Praise be to Allaah.

The society of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them all) was extremely keen to protect women and cover their ‘awrahs (parts of the body that are Islamically considered as private parts), and a woman is all ‘awrah, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said. So when a woman goes out she should cover her entire body, even her feet. Hence they used to make a “tail” i.e., a woman would make her garment long so that it would be like a tail behind her, so that nothing of her body would show.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: This is what they did when they went outside the house. But inside the house they did not wear that.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/119

What you have said – may Allaah guide you – about her garment getting dirty, is as nothing in comparison with the idea of protecting women and closing the door to evil and fitnah (temptation) in society.

You should note that the basic principle is that women should stay in their houses, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And stay in your houses”

[al-Ahzaab 33:33]

So women should not go out unless it is necessary.

With regard to what you mention about the clothes getting dirty, and that some impurity (najaasah) may get into them, that is possible. This question was raised at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It was narrated that the umm walad [a concubine who had borne a child to her master] of Ibraaheem ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf said: I used to drag my ‘tail’ (i.e., let my garment drag along the ground) and I would pass through filthy places and clean places. Umm Salamah entered upon me and I asked her about that, and she said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “What comes after it purifies it.” (Narrated by Imam Ahmad, 25949; al-Tirmidhi, 143; Ibn Maajah, 531. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani. See Saheeh Abi Dawood, 369).

See al-Muntaqi Sharh al-Muwatta’ by al-Baaji, 1/65

And Allaah knows best.
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bewildred · 01:32 PM

Awkay, that's exactly the answer I was seeking. Thanks Brother. Jazaka Ellahou khayran.

S.

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I was no longer this white girl walking down a platform at Liverpool Street, with ideas and values anyone could guess. By wearing hijab people knew I was muslim and the values I stood for. The abaya came two weeks after. It felt like an extension to my hijab. Something that not only helped identify me as a muslim but gave me a greater protection. Where the western clothing lacked in trying to disguise my figure or how skinny I was, the abaya fulfilled the very purpose. I lost myself in the abaya. In loosing myself I found a new freedom. As the fabric flowed with my stride I felt more feminine. Hijab and abaya, some feel is sufficient. I felt protected, however being white, and wearing hijab and abaya brought me attention. Both from non-muslims and muslims alike. Although I attracted more attention it was a different kind of attention. It wasnt “o my days, shes buff”, it was the astonishment of a white person being muslim. It made people think what on earth did she leave her past for? And for muslims some of them found it hard to understand why, just as equally as the non-muslims, just why I could convert. What good is there in Islam? It doesnt matter who you are. You can still lack knowledge. We are learning from the moment we are born to the time we die. On converting, I started watching different sisters and how they went about life. A number of these sisters wore the niqaab. Dressed all in black, faces covered. Somehow it all seemed really serene. They all had this peaceful quality about them. It deeply intrigued me. I didnt look to the fiqh opinions or the fatwa of different groups. What attracted me to niqaab was the meaning it gave to those sisters and eventually myself. Upon talking to a sister that wore it and my interest about it, she gave me my first niqaab, a day I can remember well. This small piece of fabric held so many meanings, so many mixed feelings to those that wore it, and those who would have to ” confront” it. Quite aptly I decided to try it one day upon traveling to uni. There was such a stark contrast from the previous day. I felt anonymous, people actually stared at me less, and I reveled in the freedom. I no longer had to worry about how my face looked, I was able to ditch the makeup, what little I still wore. I could loose those inhibitions, those insecurities I had developed in High School about how I looked and what people thought of me. It wasnt until a couple of months later from that morning that I decided to start wearing niqaab more while out. I started wearing it to university and whilst out by myself without my parents knowing. They were still getting used to me being muslim, let alone niqaab. Spiritually I now feel niqaab is my safety blanket. If I loose it I loose it all. Such deep feelings stem from the meaning niqaab now has to me. I mentioned how wearing niqaab I feel anonymous, and this gives me freedom. In a society where so much emphasis is placed on identity and in particular the face, many sisters deem wearing niqaab totally inappropriate. How can those who place so much value on the face cope with the niqaab, a small piece of fabric. A classic hadith that is used in tazkiyah goes along the lines of the Prophet SWS saying ” Travel in the world as if you are a stranger”. The main interpretation being that we should be so far from the dunya that we are a stranger to it. For me by wearing niqaab I become that stranger. I travel through the world detached from it. There is a barrier between me and the world. When I walk down the street people give me looks but nothing else. There may be the odd shouted insult and so forth. But these stem from people of little understanding and who feel intimidated by a small piece of inanimate fabric. People who are after passersby attention to sell items dont try to sell me their items. The dunya no longer sells itself to me. I am in my own world and by far it is not the dunya. My world revolves around trying to please my Lord. To try and embody those who surrounded the Prophet SWS. Like the wives of the Prophet SWS who are the best examples for muslimahs. Muslims forget the contribution they gave to Islam yet for them niqaab was fardh, and they got past this. So here I am saying that I love the niqaab because it isolates me from others. But surely as social human beings it can be lonely?? Another general principle in tazkiyah as well as expressed in many ahadith is that being alone is better than having bad company. And having good company is better than being alone. By wearing niqaab yes I am lonely but I dont have the bad company. Because the bad company is repelled by the niqaab. Those who are able to get past the niqaab, and communicate to me, both muslims and the odd non-muslim have some morals or good qualities to them that make them good company. For the non-muslims they have a perception, an open-mindedness and questioning mind which will inshaAllah lead them down to accepting Islam. I need not explain muslims being good company for them being muslim in the first place gives them these good qualities. InshaAllah I hope this helps you with trying to understand why I wear it. Like I said niqaab is what you make of it. If you make it a barrier you will have a barrier. We are our own worst enemies. But if you look past it to what makes a person a person, their experiences, their morals and values, their personality, you will find the true essence of a person. People who are in the dunya are so far removed from their fitrah they have forgotten who they are. They have forgotten what they need and as such they find something missing. They are never able to connect with a person because they focus on everything except that essence. Everything external and not the internal. And of course they miss the most important thing of all. 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